April 1, 2012

UEFA Champions League - QF - Appointments (II)





FC Barcelona
AC Milan
MATCH FACTS: Tuesday, 03 April 2012, 20:45, Camp Nou, Barcelona, Spain
Referee
Björn Kuipers
NED

Assistant Referee 1
Sander van Roekel
NED

Assistant Referee 2
Erwin E.J. Zeinstra
NED

Fourth Official
Bas Nijhuis
NED

Additional Assistant Referee 1
Pol van Boekel
NED

Additional Assistant Referee 2
Richard Liesveld
NED

UEFA Delegate
Jean-François Crucke
BEL

UEFA Referee Observer
Hugh Dallas
SCO










FC Bayern München
Olympique Marseille
MATCH FACTS: Tuesday, 03 April 2012, 20:45, AllianzArena, München, Germany
Referee
Svein Oddvar Moen
NOR

Assistant Referee 1
Kim Thomas Haglund
NOR

Assistant Referee 2
Frank Andås
NOR

Fourth Official
Espen Berntsen
NOR

Additional Assistant Referee 1
Tom Harald Hagen
NOR

Additional Assistant Referee 2
Ken Henry Johnsen
NOR

UEFA Delegate
Sergio Di Cesare
ITA

UEFA Referee Observer
Rodger Gifford
WAL










Svein Oddvar Moen (NOR) (c) ZIMBIO



Real Madrid
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APOEL
MATCH FACTS: Wednesday, 04 April 2012, 20:45, Estádio Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid, Spain
Referee
Gianluca Rocchi
ITA

Assistant Referee 1
Luca Maggiani
ITA

Assistant Referee 2
Elenito di Liberatore
ITA

Fourth Official
Paolo Mazzoleni
ITA

Additional Assistant Referee 1
Mauro Bergonzi
ITA

Additional Assistant Referee 2
Antonio Damato
ITA

UEFA Delegate
Rudolf Repka
CZE

UEFA Referee Observer
Sándor Piller
HUN










Chelsea London
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Benfica
MATCH FACTS: Wednesday, 04 April 2012, 20:45, Stamford Bridge, London, England
Referee
Damir Skomina
SVN

Assistant Referee 1
Primož Arhar
SVN

Assistant Referee 2
Marko Stančin
SVN

Fourth Official
Mitja Žganec
SVN

Additional Assistant Referee 1
Matej Jug
SVN

Additional Assistant Referee 2
Slavko Vinčič
SVN

UEFA Delegate
Teuvo Holopainen
FIN

UEFA Referee Observer
Bo Karlsson
SWE










108 Comments:

  1. So we have now two EURO referees without further CL match. I think Thomson and Lannoy are candidates for that.

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  2. My feeling says:
    semifinals will go to Cakir, Rizzoli, Kassai and Webb, final to Proenca. The remaining semifinals to Skomina and Stark.

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    1. *the remaining quarterfinals of course

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    2. Moen to a 1/4... Thats a very good massage, he has been going steadily up. And, Time for Kuipers...He should show his best. He had so many easy matches this year. This is his highest test. We may see also see a non-EURO referee in Real-APOEL,IMO. Skomina may get a semi then. We dont know UEFA's attitude towards the performance Arsenal-Milan.

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    3. I think Skomina will get a semifinal in EL.
      To my mind, the time is over for non-EURO-refs after Moen's appointment, but let's wait and see how UEFA will again kid us in a few minutes.

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  3. I agree about everything you wrote, less or more. Cakir he has surely already reserved one of the semifinals.
    About other names, we must see Stark in Chelsea-Benfica, is one of his last chance to get a Champions League Knockout-stage appointment. The other match, Real-APOEL, could be assigned to a different name, but probably they will appoint Skomina as you wrote. Some crudities to be reviewed after Arsenal-Milan.
    The names for the other semifinals: Rizzoli, Kassai and Webb.
    Final Proença: I have the same feeling after Schalke - Bilbao, he surely did well in front of Collina, and what is important too, is that he has an excellent assistant referee, Bertino Miranda, which deserves for sure a very important match. And UEFA should also take into account that, because offsides are often a problem.
    Anyway, as I always say, let's wait and see.

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    1. Right. Of course also depends on the final tie. It is a difference if you have Real-Chelsea, Bayern-Barcelona or "el clásico". Proenca in a Spanish duel, would be the opposite to Velasco's EL final last year.
      I cannot imagine that Collina assigns Rizzoli, who also comes from Bologna, in his first really active year as string-puller in UEFA refereeing. This could be an advantage for Proenca, too.

      Onto Bergonzi/Ghiandai, I rather think it was no goal, but who is able evaluate that..

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    2. I suggest to download and watch Inter-Genoa 5-4 with Paolo Valeri on the middle. Take a look and see what happened:
      http://www.livescore.com/default.dll/game?comp=italy1&game=547747

      :D

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    3. UUUh this must have been a superb match. Download will be a good idea :)

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    4. Maybe a superb match to watch, but surely a horror for the defenders of both teams :D
      4 penalties and 2 straight red cards.
      I have doubts about some situations.

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  4. Anonymous1/4/12 12:52

    I would like to ask you something: Was yesterday phantom goal in match Catania:AC Milan
    referee: Mario Bergonzi

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5j0SdZ70fCM/T3gvfclRRKI/AAAAAAAAGQw/d_MUJxDFyt0/s1600/mil_01_672-458_resize.jpg

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  5. Referee: Mauro Bergonzi
    Assistant referee involved: Simone Ghiandai
    very difficult call, I think that probably the ball was not totally beyond the line.
    But finally? We are talking always about the same problem.

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    1. For me it was no goal, Its difficult, and if he was wrong, I would not blame him, human eye is not done for get that kind of details with that velocity...

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    2. Saw the incident on camera and it is no goal. The assistant is correct.

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  6. Roger Gifford is observer at Bayern I believe (Source: Rate the Ref)

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    1. The man from Wales, must have big influences, as he often observes important referees/matches.

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    2. What about Schalke today, Niclas?
      Two penalties, one for each side, and a good referee?

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    3. Nope. Two wrong penalties and a bad, but exciting match. Schalke poor for 50 minutes and then they should have performed a 1-2 or 1-3.

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    4. I see. In fact, today an italian newspaper reports that there were two fake penalties.

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    5. And Orsato? I saw Napoli has lost 0-3.

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    6. Di Liberatore had some problems there, first Juventus goal was offside, but really hard to see, then he missed other two calls.
      About Orsato, maybe he missed a card to Lichtsteiner, he was already booked when he did a dive with a theatrical fall. No second card.
      Correct red to Zuniga in the last minutes.

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  7. Dallas for Kuipers, that's amazing.

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  8. And it is Rocchi, UEFA: I do not understand you.

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  9. Skomina (CHELSEA-BENFICA) and Rocchi (REAL-APOEL)

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  10. As I guessed, Gianluca Rocchi for Real - APOEL.
    This appointment, just because he has to appear in Champions League knock out stage and he is having a not excellent season.
    I think that this is a questionable appointment by UEFA.
    There are many referees who needs to be tested, even though the match is something like Real-APOEL.
    No Stark, a semifinal for him?

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  11. Of course. This was what I hoped, a semifinal without any other CL K.O. appt. Seems to be possible, Chelsea-Barcelona for him, pls. Proenca, Rizzoli, Webb and Kassai must be the other refs.

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  12. However, then there would be no place for Cakir :S
    It is so hard, but then Cakir perhaps rather gets a EL (semi)final.

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    1. He could reach the final in Europa League, Niclas.
      Don't you agree?

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    2. Not really, I hope Cakir gets it.

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    3. UEFA again kept the gate open for purely different alternatives:
      A direct Stark appoitment to CL final? Possible, I think, this year may the last chance for Stark, next year If I have to select a german, that will most probably be Brych.

      Webb,Kassai,Stark,Rizolli to semis and then Proença to final. That could be another reasonable alternative.
      However, then Moen/Rochhi/Taglievento getting 1/4 CLs, but Cakir just a CL R16 ??

      Tomorrow's appoitments may also say too much things....

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  13. Anyway, Skomina should have reached a good mark from the observer, if now he is on the middle for Chelsea-Benfica, a quarterfinal return match.

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    1. I think it must have been a 81 or 82 in UEFA system. Perhaps they want to see him again with regard to determining his EURO perspective and to test him for a Europa League semifinal, or the only reason is Mr Sajn, but I do not think so.
      I cannot imagine that UEFA gives Stark directly the final, it would be a revolution. I only remember de Bleeckere doing so at a FIFA U17 World Cup in Nigeria 2009. Anyway, we must guess that the final will be el clásico. UEFA has to weigh up what they want, despite of all German glasses I wear, Stark is in my opinion the best option for that. It is not the type of match Proenca can be strong in I think, Webb had a final, Rizzoli would be good, too. Sorry UEFA, but I think they have gambled away. Giving Stark no round of 16 match could have created problems.

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    2. 2008: Lubos Michel got the CL final with just UEFA Cup semi finals in knock out stage, so Stark in CL final, possible.

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    3. Oh yes, I forgot that. It would be superb for Stark.

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    4. Somehow it is strange that Stark is the only EURO ref not to appear in either CL 1/8 or 1/4 final, even if they would give him the final. However, I doubt that this will happen. It would be the first time since 1991 (Tullio Lanese in Bari) that UEFA would appoint a referee from the host country for the final of its prime competition. Also considering Stark's involvement in "el clasico" last year.
      Proenca or Rizzoli appear to be more likely candidates.

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    5. Uilenberg gave him one of the highest marks in UEFA system for el clásico..so UEFA theoretically knows that Stark is the perfect man for el clásico. But I remember that I thought days about the final ref of 2010, who would be able to referee Bayern Barca and then, Inter went through by surprise..ok, Olegário did his part, too.

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  14. Shame on me. Stark has a 2nd Liga match today (20:15), so it was actually clear since last Thursday that he will not get any CL match :S

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    1. Do you think so?
      Velasco Carballo last week was appointed, even though having a "La Liga" match on monday evening...

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    2. Yes, but DFB pays more attention to giving its referees enough time to recover than rfef.

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    3. Right, RFEF makes appointments two weeks before. This has not so much sense, sometimes.

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    4. And qhat about the referees performance?
      They are going to make new appointments without criteria. I would like to understand that.

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    5. That has no sense, that is right. I like that DFB (has to make) makes the appts always 2 matches prior to the matchday, but there is not so much criteria either.

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  15. Bo Karlsson for Skomina.
    Really interesting.

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  16. Real - Apoel

    UEFA Delegate Rudolf Repka (CZE)
    UEFA Referee observer Sándor Piller (HUN)

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  17. I believe Stark is being kept for the UCL final, if, of course, Bayern will not change the plans.

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  18. A shocking 2nd penalty by Kuipers for Barca...I may agree with the first, but second could be prevented. He should have urged the players before that corner kick. They were having that pull-outs before the corner...

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    1. He could have warned them but it is Nesta's own responsibilaty to hold him or not. Again he could have warned them but no wrong call in my opinion. He should have given a YC to Nesta, Ambrosini and Xavi in the first half I think. To lenient. - Sander

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    2. Totally agree.
      We see always a referee urging and reproaching players, before a corner. He didn't do it. He whistled immediatly penalty for a not so clear foul. I think that Puyol presence was anyway a problem for Nesta... this penalty is the result of a missed prevention.

      If this is his style, he should always whistle penalty in every corner kick, we never see that kind of penalties.

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    3. First penalty, 100% correct.

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    4. petschovschi3/4/12 22:46

      Unacceptable 2nd penalty for Barca. Nesta started to pull before the corner and imo Kuipers should have urged Nesta !
      There are a lot of situations like that in penalty area during a game. How many times did you see a penalty for a pull like this in this season of CL? Why in this game, why for Barca, why at 1-1.......?

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    5. Yes, you pointed out the whole problem.
      There are now two ways of thinking now: who say that this is penalty, and even though a referee appears harsh, he is in the right to whistle it, without any previous warning before the corner.
      But there are also people who think that if you give this kind of penalty, you have to give many penlties in every match, without talking with players and so on.
      Sometimes we can't look just at the laws of the game, we have also to take into account other things.
      Why now penalty?
      Who will again whistle a penalty like this?
      This is what makes the penalty hard to accept, even though according to the laws, it could also be correct!

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  19. First penalty correct, i doubt aboubt the second one. I think you can give the penalty, players should know that you can't pull like that, even at a corner.

    Foul detection was ok, but his card policy poor. To lenient in the first half. Excellent AR`s!

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  20. Anonymous3/4/12 23:16

    2nd penalty spot on for me.....defenders choice to hold attacker, and nowhere in law does it say to warn players before corner. Should have made it more clear straight away what he had given though!!!

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    1. petschovschi3/4/12 23:46

      1.
      In refereeing, like in law, there is a practice.
      As a referee you should follow the general practice: if you see a pull before a corner (or a free-kick) you should urge the players! This is general practice in football these days and I saw this situation almost in every game!

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      When a referee see a pull in the area before a corner and he doesn't urge the players but he whistle foul immediatly after the corner = BAD WILL
      When a referee doesn't see a pull in the area before a corner= MISTAKE

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    2. UEFA has emphasised in pre-season camp that referees should urge players having that pull-out before corner/freekicks. They showed them by videos how they will seperate the ones that are having those interactions, then urging them. There is an obvious lack of application, IMO.

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  21. Anonymous4/4/12 00:52

    First of all, do you hear somewhere something about application of rules / interpretation / prevention? I think it's correct call by Kuipers, correct in laws, but is it correct in FIFA recommendations, in feel of playing, in highest level of refereeing? I think not. Only rule book is good hint for someone who start his referee's career, but we expect more from international referees...

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  22. I cannot understand you, sorry. Wait for my report.

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    1. Report can be found by following the result 3:1 in the thread above.

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  23. Just to point out one point of criticism, as I will not be able to include it into the report. I did not see a Kuipers with 100% rule book. He smiled, he laughed, he had a good communication with the players and solved the upcoming protests at the 2nd penalty well. So pls, Chefren, you told me I am looking for the perfect referee, what is then going on in this discussion?!

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    1. Now I'm busy, sorry Niclas.
      I'll send a mail later with my point of view... as soon as possible I hope

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  24. It seems that the Additional Assistant Referee made the decision about the second penalty. The UEFA introduced the AARs. For example, they have to look at holding in the box. In this context, the UEFA cannot say that this decision is not correct. It's a clear foul.
    Holding after a taken corner, is a foul. After the corner is taken, you cannot urge the players anymore.

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    1. Fully agree Martin.

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    2. petschovschi4/4/12 10:38

      That holding in the book started before the kick-off. It was obviously on replays.
      I don't want to repeat my entire post but the referee should have urge the players before the corner. This is general practice in football currently.

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  25. petschovschi4/4/12 10:48

    Imho there are too many contoversial decisions for Barca in last years in Champions League:

    Chelsea- Barca 1-1 Ovrebo denied at least 2 penalties for Chelsea

    Barca- Inter 1-0 red card for Thiago Motta in 1st half (maybe you remeber simulation of Busquest)

    Barca- Arsenal 3-1 2nd yellow for Van Persie because he kicked the ball 0,7 seconds after the referee's whistle (when the score was 1-1)

    Real-Barca 0-2 directly red card for Pepe (at 0-0) for a foul at Alves

    Barca- Milan 3-1 very discutable 2nd penalty for Barca

    Why all these controversial decisions are made always in favour of Barca ? All these decisions were taken in very delicate moments for Barca...

    P.S: Barca is the best team in the world, they play nicest football, but please don't help them anymore with such decisions !

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  26. Oh now you are leaving a fair level.
    I could list the same amount of controversial decisions against Barcelona. That does not make sense.
    There was no doubtful penalty yesterday. The decision itself is 100% correct. The referees are no kindergarten educators who must remind every player on his responsibilities before every corner kick. The pulling which was a foul started AFTER the corner kick was taken. Before the corner kick, there was the "customary" pushing which occurs 10 times in the context of a set piece.
    The decision itself is 100% correct, we are discussing about whether it could have been avoided. But pls do not blame Kuipers for a foul that a player committed, that is adventurous.

    And once again. Nesta is playing in CL since I can think. This guy has earned more money with football we will ever see together. He is a professional, he knows exactly what he is doing with his body in the pitch.

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    1. petschovschi4/4/12 11:14

      "I could list the same amount of controversial decisions against Barcelona. That does not make sense"
      Honestly I would be curious to see your list :). But,I repeat, I'm talking about very controversial decisions in very delicate moments for Barca (when Barca was in danger).

      I don't want to argue with you but for me (and for other guys here) it's obviously that pulling started BEFORE the corner kick was taken.
      And my last word about this matter: how many penalties like this did you see in this edition of Champions league?

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    2. Your last sentence is really a bad argument.
      The list? Ok (I take the same matches which you also took + a few others, even though - again - there is no sense..):

      - Chelsea-Barca, red card to Abidal. Solely considered ok, but was there a punishable contact?

      - Inter-Barca: many wrong decisions in favour of Internazionale by Senor Benquerenca, including an offside goal not seen by Bertino Miranda.

      - Barca-Inter (2nd leg): handball whistled by FdB in 90+4, Bojan scored, the goal did not count, but it was no deliberate handball.

      - Arsenal-Barca (1st leg): AR2 Stefani wrongly raised his flag for offside and hence stole Barca a goal (would have been 0-2)

      - Real-Barca (1st leg). Stark could have sent off Adebayor for a ellbow conduct.

      - Barca-Real (2nd leg): FdB refused (more or less) to send off Marcelo for a brutal foul at the corner flag.

      - Barca-Plzen: Stavrev's assistant referees stole Barca two possible goals for wrong offside positions

      - Milan-Barca (1st leg): Jonas Eriksson did not award a penalty kick to Barca (Abbiati on Alexis Sánchez) which was actually clear for many of us (not for me). Same question to you: how many referees have you seen in this CL season who have not whistled such possible penalties?

      - Barca-Real (Copa del Rey): Teixeira Vitienes refuses a clear 2nd YC to Lassana Diarra in the first half.

      You see, it has no sense.

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    3. Anonymous4/4/12 12:18

      I think penalty was spot on. I remember very well the match between Slovenia and Russia in qualifiers for the WC 2002. It was the decisive match for 2nd place in the group and for following play-offs. The referee was Graham Poll from England and he awarded a penalty kick for Slovenia in the 90th minute when the result was 1-1. The same situation during the corner kick, even more - the contact in the penalty box was quite less intense as Nesta's yesterday. No warnings, just a penalty kick. I congratulate Kuipers for this decision (and I am NOT Barcelona fan). SALE

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  27. Both penalties 100% correct

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  28. Anonymous4/4/12 12:49

    I think that we shouldnt argue about this penalty.
    Yes referees do help Barcelona (sometimes) but they help also to Milan,Real Madrid,Inter...
    But after all Barcelona have won two Champions league 2009 (help from Ovrebo) , 2011 (very strict Bussacca)
    But I dont think that Barcelona would have won that two Champions league trophies if Ovrebo will whistle just 1 penalty or bussacca (or even Van Persie woudnt shoot on goal) wouldnt show second yellow card to Van Persie
    But this mistakes must not repeat again (Barcelona,Inter,Ireland...)

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  29. Anonymous4/4/12 18:53

    Also interesting:

    Today, Damir Skomina will handle his sixth UEFA Club match this season, each of them involving an English team:

    14/09/2011: SL BENFICA - MANCHESTER UNITED
    19/10/2011: OLYMPIQUE MARSEILLE - ARSENAL FC
    22/11/2011: SSC NAPOLI - MANCHESTER CITY
    23/02/2012: MANCHESTER UNITED - AFC AJAX
    06/03/2012: ARSENAL FC - AC MILAN
    04/04/2012: CHELSEA FC - SL BENFICA

    Kind regards from Vienna,
    Peter

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    1. At least he can tell his children then: "I had them all". Of course no coincidence. But I do not know the exact reason. And one can also list England-Switzerland in Qualifiers.

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    2. No coincidence?
      Why? Are you so sure about that?
      They appointed him on purpose always with english teams?

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    3. Anonymous4/4/12 23:14

      I also do not understand what Niclas is suggesting... Anyway, it was an excellent performance from Damir, a performance for Europa Leauge semi-final...

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    4. a) Perhaps UEFA appreciates his style with English teams or even in England. I cannot imagine that the Skomina style would work in a duel in Spain versus an Italian team.
      b) in Group Stage, all the English teams were joined by German teams (except ManU) and also often by Spanish teams (e.g. Group A, or Arsenal's group). So there was a need to appoint the other refs including Skomina..

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  30. petschovschi5/4/12 00:23

    http://www.gsp.ro/international/liga-campionilor/video-milan-acuza-penaltyul-controversat-acordat-barcelonei-cadou-de-la-arbitru-321616-galerie-foto-pic-471156.html#poza_mare

    I think it's preety obvious that Nesta's pulling started BEFORE the corner.
    IN THE MOMENT when Xavi take the corner there are 2 fouls same time:
    - Nesta is still pulling
    - Puyol is pushing Nesta

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    1. Anonymous5/4/12 00:40

      Full agree with Petschovschi. Referee at that level must urge the players when it's obvious pulling/pushing BEFORE a corner kick. It's obvious that here we have pulling and pushing BEFORE the corner kick, so Kuipers should have urged players at first, then he can show on the penalty spot. It's obvious mistake in applying of rules. It's mistake in a calls part of evaluation, but also in a control part because it's obvious oversight resulting in a match influencing mistake (lack of anticipation and (mostly) prevention, which are probably the most important things on that level of refereeing) - Qudamah

      One more, it would have been a penalty kick if the foul had ocurred AFTER moment when play was on.

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    2. So you blame Kuipers for Nesta's foul?

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    3. Petschovschi, you are right. I am going to change the mark and the report.

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    4. Anonymous5/4/12 13:13

      No, I blame Kuipers for his unprofessional and ignorance approach. Nesta's foul is stupid and obvious, but I'm looking for referee's prevention, anticipation and applying FIFA/UEFA recommendations - Qudamah

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    5. I did not mean you with the question ;)
      Have made a new thread.

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  31. Josh R (jbfpack)5/4/12 05:00

    My SemiFinal Predictions...

    In no order...

    Webb
    Kassai
    Cakir
    Proenca

    and Final to Stark (if Bayern doesn't reach).

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    1. Anonymous5/4/12 15:33

      Stark won't get the final because it is played in Germany. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it has never happenned in modern history...

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    2. Tullio Lanese in Bari 1991.

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    3. Anonymous6/4/12 12:21

      21 years ago than :)

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  32. Anonymous5/4/12 07:04

    And where in your preditcions is Rizzoli?

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  33. Anonymous5/4/12 09:29

    My predictions:

    Bayern-Real WEBB
    Chelsea-Barcelona STARK

    Barcelona-Chelsea KASSAI
    Real-Bayern RIZZOLI

    Final PROENCA

    S

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    1. petschovschi5/4/12 16:06

      My opinion:

      Bayern- Real: WEBB 100% (can't be 2nd leg for Webb thinking that Chelsea is involved in the other SF)
      Chelsea- Barcelona: STARK 100% (same for Stark: can't referee in 2nd leg because Bayern is involved)

      One of 2nd leg semifinal: KASSAI 100%
      The other 2nd leg semiginal and the final: Proenca and Rizzoli

      Probably the final will be given to proenca who is older than Rizzoli and next season Rizzoli will be in charge on Wembley !!!

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    2. If the names for Champions League semifinals will be Webb, Stark, Kassai and Rizzoli, as it seems, then Cuneyt Cakir is sure for Europa League final, I think.

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    3. petschovschi6/4/12 15:19

      I really don't know about Cakir. it is possible to be Cakir, but I wouldn't be surprise with Brych or even Tagliavento !

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    4. One can never know with Collina. We may have surprises at the 2 finals.

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  34. Anonymous5/4/12 10:23

    It is interesting what Jorge Jesus said about refereeing from Damir Skomina:
    "I want to congratulate my players because they played against Chelsea and the referee,"
    "Maxi Pereira's red card and the penalty make no sense. We do not understand how decisions like these are made in the quarter-finals.

    "We were clearly damaged by the referee."

    He is same as Arsene Wenger or even worse beacuse I think that both penalty and red card were correct as chefren and philip wrote in their reports

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  35. Anonymous5/4/12 10:44

    Mateo Beusan (I'm not sure if he is the head of Croatian (sic) refereeing committe, but he certaintly is one of the leading experts in refereeing and an UEFA observer) publicly stated yesterday that Skomina's performance had been at the highest level and worth (if he continues showing such performances) of a EURO 2012 quarter-final or even a semi-final.

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    1. Dušan Kukić is president of Refereeing commitee in Croatia, Mateo Beusan used to be Referee Observer, but he accepted the offer to work as refree expert (hawk eye) for HTV (national television). Commitee made him to choose beetween observing and working for TV, because it is not allowed for observers to comment referees in public, logically he picked TV, and he was assistant referee in UEFA Super Cup 1991 (Zoran Petrović, SRB was the referee). All in all, I agree with him, Skomina's performance in Chelsea-Benfica was great, I wouldn't be surprised with EL or even CL final.

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    2. Anonymous5/4/12 15:39

      CroRef, thanks for your explaination. I'm not so familiar with Croatian internal affairs:), however I know very well that Beusan is an expert. I think that only a miracle could prevent Skomina from getting CL (EL) final in following seasons, but I don't think it will happen just yet (this season). Maybe an EL semi-final...

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    3. But don't forget one important thing: since Collina, Dallas and Batta are referee officers and they appoint referees for CL and EL, we are not sure what should we expect: cat1 referees (ex cat2) never refereed CL gruop stage match, this season Harald Hagen refereed TWO matches, Meyer and Duhamel who were elite refereed ONE match. Last season Velasco was promoted in January, just FIVE months later he got CL semi final and EL final, do you remember that ever happened? Season before that, Cakir as PD referee got EL semi final, never happened before. Wolfgang Stark without CL knock-out stage match, and there are just FIVE more matches to be played. And one more thing, Collina, Batta and Dallas don't care about names, age or sth, performance is only important thing. FDB and Claus Bo Larsen, great referees who absolutely deserved Champions League final never got it, not even Europa league. Remember Bo Larsen, evereybody thought he'll get CL final in 2010, but he didn't even get a match in CL knock-out stage. What I want to say, I'm not sure what to expect from UEFA and I believe everything is possible, including Skomina in some of the finals. I wouldn't even be surprised if Kassai get CL final again maybe in 2016 or Webb in 2013(just kidding :P).

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    4. You are absolutely right, UEFA is a surprise bag.
      Kassai would deserve a 2nd CL final, but he has still many years time for that. I think Cakir is a hot candidate for 2013 / 2014 CL final if he continues his good performances.

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  36. Only a few aspects disturbed me yesterday:
    - Skomina had no idea how to control a match without cards
    - Skomina was again not self-confident with his decisions (he really apologized for giving the 2nd yellow card).
    - the 2nd YC, it does not matter in the end, but to my mind it was even a straight red card.

    The rest was excellent, a very good Skomina indeed, I agree with all the cards he gave and I also liked his line of 0-tolerance with claiming cards and protests. Very good and very important. Arhar with one big mistake (in 45', was 2 metres onside but he raised the flag). The disallowed goal excellently seen. Skomina's positioning was efficient, but again two things could be observed as it already happened in Arsenal-Milan: he crossed the path of the ball and was hit by it and the other thing is that he stole Chelsea one time a very good advantage. However, these are luxury problems. My opinion is that we have seen - without exception - very good performances in all the quarterfinal matches (you can discuss about Kuipers' 2nd penalty, you can discuss about Tagliavento's and Eriksson's non-given penalty kicks), but finally, a very good impression remains.

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    1. Oh and sorry, I totally missed the most important point: the duel preceding the 2-1, wasn't it a too high leg? I know, the ball was Meireles' only aim, but really, it was 1,5 metre high, the Benfica player had no chance to get in the duel without being potentially damaged. I am still not sure about this call.

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    2. Anonymous5/4/12 13:12

      I certaintly agree that Skomina made few minor mistakes, but we are never going to see PERFECT refereeing. As long as those mistakes are exceptions (e.g. ONCE in a ball's path, ONE bad advantage...) and do not influence the match result, they don't bother me and don't influence my opinion about the referee.

      I disagree, however, that his "apologizing" for giving the 2nd yellow card is a sign of a lack of confidence. He was just making clear to the player that he had no option but to dismiss him, meaning that it was entirely player's fault. Similar was the comment of Mateo Beusan yesterday whom I mentioned above.

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    3. In youth courses, we get the advice that one should never hide behind his decision, should never show a sign of being sorry or to say something like "Sorry, but I have to send you off". That was just what I was referring to.

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    4. Anonymous5/4/12 13:21

      I understand what you're saying. It's just that I believe that there is a difference between "I'm sorry" and "it's your fault".

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    5. Ah ok, right. I understood his body language in that way, but pff, it is important what he told him, you are right. Skomina is ready for interesting EURO matches like ESP-ITA, FRA-ENG I think.

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  37. Anonymous5/4/12 11:36

    What do you Niclas think about comments on refereeing by Jorge Jesus

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    1. One should encounter him with ignorance.

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  38. Anonymous5/4/12 19:43

    I just dont know what is wrong with player,manager and chairman of Benfica.
    They are still saying that refereeing of Skomina was that bad that they didnt won the match. Its just ridiculos. What idiots! Even Milan players ,manager didnt react that bed.

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