March 6, 2012

UEFA Europa League - Round of 16 - 1st leg - Appointments

8 March 2012, 19:00

Metalist Kharkiv - Olympiacos Piraeus
Referee: István Vad (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: Gabor Erös (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: György Ring (HUN)
4th Official: Sandor Andó-Szabó (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Mihaly Fabián (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Tamás Bognar (HUN)
UEFA Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT)

FC Twente - Schalke 04
Referee: Craig Thomson (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Alasdair Ross (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: Graham Chambers (SCO)
4th Official: Robert Madden (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: William Collum (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Steven McLean (SCO)
UEFA Observer: Guy Goethals (BEL)



Sporting - Manchester City
Referee: Carlos Velasco Carballo (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Fermin Martínez Ibáñez (ESP)
4th Official: Javier Turienzo Alvarez (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Carlos Clos Gómez (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
UEFA Observer: Wilfried Heitmann (GER)


8 March, 21:05

Manchester United - Athletic Bilbao
Referee: Florian Meyer (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Holger Henschel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan-Hendrik Salver (GER)
4th Official: Michael Weiner (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Deniz Aytekin (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Markus Wingenbach (GER)
UEFA Observer: Nikolay Levnikov (RUS)

Atlético Madrid - Besiktas
Referee: Jonas Eriksson (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Fredrik Nilsson (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Mathias Klasenius (SWE)
4th Official: Daniel Stalhammar (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Markus Strömbergsson (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Johannesson (SWE)
UEFA Observer: Slawomir Stempniewski (POL)

AZ Alkmaar - Udinese
Referee: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Raúl Cabañero Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Jorge Canelo Prieto (ESP)
4th Official: Ignacio Iglesias Villanueva (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Eduardo Iturralde González (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Observer: James McCluskey (SCO)

Standard Liège - Hannover
Referee: Tony Chapron (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Emmanuel Boisdenghien (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Fredji Harchay (FRA)
4th Official: Alexandre Castro (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Said Ennjimi (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Clément Turpin (FRA)
UEFA Observer: Zoran Petrovic (SRB)

Valencia CF - PSV Eindhoven
Referee: Manuel Gräfe (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Markus Häcker (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Guido Kleve (GER)
4th Official: Peter Sippel (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Christian Dingert (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Tobias Welz (GER)
UEFA Observer: Vítor Melo Pereira (POR)

58 Comments:

  1. Graefe observer:
    Vítor Melo Pereira (POR)

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  2. Unbelievable what Thomson has done.
    Gave red to Schalke's Matip, penalty to Twente.
    It was no foul, player hit himself, it was before the box, Chambers, MCLean and Thomson are blind. We are talking about free view, about a EURO Ref and about a 1/8 final in EL.

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  3. more and more replays are revealing that one can discuss about a slight contact, but it is not visible from several camera angles, one thing is clear, it was before the box. Chambers. 7 metres away. Free View. No idea what the guys have seen.

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  4. petschovschi8/3/12 20:31

    My point of view:
    - 100% foul
    - 100% outside the penalty area
    - I think red card was corect.

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  5. Yes, if he whistles foul, then red is the only choice.
    We have to ask two questions. Was there any contact which resulted in the fact that de Jong hit himself with his foot? If yes, was it a deliberate contact?
    1st answer: perhaps, we cannot be 100% sure. 2nd answer: never. It is hard to avoid a contact if a player crosses your way. I think that the decision is after all unlucky and wrong, but I could live with it if he had seen it correctly that it was clearly 50cm-1m before the box. But that is McLean's and Chambers' fault, especially Chambers'.

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  6. petschovschi8/3/12 20:37

    It was contact between Matip and De Jong. intention or not, foul is foul. Free kick from 17 m and red card. This is my opinion.

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  7. How can you be sure that there is a contact? The Dutch TV director liked this situation, showed it at least 10 times and no camera showed a contact. We can have a guess, yes, but I hope to have a good video soon on youtube.

    By the way, I would be surprised if you whistle EVERY contact apparent, not every contact is a foul, it is also about who provoked a contact, who ran into the path of which player, perhaps a bit like handball situations in this case.

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  8. The next funny card. The ball guys do not give the goalie the ball, de Jong is claiming a yellow, and Thomson naturally follows this "advice".

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  9. Marks for Thomson:
    Control (25%): overall good: 70
    Calls (30%): sovereign for 70 minutes. YC to Hildebrand not reasonable. Penalty call wrong, one may have doubts whether there was any contact at all, if yes, then it must be red. Assistant Referees both with a decent overall performance, but Chambers must see that it was outside the box. Furthermore, Thomson missed an ellbow tackle in Twente's box on Marica, no clear penalty, but a possible one: 40
    Style (25%): 70
    Neutrality (10%): match decisive mistake 30
    Difficulty (10%): 60

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    56,0

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  10. Petschivshi do you think there is a contact?i ve seen it ten times but i cant find anything...

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  11. Sorry petschovschi i meant
    Where do you come from?

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    1. please, guys, I don´t think we want to go on nationalitys (poor argument i think), we can discuss it, yes, but nationality does not matter ;)

      Regards

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  12. Uy mistake by Meyer´s AR1(Henschel), offside goal for Bilbao...

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  13. By the way on Thomsons case, I don´t see any contact, but I don´t think Thomson wanted to give it, he only did what his asistants said to him...

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  15. Correct penalty call by Meyer, he are going to need a very big name for the game in Spain...

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  16. petschovschi8/3/12 23:06

    Twente- Schalke

    During the game there were many replays. After I saw one of those replays I was sure that was contact. I will try to watch again, maybe I was wrong, but honestly during the game I was sure about contact.

    ManUtd- Bilbao

    - Bilbao 2nd goal was offside
    - it was clear penalty at 2-3

    AZ- Udinese

    -my impression was that few seconds before 2nd goal of AZ it was a foul against an Udinese player (there were heavy protests from italian players).

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  17. I did not see ManU - Athletic, but I have already written somewhere that Henschel has always problems with offside.
    I will watch Fernández' performance soon, my proposal for the two "hot" 2nd legs we were discussing about:

    Schalke-Twente: Rizzoli
    Athletic-ManU: Kassai

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    1. Anonymous9/3/12 23:04

      Twelve days ago , UEFA had sent the referees nomination for the Serbian team ( 1/8 final EL ) in the Football Association of Serbia. This means that Dr Mazic tried some of the games next week.

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  18. Have seen the situation now in Old Trafford and I guess Henschel thought the other guy made the shot. Should have been more communication to ensure that he gets the right player.

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  19. Yesterday in the TV studio in Enschede, they showed the situation to two defenders including Matip who were sent off. At first they said they were not sure whether the ref was right, then they saw the situations, stopped talking and had to laugh.
    Sorry, despite of all my passion for Schalke but also for refereeing, this is one of the biggest jokes in this year, I do not know how to protect him, saw a beyong-goal-camera today in the morning which clearly showed that there was no contact at all. So all the three decisions are wrong, foul, red and penalty.

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    1. I would never whistle such a postion. Let's simulate; Player grabbed the ball, and moving steadily ahead of his opponent. Ref. is again too far away from the situation, and it is impossible to see exactly. Then, player in front somehow dug his toe into his own turf (The only thing that he saw was that I believe), and getting straightly on the ground in the direction of 2nd act. It was a really hard whistle, but all wrong I belive.

      However, his AAR&AR would have seen the situation, AAR's angle is much better than Thomson's. I hope he's not Collum :(

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  20. Interview mit Horst Heldt, Schalke manager. He is not that wrong.

    "I don’t know what to say about that. There are three false noses in the pitch, there is a goalline referee, I just don’t know what is his task at all, ergotherapy or something like that. One has seen this scene on TV, he stumbled about his own feet and nobody of those guys sees it, the referee either, that is a catastrophe and it is not fun at all if you have such amateurs in the pitch.
    Please explain to me what the referee’s task is who is standing at the goalline, what is his task?! That is really ---…and they are complaining about us that we are complaining about them, they have no idea at all, a total catastrophe."

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  21. I'm sorry for Thomson and his EURO2012 team, but this is a big mistake. I have watched the replay several times, and I wasn't able to recognize a real contact. It was not a foul, and however, if anything happened, it was clearly out of the area, then no penalty.
    Furthermore, I want to underline Thomson behavior, that was absolutely wrong.
    He immediatly ran towards Matip, showing the red card. I imagine he did it without any consultation with assistants. Why? It was a very important call, the call that decided the match. He could and should have taken more time, to decide. He should have talked to Chamberlain and McLean.
    However, Niclas don't be so sad: you have return match in Schalke Arena and Twente won just 1-0 :)
    Let's wait and see who UEFA will appoint!
    I think that they should take into account this big mistake, to do the appointment.

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    1. Haha let's see, I really hope for Nicola.
      McLean did nothing, I more and more get this impression.
      The funny thing is that UEFA refuses to reject a suspension for Matip. They know the truth but do nothing.
      I am not sorry for Thomson, it is his mistake, his fault, his unprofessionalism. I am sorry for all those who are disappointed, including me, not only because of a single mistake, but due to the fact that 11 guys are working to make their fans be happy (and to make the money flow of course) and then three guys, one of them a euro ref, who gets 5000 Euro for this shit and has no consequences at all.
      I cannot remember another situation in the past where blindness was more visible than yesterday, I tried to protect the referees, but I have seen the "foul" from three different angles now at least 50 times and there is finally no contact.
      De Jong admitted that by the way, WHY NOT IN THE PITCH YOU CHEATER?? No, that would be wrong, it is not a player's responsibility. Heldt nearly had to fear consequences for calling the refs being fools, idiots, dudes and amateurs, but he is 100% right.

      I still do not know whether I should laugh or cry.

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  22. petschovschi9/3/12 13:08

    http://eurorivals.net/fc-twente~schalke-highlights-video-08-03-2012
    Important replay in this video is between 2:58-2:59

    After I watched few times:
    - I can't say anymore that I'm sure 100% that was contact
    - BUT I still believe that was a minor contact (with a gun at my head I would say it was contact). As an immediate consequence of that minor contact De Jong hit himself.

    I don't know how Thompson saw. We need so many replays and still we are not 100% sure about the contact. But a thing is 100% sure: no penalty.

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  23. One is sure Twente's penalty is not.

    There is a situation in Metalist - Olympiakos (Istvan Vad) with a direct red card to Edmar. IMO it is a YC not Red.

    Beside that Istvan Vad had many problems with control and his cards. He should send off Marcano (Olympiakos) and in many occasions at the 1st half he should book 3 Olympiakos players who were playing recklessly.

    My Marks:

    Calls: 6
    Control: 5
    Fitness: 8
    Neutrality: 6
    Match Difficulty: 6

    Final Mark: 6.20

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  24. that does not sound good :S

    Just forgot one thing, the 2:58 situation shows that there might be a MINIMAL contact. Contact, yes, but no foul.
    Have you checked the foul at 1:50? Could have been penalty too.

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    1. petschovschi9/3/12 16:06

      With all my respect I have to say: if it was a contact (I already told that I'm not 100% sure anymore, but I still believe it was) it was foul. I couldn't believe my eyes when I read :"contact,yes, but no foul".
      A minimal contact at that speed is enough to determine a player to fall.

      P.S: I'm from Romania, I'm not fan of Twente or something like this...I just wrote my humble opinion and I still think it was a minimal contact.

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    2. Yes, someone blamed you for being biased, that is not my point of view or even saying.
      I watched the situation again and I cannot detect any foul. It was no deliberate contact, if it existed, both players ran with high pace, the striker crossed the defender's path. What do the others think? Is the slightest contact a foul then? FIFA emphasizes the expressions "careless", "reckless" and "excessive force". Crossed paths are careless? They are unavoidable, mostly they are fouls, yes, but remembering also the incident in Chelsea-Barca with Övrebö and now that yesterday, I do not detect any foul or at least my understanding of a foul is different.

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    3. That is by the way something I hate in the current refereeing. I already said it when talking about goalkeepers' fouls which lead to penalties. One solely focuses on the strikers' rights, no one asks how a contact came into existance, how he was perhaps even provoked, inhowfar e.g. a goalkeeper had any chance to avoid a contact. Of course saying that such contacts are always fouls is the primrose path..

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  26. Niclas i think you are ovwreacting now.You are acting like a Schalke fan...and thats not objective.I think we all agree-expect our friend petschovschi!!!- that it was a huge mistake from Thomphso,but these things happen in football.He thought he saw a contact but unfortunately that was athe player himself who provoked that.Let Uefa decide about that...

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    1. UEFA is not objective either..
      I could say much more, but I better leave it.

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  27. I have a great amount of sympathy for Thompson here, as refereeing is all about angles. He has a bad view to judge how much (if any) contact - although I believe there was none. With that in mind, I believe the AR has to be the only official getting involved with that decision, and was, in my opinion, probably the one that gave the call over the headset. This would also explain the slight delay. Shame, as I thought Thomson was doing really well this season, and might go far at Euros, but now that is unlikely.

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  28. He was good for 50 minutes at least, the overall performance was solid or even good. The previous matches allowed me to hope for a good performance, but then that. I do not think that both A(A)Rs had influence, but nobody knows it. I found it also strange that he had to walk to his AR2 to make it clear whether penalty or not. The whole decision and how it was developed, how the players reacted (Matip AND de Jong) was simply odd.

    UPDATE Schalke have protested against the red card officially at UEFA.

    It is a bit hard for us Schalke fans because more or less the same occured in Bundesliga on last weekend, Freiburg got a penalty for nothing, too, we got a red card which was however ok. And in the roots of every Schalke fan there are still the 2001 incidents, so it is a bit special.

    New topics, there were seven other matches, Vad seems to have been a bit fussy, other impressions?
    Chapron did quite well and gave a correct penalty.

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  29. Niclas, you shouldn't say "Schalke should do: rejecting every official involved in this game for future matches". Yeah, that was a huge triple mistake, but referee is a human. We should forgive him... I think he had a right to think so, it was near penalty, it was hard to see a contact or not, red was OK. My conclusion is the assistant referee or AAR should have said to Craig it wasn't contact, it wasn't a penalty. So, the only problem is a lack of communication and cooperation between refs.

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  30. Ok you are right. However, I more likely think that there was too less communication. Anyway, the result stays the same.

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  31. by the way, when will the Skomina report come?

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    1. In next days. Stay tuned. I downloaded it yesterday and I'll watch it today or tomorrow.

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    2. Take your time, thanks.
      Have downloaded Fernandez match, perhaps on Sunday available.

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  32. Did you see a fantastic goal by Seongnam players?
    Here the link: http://zkarnego.interia.pl/odloty/news-dwie-przewrotki-w-jednej-akcji-gol-jak-z-playstation,nId,448380

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  33. or that one:
    http://zkarnego.interia.pl/wtopy/news-pechowy-bramkarz-przegral-z-matka-natura-co-za-samoboj,nId,436776

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  34. and something funny: :D :D :D
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E1rusziaHc

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  35. Copa Libertadores apps for next week: http://internationalreferee.blogspot.com/2012/03/copa-libertadores-designaciones-semana.html

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  36. Dou you think the AAR experiment is succesful? I heard the declarations in the video and they say "was für eine Aufgabe hat der Linien Schiedsrichter?" "what´s the job of the AAR?" and if we take this into account i think is more what they do wrong as that what they do right, what to you thnik is it a waste of money? or should it continue?

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  37. I hope the polls will find a representative result.
    I personally see only one aspect that is positive: young - perhaps even non-FIFA- referees can collect experiences in the highest leagues of club football. That cannot harm their career. We have seen many good examples of where it worked successfully and many and perhaps even more examples when we rubbed our eyes in disbelief.

    @ Qudamah: nice videos, the poor Maccabi keeper :D :D the strangest own goal ever.

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    1. :D I think that match shouldn't have been played.

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  38. don't understand that wrong, I don't want to make kind of nitpicking, but something was not really in consideration so far which i detected yesterday when I (unvoluntarily) watched the situation again and also the converted penalty and i recognized that two Twente players were in the box by 2 metres each before de Jong touched the ball to score. Just an observation..

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  39. Qatar Stars League (11.03.2012)

    AL GHARAFA SC - AL RAYYAN SC
    Referee: Paolo Tagliavento (ITA)
    Assistants: Marco Alessandroni, Francesco Altomare (ITA)

    AL SADD SC - LEKHWIYA SC
    Referee: Viktor Kassai (HUN)
    Assistants: Tibor Vamos, Vencel Toth (HUN)

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    1. F. Taveira10/3/12 23:18

      also Benquerença will be in Qatar

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    2. Hey Filipe, pls contact me.
      Why does not Qatar believe in its good refs Mohammed, Balideh and Aldosari?

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  40. Is Benquerença back after his injury?
    Do you think he will be appointed by UEFA?

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    1. I personally doubt it. When thinking of who could referee the next UCL matches ( I still believe in Proenca for Bayern, Brych for Inter, Lannoy for Chelsea and Clattenburg for Real), I recognized that there is no place for some refs. UEFA wants to test the EURO officials as often as possible, so why should they give Rocchi, Meyer, Blom or Benquerenca a match?

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    2. we can by the way continue that in the UCL thread.

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  41. Have seen Vad's performance, had many problems, missed clear red card in 75', Eros should have advised him, but the red card in 81' is dark dark red, good call.

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  42. FERNANDEZ BORBALÁN MARK: 6,2 (report to follow soon)
    VAD MARK: 6,5

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