December 3, 2011

UEFA Champions League, MD 6

Another talent now joining the UEFA CL roster: Ovidiu Alin Hategan (ROU)




Finally found: the CL line-up music !




06/07 December 2011



Group E, Stamford Bridge, 20:45

CHELSEA – VALENCIA CF

Referee
Gianluca Rocchi (ITA)
Assistant Referees
Cristiano Copelli (ITA), Luca Maggiani (ITA)

Additional Assistant Referees
Andrea de Marco (ITA), Mauro Bergonzi (ITA)

4th Official
Paolo Silvio Mazzoleni (ITA)

UEFA Referee Observer
Horst Brummeier (AUT)

Blog Referee Observer
Alberto (ESP)

Group E, Cristal Arena, 20:45

GENK – BAYER LEVERKUSEN

Referee
Paolo Tagliavento (ITA)
Assistant Referees
Elenito di Liberatore (ITA), Massimiliano Grilli (ITA)

Additional Assistant Referees
Daniele Orsato (ITA), Luca Banti (ITA)

4th Official
Paolo Valeri (ITA)

UEFA Referee Observer
Peter Mikkelsen (DEN)

Blog Referee Observer
Phil Clayton (ENG)

Group F, Signal Iduna Park, 20:45

BORUSSIA DORTMUND – OLYMPIQUE MARSEILLE

Referee
Howard Webb (ENG)
Assistant Referees
Stephen Child (ENG), Simon Beck (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referees
Stuart Attwell (ENG), Michael Oliver (ENG)

4th Official
Mike Dean (ENG)

UEFA Referee Observer
Alfredo Trentalange (ITA)

Blog Referee Observer
Niclas E (GER)


Group F, G. Karaiskakis St., 20:45

OLYMPIACOS – ARSENAL

Referee
Alberto Undiano Mallenco (ESP)
Assistant Referees
Fermin Martínez Ibáñez, Jesús Calvo Guadamuro (ESP)

Additional Assistant Referees
César Muñiz Fernández, Alfonso Alvarez Izquierdo (ESP)

4th Official
Miguel Angel Pérez Lasa (ESP)

UEFA Referee Observer
Bo Karlsson (SWE)

Blog Referee Observer
Edward A. (GRE)


Group G, Estádio do Dragao, 20:45

PORTO – ZENIT

Referee
Carlos Velasco Carballo (ESP)
Assistant Referees
Roberto Alonso Fernández, Juan Yuste Jiménez (ESP)

Additional Assistant Referees
Fernando Teixeira Vitienes, Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)

4th Official
Eduardo Iturralde González (ESP)

UEFA Referee Observer
Lászlo Vágner (HUN)

Blog Referee Observer
Filipe Taveira (POR)


Group G, GSP Stadium, 20:45

APOEL – Shakhtar Donezk

Referee
Ovidiu Alin Hategan (ROU)
Assistant Referees
Zoltán Székely (ROU), Octavian Sovre (ROU)

Additional Assistant Referees
Alexandru Tudor (ROU), István Kovács (ROU)

4th Official
Sebastian Coltescu (ROU)

UEFA Referee Observer
Kaj Natri (FIN)

Blog Referee Observer
Phil Clayton (ENG)

Group H, Camp Nou, 20:45

BARCELONA – BATE

Referee
William Collum (SCO)
Assistant Referees
George Drummond (SCO), Martin Cryans (SCO)

Additional Assistant Referees
Alan Muir (SCO), Robert Madden (SCO)

4th Official
Iain Brines (SCO)

UEFA Referee Observer
Vladimir Antonov (MDA)

Blog Referee Observer
Niclas E (GER)


Group H, Eden, 20:45

PLZEN – MILAN

Referee
István Vad (HUN)
Assistant Referees
Györgyi Ring (HUN), Robert Kispál (HUN)

Additional Assistant Referees
Mihaly Fabian (HUN), Sandor Andó-Szabó (HUN)

4th Official
Tamás Bognar (HUN)

UEFA Referee Observer
Jörn West Larsen (DEN)

Blog Referee Observer
Chefren (ITA)

Group A, Etihad Stadium, 20:45

MANCHESTER CITY – BAYERN MÜNCHEN

Referee
Stéphane Lannoy (FRA)
Assistant Referees
Eric Dansault (FRA), Frédéric Cano (FRA)

Additional Assistant Referees
Ruddy Buquet (FRA), Fredy Fautrel (FRA)

4th Official
Hervé Piccirillo (FRA)

UEFA Referee Observer
Zdravko Jokic (SRB)

Blog Referee Observer
Niclas E (GER)

Group A, El Madrigal, 20:45

VILLARREAL – NAPOLI

Referee
Svein Oddvar Moen (NOR)
Assistant Referees
Kim Thomas Haglund (NOR), Frank Andas (NOR)

Additional Assistant Referees
Ken Henry Johnsen (NOR), Brage Sandmoen (NOR)

4th Official
Tommy Skjerven (NOR)

UEFA Referee Observer
Sándor Piller (HUN)

Blog Referee Observer
Chefren (ITA)

Group B, Metropole, 20:45

LILLE – TRABZONSPOR

Referee
Pedro Proenca (POR)
Assistant Referees
Tiago Trigo (POR), Ricardo Santos (POR)

Additional Assistant Referees
Joao Capela (POR), Joao Ferreira (POR)

4th Official
Hugo Miguel (POR)

UEFA Referee Observer
Kyros Vassaras (GRE)

Blog Referee Observer
Phil Clayton (ENG)

Group B, Giuseppe Meazza, 20:45

INTERNAZIONALE – CSKA MOSKVA

Referee
David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
Assistant Referees
Raúl Cabañero Martínez, Roberto Díaz Pérez-del Palomar (ESP)

Additional Assistant Referees
Antonio Mateu Lahoz, Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)

4th Official
Javier Turienzo Alvarez (ESP)

UEFA Referee Observer
Johannes Reijgwart (NED)

Blog Referee Observer
Filipe Taveira (POR)

Group C, St.-Jakob-Park, 20:45

BASEL – MANCHESTER UNITED

Referee
Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referees
Sander van Roekel (NED), Erwin E.J. Zeinstra (NED)

Additional Assistant Referees
Bas Nijhuis (NED), Richard Liesveld (NED)

4th Official
Eric Braamhaar (NED)

UEFA Referee Observer
William Young (SCO)

Blog Referee Observer
Carlos Salcedo (COL)

Group C, Estádio da Luz, 20:45

BENFICA – OTELUL

Referee
Manuel Gräfe (GER)
Assistant Referees
Markus Häcker (GER), Guido Kleve (GER)

Additional Assistant Referees
Christian Dingert (GER), Tobias Welz (GER)

4th Official
Robert Hartmann (GER)

UEFA Referee Observer
Jaap Uilenberg (NED)

Blog Referee Observer
TBD

Group D, Maksimir, 20:45

DINAMO ZAGREB – LYON

Referee
Mark Clattenburg (ENG)
Assistant Referees
Michael Mullarkey (ENG), Peter Kirkup (ENG)

Additional Assistant Referees
Kevin Friend (ENG), Andre Marriner (ENG)

4th Official
Lee Probert (ENG)

UEFA Referee Observer
Dr. Vaclav Krondl (CZE)

Blog Referee Observer
Dino (CRO)

Group H, Amsterdam ArenA, 20:45

AJAX – REAL MADRID

Referee
Manuel Jorge de Sousa (POR)
Assistant Referees
Bertino Míranda (POR), Joao Santos (POR)

Additional Assistant Referees
Artur Soares Dias (POR), Carlos Xistra (POR)

4th Official
Rui Costa (POR)

UEFA Referee Observer
Eugen Strigel (GER)

Blog Referee Observer
Phil Clayton (ENG)


103 Comments:

  1. Hello Niclas,

    I will watch for sure Villarreal - Napoli on wednesday, I'm not sure about Milan on tuesday, however appoint me, I'll try to download the match from the web.
    Ok?
    Thanks

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  2. I'll watch Dinamo-Lyon so you can appoint me.

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  3. Ok thanks a lot.
    @ Dino: I am going to ask Dave whether you can become a full reporter at WR. But two things are unclear / have to be ensured:

    1. He asked me some time why you had two accounts at WR.

    2. If you are a reporter, you should leave out the accents on the "c" which probably are necessary for Croatian but which cannot be read by the WR system.

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  4. If he means on croref and croref.blogspot.com accounts, we are different person, I don't know who croref is. My account is croref.blogspot.com.

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  5. Ah ok, good to know that.

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  6. Hi Niclas

    I have been viewing the site for a while, and am interested in becoming an observer, but would need it explained what to do.

    If possible, drop me an email phil.clayton@yahoo.com and let me know what to do

    Phil

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  7. Hey Phil,

    Very nice to hear that.
    I am going to write you a mail very soon.

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  8. sorry.....realised my email adress is phil.clayton12@yahoo.com

    OOOPS!!!

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  9. :D haha, yes, my mail server has already told me that this adress did not exist..

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  10. Webb is appointed for Dortmund-Marseille even Arsenal is in the same group.

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  11. That is no problem to my mind. Arsenal is through.
    Hence, I expect Proenca in Basel-ManU as well..

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  12. Anonymous4/12/11 11:29

    It's because Arsenal is already sure to end the groop at first place.

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  13. The same counts for Benfica. Why should not one appoint Proenca for Basel-ManU?

    Moreover, it would also be no problem to appoint Gräfe for Villarreal-Napoli.

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  14. Do u have also problems with UEFA matchcentre?
    The website is extremely slow this morning..

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  15. Tagliavento and Rocchi were expected appointmens. Very important match for Rocchi, maybe a bit less for Tagliavento. Leverkusen should win easily.
    Chelsea, instead, has big problems.
    On wednesday matches we will have: Proença, De Sousa, Borbalan.
    Moreover, I think we will see Lannoy, Moean and (I hope it for him) Nikolaev...

    Yes Niclas, some match-centres don't work.

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  16. My updated predictions:

    City-Bayern: Moen
    Villarreal-Napoli: Gräfe
    Lille-Trabzonspor: Thomson
    Inter-CSKA: Fernández Borbalán
    Basel-ManU: Kuipers
    Benfica-Otelul: Nikolaev
    Dinamo-Lyon: de Sousa
    Ajax-Real: Proenca

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  17. (perhaps Studer will get Benfica-Otelul (?))

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  18. I believe Clattenburg and Kuipers will get their matches. It realy hope Guimenny will get a match, he deserves it.

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  19. Clattenburg could have Benfica-Otelul, but it would be not enough for this great referee.
    Gumienny, I do not know whether he deserves it, he did not show convincing perfomances, but it is hard to give up a human who was in charge of 3 CL matches last season. For Collum, the same counts. Good CL matches last year and now? Basel-Otelul and Barca-BATE...but he has enough time to develop.

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  20. Mazic for Benfica - Otelul? :)

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  21. We know that these names are in the matches:
    Proenca, de Sousa, Gräfe, Fernández Borbalán

    It is hard to imagine that Moen, Kuipers and Thomson remain with their two matches

    1 slot remaining.
    A newcomer? Does Nikolaev remain with his one match? Lannoy was not good enough in his previous match..

    Difficult.

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  22. by the way, I do not think Clattenburg will be appointed for Wednesday.
    Child and Beck along with Webb...

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  23. F. Taveira4/12/11 13:21

    Hi,

    I will get Porto-Zenit and Inter-CSKA...
    ;)

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  24. Anonymous4/12/11 13:45

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  25. Eriksson got 4 matches, Anonymous, so we think that also other referees could reach the fourth appointment. Thomson did well.

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  26. Benquerenca is injured!!!!!
    Someone has to replace him!!!!!
    Comment as usual deleted!!!!!

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  27. Sousa replaces Benquerença.
    And Eriksson has got 4 matches because of Strombergsson was injured

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  28. Nursery schoon or playgroup, Mr !!! ?
    Bugger off from this blog..

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  29. Referee Carlos Velasco Carballo (ESP)
    Assistant referees Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP), Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
    Additional assistant refereesFernando Teixeira Vitienes (ESP), Javier Estrada Fernandez (ESP)
    Fourth official Eduardo Iturralde González (ESP)
    UEFA Delegate Bernd Barutta (GER)
    UEFA Referee observer László Vagner (HUN)

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  30. Anonymous4/12/11 22:18

    Hi Suricate,

    i didn't know where to pose my question, so I decided to do it here.

    Concerning your poll regarding prospective candidates to be advanced this winter: Is Pavel Kralovec - regardless of his excellent performances shown so far - really already allowed to enter the Elite category since he was promoted to Elite Development only this summer?

    Keep in mind Cüneyt Cakir's situation last year, for example.

    Kind regards from Vienna,
    Peter

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  31. Who do people think will be joining the Elite from January??

    We will be losing de Bleekere and Busacca from the list published in June/July, as well as possibly Blom, Duhamel, Mallenco and Meier through performance.

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  32. Anonymous5/12/11 01:08

    Hi Phil,

    I would expect Massimo Busacca and Frank De Bleeckere to be replaced by Mark Clattenburg and Paolo Tagliavento as well as Manuel Gräfe ousting Florian Meyer from the Elite category.

    Considering the number of FIFA and UEFA matches refereed this year, I hoped that our Robert Schörgenhofer could be promoted, too, but I am not sure about that any more after Plzen - Barcelona.

    I have to admit, however, that especially Kevin Blom and Laurent Duhamel seem to be in danger of losing their Elite status meaning that some of the current Elite Development referees could still make a career move.

    Kind regards from Vienna,
    Peter

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  34. Blom, Nikolaev, Busacca, de Bleeckere, Duhamel, Lannoy out from Elite

    Kralovec, Clattenburg to Elite

    Einwaller, Gumienny, Chapron, Kelly, Johannesson out from Elite Development

    Strahonja, Fernandez Borbalan, Gautier, Koukoulakis, Vad, Banti, Damato, Nijhuis, Hagen, de Sousa, Hategan, Mazic, Yildirim to Elite Development

    These are only my "decisions". I know, that they are brave, but Collina will decide. Maybe UEFA will do new categories?

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  35. Hmm..
    My candidates are, even though I hate publishing "demotions"..

    PROMOTION TO ELITE:
    Pavel Kralovec (simply too good for development)
    Paolo Tagliavento
    Mark Clattenburg
    Manuel Gräfe

    DEMOTION:
    Florian Meyer
    FdB
    Busacca
    Kevin Blom

    I said I think 4 times Duhamel would be demoted the next time, and nothing happened...

    DEMOTION DEV:
    - Serge Gumienny
    - Stefan Johannesson
    - Thomas Einwaller
    - not sure about Collum and Kelly, I would leave both in the group = 3 demotions

    PROMOTION TO DEV
    - Tom Hagen
    - István Vad
    - Manuel de Sousa or David Fernández Borbalán

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  36. Anonymous5/12/11 11:10

    Hah, Lannoy in City-Bayern, My God, Kuipers in Basel-Man.UTD - expected IMO, Proenca for Lile-Trobzonspor.

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  37. Anonymous5/12/11 11:11

    and Manuel De Sousa in REal-Ajax, very interesting, very interesting

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  38. Indeed. I wonder whether Olegario would have got this match if he had been fit. Remember this Mourinho case..

    Baaaaah, I have no good luck. I observe Man City - Bayern, hope that there will be Moen or someone like him, and what comes? Again Lannoy, i have already had him in his last match which was a disaster..
    Kuipers, Fernández Borbalán and some others as expected, interesting to see Mullarkey and Kirkup joining Clattenburg instead of Webb, an AR change..why? Clattenburg is the future, that is probably the answer.

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  39. Anonymous5/12/11 11:43

    DRAGAN:
    Maybe this is not place to mention this, but we've read that UEFA banned Acquilani, although Wolfgang Stark hadn't shown him second yellow and red card for making foul for penalty on the match Milan-Barcelona. German referee obviously made a mistake showing yellow to Nesta (as I noticed on this blog, but all of you thought that he received it for dissent)..
    So, Niclas, and other, do you think that this mistake could cost Stark place on EURO 2012?

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  40. Welcome back Dragan :D
    Hm. If Brych goes to Euro 2012, that won't be - at least in my opinion - due to a bad Stark, but due to a better Brych.
    I see the problem, I remember that Codjia was suspended after Algeria-Egypt by CAF. Not due to his awful perfomance, but due to the fact that he did not book a player who headbutted him.
    Therefore, we can see that such mistakes (perhaps not directly comparable) can cost a referee that.
    Of course it might have been a mistake to book Nesta instead of Acquilani, but did you google the both??!! They can be twins!
    Naturally, a ref must notice the right player..

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  41. Anonymous5/12/11 11:51

    DRAGAN:
    And something else..
    I read your predictions about promotions and demotions.. Accidently or not, I don't know, but I have impression that you forget Stavrev.. Not because I'm Macedonian, but because of the continuity he shows in his performances in last 2 years, his age, and the fact that he didn't disappoint at all at his CL debut (Barcelona_Plzen), as other candidates from First Cattegory, I think that he could be interesting surprise in January..

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  42. Anonymous5/12/11 11:57

    DRAGAN:
    Of course I understand the Stark's mistake (by the way, he is one of my favourite referees), I know the similarity of both italian players, but I can't understand - why didn't additional referee assistant (Gagelmann, I think) and referee asistant noticed the problem? Everything happened in front of there eyes, in their part of the pitch. Both of them made Stark big headache, and he could be their victim.

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  43. Hm, I do not agree with you at all.
    First of all, I have to emphasize that certainly everyone agrees that István Vad is the one in the 1st group with the largest prospect. The fact that he joined the u20 WC shows that he is considered by FIFA. He showed outstanding perfomances in superb EL matches in the last year and had bad luck in one situation in his CL match.

    Then, Hagen convinced me a lot in this year. The u19 Euro was excellent, his two CL matches as well. Very good style etc.

    Now concerning Stavrev.

    Three aspects:
    1. I have not forgotten him, that has its sense that I left him out (at least IMO) ;)
    2. These is no consistency or continuity shown by him. His u21 Euro was just decent, nothing more. I saw him 6 times now, the first time, it was in Germany-Kazakhstan (?) in Euro qualifiers. Then, some EL matches / CL qualifiers:
    - Hannover-Liège: poor foul detection, about 5 wrong offside flags by his assistant referees
    - Videoton-Graz: he had to correct his assistant referee who oversaw a three metre onside situation
    - Rangers-Maribor: inconsistent card policy and missed penalty, influenced the outcome
    - Barcelona-Plzen: again: foul detection only decent, Krstevski and Kirovski made about 4 decisions wrong, one would have been a goal to Barca.

    What can we conclude? His assistant referees are not good enough for this level, they showed awful perfomances in all the matches I saw from the FYROM team. And that is not my opinion, because it is either a wrong offside decision, or a right.
    He must improve his foul detection which was, e.g. in Hannover, sometimes at the borderline to be ridiculous.
    I know that Stavrev can be considered as young, perhaps promising talent in an area in Europe, where not so many good referees have been pushed until today.
    But please, where is the talent, where is the consistency? Not visible so far, but that does not mean, that he could not improve...

    3. It would not be fair to nominate a referee with many doubtful perfomances and leave someone out who worked very well in all his matches (Hagen, Vad, de Sousa, Strahonja, we have to wait for Hategan..)

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  44. It was not Gagelmann, it was Sippel...we are very content with him here as well :S .........

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  45. a few match reports on Stavrev, of course only the community's opinion, what UEFA thinks, one never knows..:

    http://www.worldreferee.com/site/match.php?refID=716

    http://www.worldreferee.com/site/match.php?refID=716&matchID=43885

    http://www.worldreferee.com/site/match.php?refID=716&matchID=42618

    http://www.worldreferee.com/site/match.php?refID=716&matchID=42168

    http://www.worldreferee.com/site/match.php?refID=716&matchID=42126

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  46. Interesting appointments.
    Lannoy has a fascinating match, even though all depends on what will happen in Villarreal-Napoli, so I think it's more important for Moen.
    However, do you think that Lannoy has still chances for Euro2012?

    I don't understand why there is Graefe for Otelul, this match will be the easiest of the whole Champions League group stage. I would have prefered a new name, with Graefe appointed for a more interesting match.

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  47. Anonymous5/12/11 13:28

    DRAGAN:

    I know very well everything and every link you sent about Stavrev, I didn't even say that he should or must be promoted, I know that he has several anomalities that should correct to be better, but I'm convinced think that all of us here are NOT EXPERTS and sometimes make SUBJECTIVE reports about refereeing (that was one od the reasons I had stopped writing analysis for your blog, and for www.worldreferee.com) and very often they are based on personal likes or animosities against some referees..

    So, I'm not convinced that every and everyone's report or opinions here (including mine) can be evaluated as orthodox true and so close to reality..

    Do you think that UEFA observers gave Stavrev so low marks as you think for GER-KAZ, HAN-LIE, VID-GRA, RAN-MAR, and if that was the case - would have UEFA give him a real chance for CL-debut before Mazic, Koukulakis, Banti, Gil, Studer, or overrated Strombergson.. I don't want to mention Gumienny, Chapron..

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  48. I think Nikolaev is ready to leave Elite.

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  49. Yes, Stavrev is really a good question, because we can do an example: Mazic. Mazic was ready for Champions League, then, what happened? Why not?
    And why Stavrev got his match?
    I really don't know, I didn't see big mistakes from Mazic and his assistants, but maybe you are quite right, DRAGAN, we can observe, write, report, however we aren't so expert to decide these things...

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  50. That is fully true, Dragan.
    That's why I stressed "It is not my opinion". If an assistant referee makes in every match 3 or 4 big offside mistakes (as it happened to Krstevski e.g.), how can UEFA then justify that this assistant referees accompanies a promising referee? There are some crudities in my opinion.
    There are periods when UEFA pushes certain refs a lot, then there are periods when UEFA immediately relegates this referee (Gumienny e.g.)..

    Stavrev himself, without Krstevski and Kirovski, is a promising talent, absolutely. His foul detection is by the way no opinion either, because either there is a contact, or not. When there is no contact, there is no foul...

    But he can improve that. Foul detection is a field where you can improve a lot; Stavrev has great basics, e.g. gestures, calmness, fitness and authortiy as well. His match reading in Barca was by the way good, too.
    Furthermore, we may not forget: he is so young, he has so much time to develop, I hope UEFA gives him the necessary time..

    I agree on the names you mentioned, especially Koukoulakis, Gil and Banti would deserve a CL match next time. There are also some youth tournaments next year..

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  51. and another aspect: I wished UEFA would come back to their former goodness of giving promising referees much time in EL.
    Perhaps they can explain it with the loss of some big names, like Busacca, FdB, Rosetti, Michel in the past and so on..they are forcing refs very heavily.
    I saw Gautier a couple of times before his first CL match. He is an excellent ref. I thought, he could become a better French referee than Lannoy etc, then his first CL, 11 yellows, poor decisions. But it was UEFA's fault, not his..
    Why did not they give him 2 years with 4 or 5 matches each in EL, when he is good, he can have a CL match....that was the procedure Brych underwent - successfully underwent.

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  52. Maybe it is my impression but; Moen is not that much pushed this year on CL level. It seems that he is not passionately considered for Euro. GroupA appoitments for today gives me this clue.

    Peter has asked whether issue/rule with Cakir(at least 1/1,5 year of stay at ED level requirement to be promoted to Elite) is not applicable for Kralovec because he is already regulated from PD to Premier list. I had taken a look in 2008 list, he was still in PD. I believe, Kralovec is a safe bet for promotion.

    Ref. committee is favoring stability in lists. Hence, do not wait sth like a huge bomb imo. Blom, Nikolaev and Johannesson will be demoted while Kralovec and Tagliavento may be promoted.

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  53. One has to wait with Moen.
    He will get his chances.
    Perhaps even in Bucuresti in May 2012...

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  54. There are much hotter candidates for that spot such as Atkinson, Kuipers, Brych ,and even Skomina...

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  55. Kuipers is to my mind rather a candidate for Munich. That naturally depends on the teams' nations in the final/semifinals.
    I have nothing against Felix Brych being in this final :D

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  56. Kyros Vassaras to observe Proença: why?

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  57. Final test before EURO!!!! No other explaination.

    Many strange appointments.

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  58. All Wendesday observers

    Manchester - Bayern: Zdravko Jokic (SRB)
    Villareal - Napoli: Sandor Piller (HUN)
    Inter - Cska: Johannes Reijgwart (NED)
    Lille - Trabzospor: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
    Benfica - Otelul: Jaap Uilenberg (NED)
    Basel - Man U.: William Young (SCO)

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  59. Does Proença still need another test for Euro2012?

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  60. Anonymous6/12/11 04:05

    The fact that a judge is judged from the first CL match, will have no impact on the formation of the final list in 2012.

    Mr. Collina, Dallas and Batta do this job very thoroughly - and referees who are nominated observer usually follow from the members of UEFA committees.All of us here have our wish list, but the reality is something else.
    Here's a question for you to follow the names of candidates for ED class:
    Is it more important to judge an insignificant match in the CL, or, in the decisive match for the placement of the EL and have the observer Kyros Vassaras (Vaslui-Lazio)?It is a trite example!
    Or, before you get plenty of control Manuel Diaz Vega (Kiev-Besiktas)!
    Colleagues from Italy mentioned Mazic judge from Serbia who have watched all the members of UEFA committees except Colin and Fandel 2011.Ali from the beginning, because there was Eugen Strigel, Brummeier, Zuev, Temmink ...This is a top judicial profession. At the end of the game simply looks weight, observer assessments, analysis and to obtain the list.
    Everybody have a fair chance and that Mr. Collina's team done great!Borbalan,De Sousa,Hagen,Strombergsson,Vad,Mazic,Nijhuis,Bezborodov,Stavrev,Rasmussen,Banti,Strahonja,Hategan;Studer,Koukoulakis,ecc...

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  61. The ED group is more or less fixed. Especially from what we saw at CL. IMO Mazic has a chance even though he didn't do CL match. Remember the case of Grafe who went at the old PD without an CL and EL group stage match!!!!
    We have to wait a few days for the final EL appointments. Referees Committee will meet at Nyon at 20-22 December and then we will have the EURO List and the new categories.

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  62. "Is it more important to judge an insignificant match in the CL, or, in the decisive match for the placement of the EL and have the observer Kyros Vassaras (Vaslui-Lazio)?It is a trite example!"

    You are right. What does it mean if a referee manages to referee a Barca match against a team which would be in the 2nd division of one of the bigger football nations (ESP, ENG, GER and so on)?

    I do not understand where the sense is that Uilenberg observes Gräfe in this match. Everything is decided, this match could be referees by a 2nd group ref, and Gräfe gets it with this observer, strange.

    For Proenca, I would not say that he must still show something. I doubt that his perfomance in Croatia was a good reason for a Euro 2012 nomination, but actually, they knew him enough. It is more a chance than a test.

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  63. enjoy the matches tonight!
    I am excited whether Dortmund has luck, they need a 4-0 win. They could manage it, but it is about 0,1%..

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  64. By the way, we may not forget that it is a special evening for Fermin Martínez, his last FIFA match, I think he was by far the best of Undiano's team during the last years.

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  65. Guys, observers from committe does not mean sth unusual. It is quite normal that com. members want to see good refs at stadium. Do not think it in a harsh decisive way (OK/NOK). (Hint: Most probably, Vassaras hasnt observed Proenca before)

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  66. Yes, this could be a reason, too. However, we cannot ignore the coherence between observers and referees (remembering Uilenberg for Bezborodov etc..), especially young refs like Karasev in EL are observed by known names.

    I wonder why Kurt Zuppinger is in the comitee, perhaps he is doing a lot of background work, but he has never observed a referee so far.

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  67. Anonymous6/12/11 20:41

    DRAGAN:
    i found an interesting article about the way of chosing referees for big tournaments (European Championships, or FIFA World Cup), so I think it would be interesting for our "community" here..

    Graham Poll's column in Dailymail is usually very attractive not only for those connected to english refereeing..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2069941/Graham-Poll-Politics-plays-referee-selection-major-championships.html?ITO=1490

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  68. Anonymous6/12/11 20:47

    DRAGAN:
    And another article - about cooperation between officials and their assistant, especially about that WHEN THE ASSISTANT SHOULD, AND WHEN HE SHOULDN'T MAKE DECISION OPPOSITE OR DIFFERENT FROM REFEREES' ONE..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2067000/Graham-Poll-Mike-Jones-expect-return-Old-Trafford.html

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  69. Anonymous6/12/11 21:34

    What happened to Aleksei Nikolaev? Only one match this season. He's been elite for only 12 months, do you think they'll demote him?

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  70. Zuppinger is a Futsal observer!!!

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  71. You can read my report about Vad on worldreferee.

    Furthermore, a news: Nicola Rizzoli will officiate the first match (playoff) in Club World Cup.

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  72. Mallenco was not good. Report to follow at WR.

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  73. I will get Tagliavento and Hategan reports up ASAP, but don't expect them too soon!!!

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  74. Thank you so far for your reports!

    Webb: 7,8
    Hategan: 8,0

    Collum: to be downloaded now..

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  75. Mallenco with your system 5.65.

    One info for the final Matchday of EL.

    Leontios Trattou (CYP) has been appointed at a match (2nd at Group stage).

    Furthermore Kostas Kapitanis (CYP) has been appointed as an observer at Lazio - Sporting.

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  76. Thanks, Edward. Karlsson observed him, so the Euro could be really over for him. But according to our sources and his additional assistant referees, this was clear before the match.
    Trattou was very good in Schalke-Helsinki, I became a fan overnight. Very good piece of refereeing, I do not know why UEFA did not give him more.

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  77. I found Hategan very good. It seems Rosetti has seen some kinds of great talent in this referee correctly.

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  78. Rosetti?
    I am content that they have appointed de Sousa and Hategan. I was afraid of being totally wrong with my last rankings where I put both into B+ group, Hategan is really a big talent, this was clear when I saw him the first time, the problem was the calls in his last EL matches. Today, I hope that Gräfe will do well and that Lannoy will not allow three broken legs again..

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  79. As far as I have read in a news. article which is below, Rosetti has informed Collina about this young guy after Russia-Serbia friendliness.

    http://www.gsp.ro/international/liga-campionilor/hategan-este-pariul-lui-collina-romanul-va-arbitra-un-meci-in-ultima-etapa-din-liga-campionilor-283980.html

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  80. very nice to hear that. But also a bit strange. How can a friendly be a basis for a CL appointment? But he repaid all the trust.

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  82. That's incredible, Lyon scored 7 goals and Ajax lost 0-3, with 2 big mistakes by Joao Santos.
    It seems done on purpose, because Lyon scored the exact number of goal they needed... De Sousa was really unlucky with his assistant. I can imagine what Ajax fans can feel now.
    And UEFA? What about UEFA? Mmhh...

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  83. Take a look here:
    http://img295.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=336409624_1_122_76lo.jpg

    A wink for Gomis by a Zagreb defender after 1-5 goal. UEFA has to open immediatly a dossier!

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  84. Many many questions have to be asked. A thread to the issue of falsification of competition will undoubtly follow.
    Joao Santos ruined the match of de Sousa; de Sousa was good. The goals and dismission of the Croatian in Zagreb were too easy. Zagreb is not less than a shame for every neutral observer's soul and every fan interested in UEFA club football.
    Santos and Miranda heavily decreased their perfomances, Proenca, Trigo and Santos must go to the Euro 2012. No doubt.

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  85. An info off-topic.

    Carlos Clos Gomez has been appointed for EL 6.

    Full team.

    Referee: Carlos Clos Gomez
    Assistants: Javier Aguilar Rodriguez, Luis-Fernando Marco Martinez
    Additional Assistants: David Fernandez Borbalan, Jose-Luis Paradas Romero
    Fourth official: Carlos De Cerro Grande

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  86. About dismission in Zagreb: absolutely correct, Clattenburg made no mistake, Clattenburg just did what referee in Champions League should do. What I want to say: If there was something irregular in Zagreb, Clattenburg was not part of it. It could be possible that Leko intentionaly made those fouls to get red so early. That's why I gave Clattenburg high marks in worldreferee, his performance was very good.

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  87. Moen had a bad performance, maybe I was too generous, giving 6 on calls. However, he didn't influence the score. There was a clear panlety for Napoli, I forgot to write it on report.
    He seemed absent from the pitch, present only with body.

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  88. I agree with everything you said, Dino and Chefren. Lannoy was very good yesterday, what a surprise..
    Thanks for the info, Edward.

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  89. I think Lannoy will be in Ukraine and Poland.
    Moen however will have time to grow up.

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  90. Hmm, it is so difficult...
    Lannoy could be in an advantegeous position due to his experience, but Moen is the better ref

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  91. Michael Koukoulakis with his 3 EL group stage match (14-15 December). Great news.

    Referee: Michael Koukoulakis
    Assistants: Dimitrios Saraidaris, Leonidas Vasiliadis
    Additional Assistants: Anastasios Kakos, Stavros Tritsonis
    Fourth Official: Ilias Spathas

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  92. I think the two Greek referees could get a r32 and/or r16 match.

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  93. Thanks for the large amount of reports.
    Also congrats to Philipp and Alberto for their first reports.
    I hope we can continue the good work in the K.O. stages as well. I am going to publish a plan of observers for the matches when the drawing will have been held.

    @ Filipe: the 0-1 of CSKA was no offside, brilliantly seen by Díaz Pérez-del Palomar.

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  94. Anonymous8/12/11 15:53

    Niclas E, have you got a website for me where I can see the incident on 22nd minute from Villarreal - Napoli? Yellow or red?

    Best regards,

    John

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  95. Yes, I look for a good video..

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  96. starting at 1:05 or something like that.
    The video shows that he is the last man, perhaps, Moen can be protected by saying that the striker was not in full control of the ball, but well..for my taste, it is red.

    http://footyroom.com/villarreal-0-2-napoli-2011-12/

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  97. IMO YC correct, there is no possible DOGSO situation, Graham Poll wrote about these situations, take a look at his column

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  98. what a corrupt bunch.
    No reasons for an investigation, from 3 to 2 suspended matches for Rooney. UEFA, pls do not behave like FIFA!!

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  99. In my opinion, as I wrote in my report, it was a borderline situation. You can give yellow, as well as red. Why? Because Lavezzi is running towards the penalty area, but the distance is really considerable. A referee has to imagine how the action can evolve. On the other hand, a red would not have been wrong, because you can imagine Lavezzi face to face with the goalkeeper... I think it's really hard to be a referee, and these situations are the proofs. You have to decide (well) in a few.

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  100. Graham Poll? Yes, I read a few articles but stopped doing that.
    As I said, the ball must be in full control of the striker. We are on CL level, I actually expect that the Italian player is capable of getting the ball without bigger problems. It is always a close situation, perhaps yellow is right, but there is no certainty. It is interpretation. And my interpretation is: red card, but, ok, I now refuse to say that it was a mistake.

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  101. Having trouble with putting report up, but my marks for de Sousa:

    Control - 8
    Calls - 5
    Neutrality - 7,5
    Style - 8
    Difficulty - 6

    Overall - 7

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  102. Ok thanks a lot so far!

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