June 20, 2012

Four referees have left UEFA EURO 2012

UEFA has today announced the four officials who have been sent home apart from the fourth officials and reserve assistant referees. After a long list of match influencing mistakes, Viktor Kassai (Hungary), Björn Kuipers (Netherlands), Wolfgang Stark (Germany) and Carlos Velasco Carballo (Spain) have been sent home.

Björn Kuipers (NED) (C) ZIMBIO




On a press conference in Warsaw, UEFA refereeing chief officer Pierluigi Collina has furthermore announced the quarterfinals' appointments.


#25, QF1, 21 June 2012, 20:45 CET, Warsaw
Czech Republic - Portugal
Referee: Howard Webb (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Mullarkey (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Martin Atkinson (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Mark Clattenburg (ENG)
Fourth Official: Jonas Eriksson (SWE)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Stefan Wittberg (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Geir Thorsteinsson (ISL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)

#26, QF2, 22 June 2012, 20:45 CET, Gdansk
Germany - Greece
Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Primož Arhar (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Matej Žunič (SVN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Matej Jug (SVN)
Fourth Official: Stéphane Lannoy (FRA)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Frédéric Cano (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Christian Schmöelzer (AUT)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jaap Uilenberg (NED)

#27, QF3, 23 June 2012, 20:45 CET, Donezk
Spain - France
Referee: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Renato Faverani (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Andrea Stefani (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Gianluca Rocchi (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Paolo Tagliavento (ITA)
Fourth Official: Craig Thomson (SCO)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Alasdair Ross (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Armen Minasyan (ARM)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)

#28, QF4, 24 June 2012, 20:45, Kyiv
England - Italy
Referee: Pedro Proença (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bertino Miranda (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Ricardo Santos (POR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Manuel de Sousa (POR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Duarte Gomes (POR)
Fourth Official: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Janis Mežeckis (LVA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jozef Marko (SVK)

152 Comments:

  1. This tournament is a catastrophe for UEFA refereeing and I have no explanation for that. Sending home Kassai, Kuipers, Velasco and Stark is reasonable and the only adequate decision, the question is, why may Webb stay at the tournament?

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    1. Anonymous20/6/12 16:34

      The other question is: what happend with Peter Kirkup. Why is dutch assistent referee Sander van Roekel assisting Webb?

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    2. It's a clear punishment after Italy-Croatia, haven't you watched that match?

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    3. It is consistent. My theory is that UEFA knows that they need 8 officials. If they had been consistent, they had sent home the English team as well, but then, there are only 7 officials remaining. So the solution was perhaps taking van Roekel, who was very good, and replacing Kirkup by him. Unbelievable, until yesterday, Kassai seemed to be the beacon of this tournament, the no1, the final ref and now? Uff..I am excited which influences yesterday's match will have for Vad's and Kassai's career.

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    4. Anonymous20/6/12 17:11

      If Kuipers was sent home, but Van Roekel kept, why not Eros/Vad sent home and Kassai kept?

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    5. It's easy to answer: do you want to compare a ghost goal with 2 or 3 doubtful offside situations?
      It's clear that it was the biggest mistake of the whoe tournament, furthermore, Gabor Eros did a bad mistake on the offside, too.

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    6. Anonymous20/6/12 17:25

      Webb was great in his second match, his best match I have ever seen.

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    7. Anonymous20/6/12 20:01

      I do not comprehend UEFA's decision to keep Howard Webb while replacing Peter Kirkup by Sander van Roekel: Since a maximum of seven referee teams is required to handle the remaining matches, UEFA could also have kept the English team and assigned Howard Webb as Fourth Official as well as Mike Mullarkey as Additional Assistant Referee in the quarter final without awarding it a further match as "head (assistant) referees".

      Kind regards from Vienna,
      Peter

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    8. Anonymous21/6/12 18:41

      2008, Webb had to travel home after the first round due to failure of the wizard.This time we wanted to do not to him. By the way, Webb is overrated.

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    9. Anonymous26/2/13 13:28

      Howard Webb is one excellent referee
      except at Holland-Spain(SouthAfrica)

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  2. Stark: sent home for a missed penalty (and maybe other minor situations) in Spain-Croatia.
    Kuipers: sent home for a missed penalty in Ireland-Croatia and a missed yellow in Ukraine-France (it was crucial because in the second half, the player scored for his team).
    Kassai: sent home for the ghost goal, here without his direct responsibility.
    Velasco Carballo: sent home for the unacceptable sending off in Poland-Greece and probably also for the missed penalty in the subsequent match.

    I have read somewhere that Collina is proud because the only "problem" in 24 matches was the ghost goal, and they apologize for that. So, we should think that everything was ok in all the other matches. These words seem unacceptable, he is talking to people not expert about refereeing, and so it's easy for him.
    Where is the Elite refereeing, then? I repeat again my question, we have watched the normality from the referees in these tournament.
    Just one penalty in 24 matches, almost no red cards, too lenient styles.

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    1. The result of this tournament is disastrous, and they know it of course. The reasons? Pressure? Lack of quality? Lack of concentration? I do not know.

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    2. Anonymous20/6/12 18:20

      Velasco was very brave sending off a player and punishing a penalty (the only one at this moment) against one of the hosts, and now he's out. Maybe that is the problem. We will see more lenient refereeing in this Euro. The message is very clear.

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    3. Brave? The red to Szczesny was right, the other one a mistake, so I doubt that he was brave.

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    4. Anonymous21/6/12 01:14

      Do you know the meaning of "brave" in refereeing?

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    5. Ah, so the word brave has another meaning in refereeing language, then pls say what it means. I know it as a synonym for undaunted and courageous.

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    6. Anonymous21/6/12 23:30

      Correct, perfect definition. Football needs more brave, undaunted and corageous referees. In this Euro I have only seen two referees in this line: Velasco and Cakir. The difference between them is that Velasco commited a mistake being brave, but others commited more mistakes being cowardly. I prefer Velasco's mistake than Stark's, for example. But it's only my opinion, maybe I am wrong and football prefers frightened referees.

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    7. Anonymous28/6/12 17:22

      Amazing Commentary from Amusing Experts!!

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  3. Blog Referee Observer Appointments:

    Czech Republic - Portugal (Webb)
    Maicon O (BRA), Carlos S (COL)

    Germany - Greece (Skomina)
    Chefren (ITA), Cagatay I (TUR)

    Spain - France (Rizzoli)
    Pascal J (SUI), Edward A (GRE)

    England - Italy (Proenca)
    Philipp S (GER), Niclas E (GER)

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    1. Again Rizzoli Niklas? I had him in MD 1 France - England.

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    2. Anonymous20/6/12 17:40

      Brazil observer for Portugal match? Turkish observer for Greece match?

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    3. @ Anonymous: Pls do not question our neutrality, we do not need that.

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    4. Change. Sander dBR will be the second observer of this match, Edward A removed as he already had Rizzoli, my mistake.

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  4. i thing that cakir - lannoy or thomsson in semi- final and probably rizzoli take the final

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    1. I would assign Rizzoli for the final, too. Cakir and Lannoy for the semis and Proenca two further insets as 4th, including the final.

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    2. Anonymous20/6/12 19:17

      With Rizzoli officiating Spain in his QF match would that lower his chances of getting the final if also qualify? Also, if Italy do advance to the semi-final will he certainly be sent home?

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    3. Yes and yes. He must have a lot of luck. Proenca could be the lucky guy with two finals in a row.

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  5. I will publish an xcel document today or tomorrow (as soon as the last marks are received) with TEAM AVERAGES based on all the marks awarded so far by us.
    The Portugueses' match yesterday was the best performance so far (84,4 team average with factors). Weakest average of both matches has Kuipers.

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  6. Anonymous20/6/12 20:09

    I do not know how to interpret that Stéphane Lannoy is kept without having been assigned as referee in the quarter final: Since the French national team is still participating in the competition, this would probably mean that Lannoy is completely out if they reach the semi final. In my opinion, this could mean that Lannoy is one of the remaining referees who is not considered for a third match.

    Kind regards from Vienna,
    Peter

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  7. Yun mówiłes że nie znam się na sędziowaniu jak ci mówiłem że Stark to słaby sędzia teraz przyznasz mi racje że u schyłku kariery Stark sędzióje coraz słabiej teraz nr.1 w Niemczech to DR.FELIX BRYCH i to on pojedzie do BRAZYLI na MŚ,a Stark na emeryture kiedyś on był dobry ale to dawne czasy równierz twój kandydat Kassai wyjechał a też się sprzeczałeś że to dobry sędzia wczoraj temu zaprzeczył i nie powinien więcej wygrać w klasyfikacji IFFHS on nawet ni dorównuje UZBEKOWI- IRMATOV to to uzbek jest najleprzy na świecie sędzia

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    1. Kassai was good, very good. How can you blame him for additional assistant fault? If you call Kassai as blind ref, have my congratulations. I still think you haven't any knowledge about refs, saying such things about the best referees in the World. Ask someone else, is Kassai very weak referee and is he blind. Stark was ultralenient at this tournament and it was his fault. He missed 2-4 penalties and it's correct decision to sent him home. I agree, Ravshan Irmatov is the best referee in the World, but anyone can't call such superb referees as blind. Even Istvan Vad! You said Kuipers was good. Were is he now? He was very poor and Kassai was excellent. Only ridiculous FIFA decisions to not use goal line technology kill Hungarian team. And also don't think Brych is better than Stark, they are at the same level with advantage of Stark's experience. Regards.

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  8. Anonymous20/6/12 22:08

    Niclas E, would you consider Proença as the final referee? The games he has taken were good. The game of yesterday, on the day his aunt died, was good too. I'm a bit curious to see his performance in the quarter-finals.
    If Portugal only reach the semi-finals, don't you think he's a good choice?

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  9. Anonymous20/6/12 22:21

    Nicola Rizzoli - number one !

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  10. Another example of undetected obvious goal in MLS League match /Chicago Fire - New York Red Bulls/ scored by Dominic Oduro and missed by the main referee Baldomero Toledo and the assistant referee Ian Anderson:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpvVALoM6E8

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    1. Yes, I saw this live on TV. I know we are all caught up in Euro, but thank you for posting this. Personally, I know it is weird to say, but would I be wrong to lay more blame on Toledo here? Anderson was watching offside, then had to catch up to quick through ball on the turf, as well as keep up with Oduro(probably fastest player in MLS) and finally was screened by Conde with the clearance 'off the line'. Toledo is also catching up to play, but the ball is a good couple of feet over that line, and from what I can tell he is not screened by any player. Though it is always tough to make a call like that from the center.

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    2. Well, I had the same feeling, that Toledo should have seen it. I even think he wanted to whistle and count this goal, but there was a communication between him and Anderson.

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    3. yes, in review, on replay it appears as though Toledo has the whistle to his mouth, he then looks at Anderson who, I can only imagine, is signalling that the ball has not crossed the line(puts the flag between, in front of his right leg, instead of behind his right leg) this is when Toledo removes the whistle from his mouth and signals corner.

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  11. Same, they could have done Kassai, Alonso Fernandez, Ring, Fernandez Borbalan/Liesveld, Bognar. I don't understand Webb with van Roekel maneuver. Either Webb with Kirkup or Webb as 4th official.

    Overall, tournament of referees' mistakes, undoubtedly. Why Collina say such things about good performances? Referees failed - all teams made mistakes, big mistakes. Question why? In CL performances were quite well and now totally poor. Why? Instructions, pressure? One of the worst referees' tournament in history. WC2006, 2010, EURO 2000,2004,2008, many tournaments in the past were far better than this one... WC2002 and EURO2012 the worst in this aspect for sure.

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  12. Anonymous21/6/12 02:46

    I think Cakir might be a surprise for final.

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    1. Anonymous21/6/12 13:51

      Cakir is not surprise, he is on of three off the best referies at this time in Europe!

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    2. Anonymous21/6/12 18:46

      Cakir is a brave, calm unobtrusive referee from Turkey who had to lead so far no difficult games. He swims with the shaft of the top referees.He himself is not a topreferee

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  13. Yun i znów nie masz racji znam się za słaby występ arbitra odpowiada cały zespół pamiętasz jak było na ostatnich MŚ tam za błąd ASSISTANT-REFEREE-MAURICIO ESPINOSA który niewidzaiał ewidentnej bramki obarczony był tez JORGE LARRIONDA za złe ustawienie tak samo za błąd ASSISTANT-REFEREE-STEFANO AYROLDI wine poniósł też ROBERTO ROSSETI i zakończył kariere choćjego limit wieku kończy się w grudniu br

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    1. I will not comment your posts anymore. If you blame referees for FIFA idiots, stay on the field and make as many good calls as Kassai. Then, you call him blind referee... No need for such discussion.

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  14. I do not think that Cakir would be a surprise in the final, it would be deserved after the last 2 seasons.
    And to comment on a question before, yes, I consider Proenca as the - at the moment - clearest candidate for the final. He had two easy matches, one must stress that, but he was good. We can say more after his QF.

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  15. F. Taveira21/6/12 13:02

    Cakir is a safe bet for semi-finals. Along with Eriksson, Thomson and Lannoy.
    The final referee will depend on the quarter final results but Proença, Rizolli, Webb and Lannoy are front runners to be in the final match (depending on respective national teams performance).

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  16. Anonymous21/6/12 13:57

    http://www.uefa.com/uefa/footballfirst/matchorganisation/refereeing/news/newsid=1829088.html

    Strongly disagree with Collina, he was not the referee of this kind, so I am a bit surprised about what he have been talking.

    One penalty decision in group stages on one hand and around 15 faults in penalty area which haven't been awarded with penalty. Few elbowing faults also were not punished with sending off. Pure performance of additional assistant referees. And so on...

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    1. Such articles like this one do not deserve to be copied..

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  17. I agree Proenca, Rizzolii and Webb are the front runners for the final, but what about Skomina as an outside bet?? He (along with Kassai) has been the best referee so far in my opinion, and would fully deserve such an appointment.

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    1. I think we have to wait for the four quarterfinals. These predictions are not helpful, I was sure in the half-time of ENG-UKR that Kassai would be the final referee, I asked myself what could endanger the team, and then that happened.
      Skomina was good, but to my mind not good enough for a final. To be honest, I do not think that anybody of the 12 referees is - based on the two performances seen from everybody - ready for it.

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  18. 30 min Webb two błędes yelow cards und NANI błędes , faules und RNALDO no reaktions. WEBB no FINAL EURO 2012!!!

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  19. And so, after this evening, Pedro Proença is out for the rest of the tournament.
    His last match will be on sunday.
    No chance to referee another final, after the CL one.

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    1. Anonymous21/6/12 22:51

      Given satisfactory performances, the ENG - ITA clash on Sunday means that either Nicola Rizzoli or Howard Webb will become free to whistle to final. On the other hand: Will UEFA really award Howard Webb the EURO final after the WC final 2010? Will UEFA really award Nicola Rizzoli the EURO final after Roberto Rosetti 2008?

      Kind regards from Vienna,
      Peter

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  20. 72 73 min minimals offaid MIKE MULLARKEY decis perfetto CONGRATULATION MIKE decis

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    1. Please, can you tell me what language is that?
      I recognize some italian words in the middle :D
      (pefetto)

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  21. Just a great performance by the whole team, worthy of the final. Of course, the main obstacle will be the English team.

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    1. A final without Kirkup and with an assistant from a different country would be a sad thing in my opinion, probably the emblem of the EURO2012 refereeing failure.

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    2. Agree, but I am not so glad with Proenca's and Cakir performances too (Proenca with the easy first match and also with some incredible wrong calls - minor but just wrong, Cakir good but not excellent too). Who deserves more than Webb on the final? Apart from that is someone better than Mullarkey and van Roekel at this tournament? I don't see. No doubt, Webb's team is the best (with van Roekel even better). Regards

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    3. By the way in this match I have seen at least two situations in which our friend Al Ghamdi would have whistled a penalty.
      You said that sometimes you are a fan of that kind of refereeing ;)
      Regards

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    4. Yes, I am and I don't hide it :) Nani was pulled by defender and it could have been a penalty, no doubt. Of course, Webb's and Clattenburg's call was right too because Nani felt too easily (44'). In situation with Ronaldo and Gebre Selassie even Al-Ghamdi would have not given penalty there I think (88'). Every referee has own style and it is good until rules are not violated. Al Ghamdi is very strict, Webb, Kassai are lenient, but in this leniency they has also common sense, not like Stark in this tournament or many refs in Bundesliga (no offence, Niclas :))

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  22. Anonymous22/6/12 01:13

    Can Eriksson (SWE) be a possible candidate for a third match or was he only kept due to other referees (bigger) failures?

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    1. Don't know, but his second match was a big catastrophe...

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    2. Anonymous22/6/12 02:22

      I didn't see his second performance... Anything else besides the dive booking of Karagounis or is that enough to consider it a big catastrophe in your opinion? Regarding that situation, do you guys think it would have been OK not to whistle the penalty if he just hadn't shown a YC for diving and just let the players play on, considering his lenient style and usual match approach? As we have seen in the CL this season, he's not a big fan of giving cheap penalties?

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    3. Maybe you'll find the time to watch this match. Penalty is clear and it's no doubt, Johannesson is the biggest guilty no doubt. I said Eriksson's performance was a catastrophe because he totally lost everything - the most important, control. Until this 62' he was very very good. And then he missed some obvious fouls (i.e. Karagounis tactical foul that deserved on second yellow - deliberate mistake imo - 65'), missed secon yellow to Zhirkov for obvious dive. Karagounis - yellow, why obvious dive by Zhirkov was play-on call (73')? And many smaller mistakes like lack of yc to Samaras (56' - foul on Anyukov) and to Anyukov (63' - foul on... Samaras). Eriksson hadn't three big things: anticipation, prevention and in second half - control. That's all.

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  23. Excellent Webb in my opinion, nearly faultless. No penalties absolutely correct. Van Roekel very good.

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    1. Maybe, only and only one mistake was the free-kick for handball after reckless insistence of Ronaldo

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    2. F. Taveira22/6/12 10:00

      I was pretty satisfied with the english-dutch team, just the YC to Nani seemed to me a bit unjustified. The match was easy, but the great control by Webb. He needs to wait until sunday but he was done enough to stay in the EURO until the end.

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    3. I understand both decisions.
      Nani had two tackles against Limbersky including the conflict at the corner flag, then his arm clearly moved to Limbersky's neck. Yellow perhaps hard, but along with the decision after that, he managed to get the control for the whole match. Very good signals around the 25 minute. And the handball call: a correct one. A hand to protect the face is not allowed by the laws, the hand moves to the ball, the distance is clear (9,15), not so close. I think if Italy manage to go through, he could be a very probable final candidate after yesterday, although the match was quite easy to handle. No penalties correct, also correct not to whistle a free kick to Ronaldo immediately before the booking on Veloso. Good communication and he was the referee being closest to the play at this tournament. Very good performance.

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  24. http://www.mlsz.hu/kassai-viktor-a-felelosseget-is-igazi-csapatkent-kell-vallalnunk
    An interesting interview with Viktor Kassai, on the hungarian football federation site.

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  25. Thanks for the link, nice to hear his judgment of the last match, I however miss a word that they are sorry for the team which was affected.

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  26. ARAB NATIONS CUP 2012 - SAUDI ARABIA

    MAIN REFEREES:
    Djamel Haïmoudi /ALG/
    Nawaf Abdulla Ghayyath Shukralla /BHR/
    Jihad Grisha /EGY/
    Sulaiman Jaber Dalqam /JOR/
    Abdulrahman Al-Amri /KSA/
    Rédouane Jiyed /MAR/
    Abdullah Balidah Al-Baloushi /QAT/
    Khalid Abdulrahman /SUD/
    Slim Jedidi /TUN/
    Hamad Al-Shaikh Hashmi /UAE/

    ASSISTANTS:
    Abdelhak Etchiali /ALG/
    Aziz Ali Hassan Al-Wa'adi /BHR/
    Salah Hassan Al-Sharif /EGY/
    Ahmad Al-Ruaili /JOR/
    Abdulaziz Al-Asmari /KSA/
    Fuwad Al-Maghribi /LBY/
    Bouazza Rouani /MAR/
    Ramzan Said Al-Naimi /QAT/
    Walid Ahmad Ali /SUD/
    Bechir Hassani /TUN/
    Ahmad Al-Shamisi /UAE/
    Ahmad Qaid Ana'am /YEM/

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  27. Yun czytałeś wypowiedź Colliny na temat sędziowania okazuje się że sędziowie dobrze wykonują swoją prace. Przykład (1) ofsajd na 302 decyzje tylko 13 decyzji ASSISTANT było błędnych 289 dobrych (2) Gol cel na trzy jedna nieprawidłowa decyzja właśnie I.VAD wsumie reasumójąc sędziowie są pobłażliwi głównie w interpretacji gry łokciem tylko Velasco w meczu polska grecja słusznie ukarał greka żółtkiem

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  29. MMmh not so good the first minutes of Skomina, I'm sorry.
    One offside call was wrong, a yellow card was missed and now a regular goal was annulled due to a wrong (it seemed) offside call.
    Anyway, my feeling is that Germany will not have so many problems, in winning this match.
    Greece already lucky and only 6 minutes have passed.

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    1. I have to correct myself about the raised flag, the player was probably in offside, anyway a very difficult situation because two players together are going to kick the ball, and one of them is in offside.
      We have to understand who hits the ball.


      Meanwhile, Skomina has understood that in this match cards are needed starting from now, because the way of playing of the Greek team it's clear.

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    2. Anonymous22/6/12 22:38

      "We have to understand who hits the ball."

      Doesn't matter. The guy in offside position goes towards the ball and affects the situation.

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    3. Anonymous22/6/12 22:51

      Mistake. You are not right. The key is who hits the ball. Please, review the rule 11.

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    4. The second anonymous is right.
      The rule has changed: now a player can do what he wants, if he doesn't touch the ball, the instruction is to keep the flag down as far as possible, so if the offside player was able to understand his position and let the ball to his teammate, it would have been a regular goal.

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    5. If he had deflected the goalkeeper's area of vicinity by interference, it would have been offside. Correctly disallowed at any rate.

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  30. Skomina może jest dobry sędzia ale meczy o stawke sędziować nie powinien bo popełnia wiele błędów juz kilka razy widziałem że ten zdolny 36 letni słoweniec z Koper nie może poradzic sobie jest wiele przykładów na to

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  31. Skomina in first half EURO Quarter-final unworthy.

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    1. Don't exaggerate with words, anyway Greece has scored the 1-1!
      I'm shocked (positively) by this team, they have a great heart, which compensate their way of playing, for sure not the best.
      EURO 2004 is possible again? :)
      (PLEASE DON'T BLAME ME NICLAS) :D

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  32. Anonymous22/6/12 22:13

    Does anyone know who are the referees at the Under 19 European Championship? Danny Makkelie is one of them!

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    1. Anonymous22/6/12 22:29

      We decided to assign the following six officials:

      Kenn Hansen (DEN)
      Paolo Valeri (ITA)
      Vadims Direktorenko (LVA)
      Danny Makkelie (NED)
      Arnold Hunter (NIR)
      Alain Bieri (SUI)

      Kind regards from Vienna,
      Peter

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    2. Don't know, one of assistants will be Tomasz Listkiewicz from Poland.

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    3. Anonymous22/6/12 22:37

      Thanks!

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    4. "We" who? :)
      Are you a UEFA man?

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    5. Anonymous22/6/12 23:01

      Sorry:
      UEFA decided ...

      Assistant referees:
      Yves De Neve (BEL)
      Dzmitri Zuk (BLR)
      Ivo Kolev (BUL)
      Stefan Lupp (GER)
      Marco Tropeano (LUX)
      Anatolie Bodean (MDA)
      Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
      Aleksei Lebedev (RUS)

      Fourth officials:
      Eiko Saar (EST)
      Kristo Tohver (EST)

      Observers:
      Jozef Marko (SVK)
      Juan Antonio Fernandez Marin (ESP)
      Uno Tutk (EST)
      Are Habicht (EST)

      Kind regards from Vienna,
      Peter

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    6. Don't worry :)
      I was joking!
      So PAOLO VALERI from Italy is confirmed?
      thank you

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  33. What a bad referee. Today a penalty and in Netherlands-Denmark not, so inconsistent.

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  34. Skomina immediatly whistled the penalty for the handball this time :)
    I think that it's a correct call, but as always we can discuss.
    Overall, was a too easy match for the slovenian team, but probably the most important thing is that, and I want to be honest, they are not ready for the final, it's too early in my opinion.
    It's a feeling based on some situations: the card management was not excellent, and some other minor mistakes.
    Skomina can be satisfied with what he has reached until now... a good EURO for him.

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  35. Anonymous22/6/12 22:42

    He can be satisfied beacuse he is still young and he will probably referee on next Euro championship/s.

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    1. Yes.... this first big tournament as experience.
      Report to follow tomorrow!
      Regards!

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  36. I think his performance was very good, but he should have booked Samaras in 2'. I have doubts about the penalty, I do not see a deliberate handball, no unnatural movement, movement of the hand is away from ball, but of course I am not neutral, Zunic again excellent.

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    1. Skomina was good. The only problem he will have is the penalty he gave for Greece. Honestly speaking there isn't a penalty. The defender has his back turned at the ball and the hand's movement is completely natural. As for Zunic I think that he could disallowed Germany's fourth goal as offside (my impression from the replay).
      Very easy match, missed 3 yellow cards but I think that Skomina has reached his top for this tournament.

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    2. About penalty, as I have said, we can discuss, it's always the same problem with thiee handballs, a problem for the referees, for the fans, for the players, they have always to jump with their arms in ridicolous positions.
      We should change it.... anyway, more will be written in my report.
      About the offside prior to 4-1:
      http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/2929/gilzu2yx_jpg.htm
      for sure, the hand is in offside, and we know that it isn't punishable. The rest of the body appears in a regular position, anyway ifit's offside, impossible to understad, in my opinion still a good choice the NO FLAG.

      Zunic seems to have more authority than Skomina, I agree with Niclas, about his performance.

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  37. Copa Libertadores Finals
    1st leg: Boca Juniors (ARG) vs Corinthians (BRA)
    Enrique Osses, Francisco Mondia, Carlos Astroza, Patricio Polic (all form Chile)
    2nd leg: Corinthians vs Boca Juniors
    Wilmar Roldán, Abraham Gonzalez, Humberto Clavijo, Jose Buitrago (all from Colombia)

    Both of them are from the new generation of Conmebol´s referees.
    To remark that Roldán´s AR are going to be the ones who were with Ruiz at the World Cup also when Gonzalez is not on the pre-list!

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  38. From what I saw, Skomina was very good. I didn't see the penalty, so can't comment, but he tried to let the game flow, was always in control, and clearly had the respect of the players. I don't think he will go further (Webb for the final when (not if!!) England are out), but he can be very satisfied with his performance, and is a possibility for 4O at final??

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  39. I'm doing the report, I want to say that probably there is a mistake on the UEFA MatchCentre, they say that the offside call in the 4' minute was against Schürrle. Wrong, because Schürrle was in a regular position. I think that (and I'm going to write it) the flag was correctly raised for Klose.
    At any rate, it seems that one of the players committed also foul on the Greek keeper, prior to the ball crossing the line

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    1. Arhar was quite early with his flag, so that it could be that he did not wait for the player who will touch the ball, which was probably irrelevant in this situation. I do not think that there was a foul, attacks by the German striker were aimed at the ball and nor they were reckless. But the injury was the consequence, so indeed, perhaps one could have even whistled that. Write down Klose in offside, then it is good. It depends on the evaluation of Uilenberg, but I think that Webb and Skomina are very hot candidates for the final, as referees, not as fourths.
      We have to keep in mind that Proenca will go, that Rizzoli or Webb will go.

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    2. You know, I'm not a fan of Howard Webb, nevertheless, I must say that I can't agree with your words. There isn't any chance to put Skomina and the English referee on the same level as candidates for the final.
      Skomina has still to work on many aspects, and he reached (in my opinion, of course) the top from this tournament.
      Final mark is about 73 for him, I'm going to send the report.

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    3. F. Taveira23/6/12 11:38

      To early for Skomina and he wasn't that good to be in the final. It's hard to say who will be in the final 3 matches. For me, just Cakir is secure in one of them, probably a semi-final. Then we have the trio Rizzoli/Webb/Lannoy depending on their National teams. Thomson and Eriksson are sort of back-up solutions; Proença goes home; Skomina can stay but just as 4th in the last matches.

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    4. I actually agree with you that he is not very ready for it. But if we take into account that normally, the final referee had also a quarterfinal (ok, 2004 it was not like that), that the world's no1 is not joining the tournament anymore, everything is possible.
      My train of thought was that:

      Who is remaining then? Thomson. I do not think that he is a serious candidate for a third match, remember 2008, Vassaras stayed until the end without getting a match except from having been 4th in POR-GER. Lannoy? Difficult to imagine him in a final, but possible, but as he had no QF, I would not assign him for the final, more likely for the semifinal. Cakir. The same counts for him. Either the surprise, direct into the final, which would be very deserved. Eriksson after a match influencing mistake of less importance as Greece went through is hard to imagine for the final match, perhaps he will get a semi, but I do not think so to be honest. Proenca will go home after ENG-ITA. Who is remaining? Webb, Skomina, Rizzoli. One of Rizzoli and Webb will go, too. I think that England will win, sry Chefren. Then Webb must go home, too. Rizzoli has to perform very well tonight, I think he was not on the best level in both matches. He had Spain in QF, so if Spain will go through into the final, there is no chance for him anymore (theoretically). And yes, then there is only Skomina and if Uilenberg has evaluated the penalty as a correct one, his chances are tremendously high, which does not mean that I personally would give him the final. I would try it with Cakir.

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    5. I understand your words, Niclas, anyway I have finished my report without a final decision about the penalty, sorry it's impossible.

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    6. I agree with you. A lot of criteria supports his decision, many contradict it. Important is what UEFA's instructions are and what Uilenberg thought. I detected Collina in both matches on the tribune, so we will have his opinion as well.

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    7. Too difficult.
      If we judge a handball just on the criterion: intentional / unintentional, we make a mistake. I'm sure that most of the players, when a penalty is whistled, haven't in their mind to committ the handball.
      It often happens because the position of the hand and the arm is not so correct, and they don't pay attention to a possible contact with the ball.
      And so, when we have to judge and evaluate this criteria, adding many other ones, that you have also written in your posts on this blog, well, it's simply impossible.
      I can say:
      1) this penalty is correct because without the arm and the hand in that position, the ball would have passed, so he denied a clear opportunity due to his negligence.
      2) this penalty it's clearly wrong, because Boateng was turned in the back and it's impossible to think that he did it on purpose, even more because he was jumping and he did a natural move with his arms...

      Now, are you able to answer?
      Both points are totaly right.

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    8. It clearly shows: benefit of the doubt to Skomina, at least from our point of view, also because it was not really a match influencing call in this stage of the match.

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    10. Yes but this thing should bring us to reflect more.
      Imagine that the score was 1-1, the referee whistled that penalty and the qualification was so decided.
      A referee should never think to make a call moer relaxed because irrelevant for the final score, this would be the biggest mistake.
      He sohuld have whistled that penalty in every condition, if he was sure.
      It's terrible. A player has to play, or maybe he has always to be worried about his hands positions? We can't go on with this problem, in my mind it's something like the GOAL - NO GOAL question.

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    11. Anonymous23/6/12 17:17

      "Arhar was quite early with his flag, so that it could be that he did not wait for the player who will touch the ball, which was probably irrelevant in this situation."

      Why was it irrelevant?

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    12. Because in this case, the player who was not offside at least clearly influenced the goalkeeper. I just had the impression that the flag came too early for making a clear judgment whether Klose or Schürrle would touch the ball, so I think it was in Arhar's judgment irrelevant as he considered both players being in active offside..perhaps ;)

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  40. Hey Nic, could I ask why I am having problems posting on here? I lost a big post two days ago, no reason …

    Also, why would Proenca be ruled out for final if Portugal do not progress?

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  41. http://www.stretford-end.com/2012/06/stretford-ends-betting-guide-to-euro-2012/ I'm sticking with some of my predictions pre-tournament :)

    I was thinking Kassai or Rizzoli as an outside bet, with Skomina and Webb pushing hard.

    As of this moment (as you all say, many things can change after QF completion), I would go:

    Spain v Portugal - Eriksson (Im Greek and I can tell you he did his homework on Karagounis. Kara left his foot on Anyukov's planted leg - should have continued and scored a wonder goal)

    Germany v England - Cakir (despite picky Italy game)

    Germany v Spain - Rizzoli (if a mistake tonight, then Skomina)

    Other thoughs: Kuipers and Lannoy lowest ranked referees after tournament performances (why Lannoy still insists on springing to every foul in an obnoxious manner is beyond me - too many fouls too).

    Webb may be an outsider for the final, had an excellent tournament so far - one pen claim/ Nani yellow aside.

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  42. I do not know, perhaps you missed typing the security letters?

    Kassai is already at home, Proenca will leave the tournament as his national team has achieved the semifinals. This is a fixed rule the big federations are applying for years.

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  43. Anonymous23/6/12 18:19

    Hi Suricate,

    FIFA officials do not consistently follow this rule, see for instance the Olympic Women's Tournament in 2004 when Swede Jenny Palqvist handled the final between the United States and Brazil and US-American Kari Seitz the Bronze medal match between Germany and Sweden.

    Kind regards from Vienna,
    Peter

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    1. Anonymous23/6/12 18:29

      CONCACAF does not seem to apply this rule either: In 2007, Mexican Benito Archundia whistled the semi-final between Canada and the United States whereas the other fixture was Mexico versus Guadeloupe.

      Kind regards from Vienna,
      Peter

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    2. Anonymous23/6/12 18:36

      And AFC neither: Last year, Ravshan Irmatov handled the final although Uzbekistan was still participating in the semi-final (and lost against Australia).

      Kind regards from Vienna,
      Peter

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    3. Anonymous23/6/12 18:39

      Well, and the rareness of New Zealand being eliminated in the OFC semi-final led to the final appointment of Peter O'Leary in Oceania this year.

      Kind regards from Vienna,
      Peter

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    4. I think, in the case of CONCACAF at least, that at those times there were not enough experienced quality officials that could measure up to them. I guess the confederations felt that they would give up the thought of possible bias to have the best referee they could find for the match.

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    5. It is a UEFA as well as FIFA statute in men competition.

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  44. Is this a fixed rule for sure? Hmm

    How do you feel about my other observations.

    Love the site by the way - best refereeing debate around ...

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    1. Thanks, I think Cakir is a good idea, but Rizzoli again with ESP is perhaps not possible, but we will see.

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  45. Anonymous23/6/12 23:00

    Nicola Rizzoli and his team : very good... surely a real candidate, with Howard Webb for final match

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  46. Anonymous24/6/12 00:23

    Nicola Rizzoli - number one !

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  47. Anonymous24/6/12 06:42

    The fourth quarter-final, England - Italy, may also decide the referee of the Euro final: Rizzoli or Webb.

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  48. Apart from some crudities, his performance was very good in my opinion. Difficult call in 6'.

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    1. I'm not convinced by this difference between the first case in which he didn't whistle and the second case in which he whistled the penalty.
      In the first case, Tagliavento was so close, and maybe he suggested the decision, anyway Menez said in italian words something that I can't report here and he was only yellow carded, it was a red card for sure.
      If you want, I give you a hint: "F*** **f"

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    2. Oh oh, good observation..
      I think the second penalty is a clear one.
      The first situation was difficult, very slightest contact you can imagine is enough that the striker falls by booting himself after the contact. It was the same with Twente-Schalke and Thomson. Super-zoom-replays of the German tv channel have shown that there was a contact, but they needed a magnifier to detect that, Tagliavento had not the time, not the right perspective, Rizzoli was too far away. And even if there was a touch, one can argue whether it was a contact to be penalized as a foul.

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    3. Anonymous24/6/12 13:45

      Chefren wrote:
      "F*** **f"

      Well, let me guess:

      * #1: a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, v, w, x, y, z?
      * #2: a, b, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z?
      * #3: a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z?
      * #4: a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z?
      * #5: a, b, c, d, e, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z?

      Kind regards from Vienna,
      Peter

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    4. Anonymous24/6/12 17:03

      I'm not agree ... I like Rizzoli,his style, his calm ... but today his performance was not so good:
      - penalty missed at the beginning of the match
      - red card in the penalty he whistled
      - one yellow (maybe red) card missed (maybe more)

      However, I think he can be a very good candidate for the final. I think he will not punished despite of he is not being, in this Euro, the best Rizzoli.

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    5. red card in the penalty scene?? o.O

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  49. Hi anon

    I cant believe you really feel that should be red? And the first is never a penalty, minimal crossing of legs if any. Certianly difficult to award in thi particular tournament with what seems to be a clear directive. Rizzoli a shoe-in if England advance. Been superb

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    1. Anonymous24/6/12 23:13

      Hi Nikos.

      From my point of view:
      - the first penalty is a careless action = penalty
      - the second one, the defender denies an obvious opportunity

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  50. Anonymous24/6/12 18:31

    I have one question for you
    Who do you think will referee final and who will be fourth official?

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  51. Depends on today. If England goes through and if Spain joins the final, I clearly prefer Cüneyt Cakir. If Spain will not join the final, Rizzoli. If Italy will go through this evening, I would favourize Webb. Skomina's and Lannoy's chances should not be underestimated, I would appoint Skomina as fourth official for the final.

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  52. Nic you have always had a penchant for Lannoy :)

    Can't see how he deserves a semi let alone final. Wht did you score him for Czech v Greece?

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    1. Me? A penchant for Lannoy? :D:D
      Anyway, he showed two solid performances. I would have called his performance in CZE-GRE "expected level". Not very good, but still good. At least, he did not make big mistakes in both matches - contrary to many others.

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  53. Anonymous24/6/12 22:09

    All the referees in the qf go home, they alredy informed of that

    Portugal-spain. Cakir
    Germany - italy/englan - erikson

    Final goes to cakir

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  54. Anonymous24/6/12 22:12

    Sorry final goes to thomson, presure of dallas

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    1. In your logic why can't the final go to Lannoy by pressure of Marc Batta?

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  55. Anonymous24/6/12 22:39

    Why would they give semi-final to Cakir and then again final if thare are referees like (Lannoy,Skomina,Webb or Rizzoli ready for one of this two games) one will go to Cakir thats clear

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  56. W tym momencie rozpoczyna się seria żutów karnych w ostatnim ćwierćfinale i oto przed tym wydarzeniem miała miejsce sytuacja gdzie włosi mieli piłke meczową ale szczelec gola był na minimalnym ofsajdzie bardzo dobra decyzja AR BETINO MIRANDY. Doświadczenie robi swoje bo ten sędzia ma najdłóższy międzynarodowy starz od 1999 roku to mówi samo za siebie ma ktoś inne zdanie?

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  57. Anonymous24/6/12 23:35

    Top class Bertino Miranda.

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  58. Anonymous25/6/12 00:00

    I don't think referees from QF should be sent home and I'm sure it won't happened. If you ask me this is what is going to happen: Proenca and Rizzoli will go home because Italy and Portugal are in semis. If I have to pick between Eriksson and Thomson, I would send Eriksson to Sweden. So, Cakir, Webb and Lannoy should stay as referees and Skomina and Thomson as fourth officials. Lannoy (Thomson 4th) for POR-SPA and Cakir (Skomina 4th) for GER-ITA. Webb for final match, Skomina or Cakir 4th. It would be very stupid to send Webb home, his first match was nothing special, but he was absolutely great in his second and third match. And yes: there were much better referees then Webb in history (De Bleeckere, Fandel, Rosetti, Busacca, and GREAT COLLINA), but they never get three greatest finals in football: World Cup, Champions League and EURO. In my oppinion, if Webb get EURO final, he should retire at the end od this season, because he accomplished all one referee could wish and while Webb is on the scene there is no place for Clattenburg and Atkinson on FIFA's and UEFA's big tournaments.

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  59. My predictions for the rest of the tournament:

    Spain - Portugal: Cakir (4th Thomson)
    Germany - Italy: Lannoy (4th Eriksson)

    Final: Webb (4th Skomina)

    I wish Cakir has the final (believe he deserves) but too early for him.

    Ugur

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  60. What a match yesterday! Italy deserved to win already after the 90 minutes, but England was able to resist until the penalties.
    The match was ptobably the fairest of the whole tournament until now! Just two cards in 120 minutes, and the second one (to Maggio) appeared a bit harsh, it was suggested by assistant, at first Proença hadn't whistled.
    In first half, there was probably the lowest number of whistled fouls of all the turnament.
    The biggest call was made by Bertino Mirand when he correctly disallowed the italian goal, what a concentration until the 115'!
    I agree with some previous messages written here, he is for sure an excellent and top class assistant referee, no doubts.

    Now, about the semifinals: it's written on a italiannwespaper that the choice for Germany-Italy includes Webb, Thomson and Lannoy.
    UEFA this morning will publish the decision, they are thinking if it's good to appoint again Webb after a quarterfina, immediatly for a semifinal, but the chance to keep him for the final now appears more possible.
    So, the choice could be Thomson. The hird choice is Lannoy.
    About the other semifinal Portugal-Spain they give for sure Cakir. He could have deserved the final but it's too early.
    No room for Eriksson then, which was kept until now probably just due to other referees biggest mistakes.
    Let's wait and we will see.

    So, the pattern would be:

    Germany-Italy Webb (Thomson, Lannoy)
    Portuga-Spain Cakir

    FINAL Howard Webb

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    1. Hi Chefren

      Agree on Proenca, the finest display we have seen here, aling with Skominas Eng game and Rizzoli' s Spain game. Liner was good but suspect positioning at times. Missed one offside and clear Abate foul throw wich nearly led to a goal.

      My appointments:

      Ger v Ita: Eriksson (rank 3) or Thomson

      Spa v Por: Cakir (rank 5)

      Ger v Spa: WEBB (Skomina 4th)

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  61. Anonymous25/6/12 13:03

    It is announced: Cakir for SPA-POR and Lannoy for GER-ITA. Skomina and Webb are 4th officials.

    http://www.uefa.com/uefa/footballfirst/matchorganisation/refereeing/news/newsid=1833515.html#euro+semi+final+referees+appointed

    My appointments were correct.

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  62. Confirmed:

    Portugal - Spain Cakir (TUR) with Skomina as fourth
    Germany - Italy Lannoy (FRA) with Webb as fourth

    Therefore, the final should be for Webb and Skomina, I think Skomina will be the fourth.
    Al the other referees can return home.

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    1. Observers:

      Cakir---Josef Marko(SVK) "He was also observer of Cakir at IRL-ITA, intresting"

      Lannoy---Hugh Dallas(SCO)

      Final obviously goes to Webb, then.
      Unique in history, having the huge triple.

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  63. Anonymous25/6/12 14:34

    final for thompson??
    no?

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