October 20, 2012

UEFA Champions League - Referee Appointments (MD3)

Europe's football governing body UEFA has published the first package of referee appointments for the next matchday of UEFA Champions League.
Milorad Mažić will experience the "Theatre of Dreams" (c) ZIMBIO





(RUS) Spartak Moskva
FC Spartak Moskva
SL Benfica
Benfica (POR)
Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 18:00 CET, Luzhniki Stadion, Moscow (RUS) Group G
Referee: Mark Clattenburg (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Simon Beck (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Stephen Child (ENG)
Fourth Official: Darren Cann (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Michael Jones (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Kevin Friend (ENG)
UEFA Delegate: Adrian Ixari (MDA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Athanassios Briakos (GRE)
Referee Liaison Officer: Vyacheslav Kharlamov (RUS)


(DEN) Nordsjælland
FC Nordsjælland
Juventus
Juventus (ITA)
Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 20:45 CET, Parken, Copenhagen (DEN) Group E
Referee: Deniz Aytekin (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Guido Kleve (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Holger Henschel (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Marco Fritz (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Guido Winkmann (GER)
UEFA Delegate: David Griffiths (WAL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Ilkka Koho (FIN)
Referee Liaison Officer: Bill René Hansen (DEN)


(UKR) Shakhtar Donetsk
FC Shakhtar Donetsk
Chelsea FC
Chelsea London (ENG)
Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 20:45 CET, Donbass Arena, Donetsk (UKR) Group E
Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Matej Žunič (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Bojan Ul (SVN)
Fourth Official: Primož Arhar (SVN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Roberto Ponis (SVN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Dragoslav Perič (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Harry Been (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michel Vautrot (FRA)
Referee Liaison Officer: Viktor Paradnikov (UKR)


(FRA) OSC Lille
LOSC Lille
FC Bayern München
Bayern München (GER)
Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 20:45 CET, Lille Métropole, Villeneuve D'Ascq (FRA) Group F
Referee: Martin Atkinson (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Jake Collin (ENG)
Fourth Official: Mike Mullarkey (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
UEFA Delegate: Adonis Procopiou (CYP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Robert Jeurissen (BEL)
Referee Liaison Officer: Claude Cauvet (FRA)


(BLR) BATE
FC BATE Borisov
Valencia CF
Valencia CF (ESP)
Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 20:45 CET, Dinamo Stadion, Minsk (BLR) Group F
Referee: Craig Thomson (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Derek Rose (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: Alasdair Ross (SCO)
Fourth Official: Graham Chambers (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Steven McLean (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Paul Robertson (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Orkhan Huseynzade (AZE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Antonov (MDA)
Referee Liaison Officer: Vadim Zhuk (BLR)


(ESP) FC Barcelona
FC Barcelona
Celtic FC
Celtic (SCO)
Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 20:45 CET, Camp Nou, Barcelona (ESP) Group G
Referee: Gianluca Rocchi (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Elenito Di Liberatore (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Gianluca Cariolato (ITA)
Fourth Official: Riccardo Di Fiore (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Mauro Bergonzi (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Andrea De Marco (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Petr Fousek (CZE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nuno Castro (POR)
Referee Liaison Officer: Antonio Uzcudun Gómez (ESP)


(TUR) Galatasaray
Galatasaray AŞ
CFR 1907 Cluj
CFR Cluj (ROU)
Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 20:45 CET, Ali Sami Yen Spor Kompleksi, Istanbul (TUR) Group H
Referee: Paolo Tagliavento (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Mauro Tonolini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
Fourth Official: Andrea Stefani (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Luca Banti (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Antonio Damato (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Ainar Leppänen (EST)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michel Piraux (BEL)
Referee Liaison Officer: Unur Efe (TUR)


(ENG) Man. United
Manchester United FC
SC Braga
Braga (POR)
Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 20:45 CET, Old Trafford, Manchester (ENG) Group H
Referee: Milorad Mažić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1:Milovan Ristić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2:Igor Radojčić (SRB)
Fourth Official: Vladimir Jovanović (SRB)
Additional Assistant Referee 1:Milenko Vukadinović (SRB)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Miodrag Gogić (SRB)
UEFA Delegate: Roland Tis (BEL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Johannes Reijgwaart (NED)
Referee Liaison Officer: Allison David (ENG)


(RUS) Zenit
FC Zenit St Petersburg
RSC Anderlecht
Anderlecht (BEL)
Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 18:00 CET, Petrovskiy Stadion, St.Petersburg (RUS) Group C
Referee: Ivan Bebek (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomislav Petrović (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Miro Grgić (CRO)
Fourth Official: Dalibor Conjar (CRO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Domagoj Vučkov (CRO)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Goran Gabrilo (CRO)
UEFA Delegate: José Aguiar (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
Referee Liaison Officer: Aleksander Kudryavtsev (RUS)


(POR) FC Porto
FC Porto
FC Dynamo Kyiv
Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)
Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 20:45 CET, Estadio do Dragão, Porto (POR) Group A
Referee: Pavel Královec (CZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Roman Slyško (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Martin Wilczek (CZE)
Fourth Official: Antonin Kordula (CZE)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Radek Přihoda (CZE)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Michal Patak (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Paul Krähenbühl (SUI)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stephen Bennett (ENG)
Referee Liaison Officer: Antonio Garrido Da Silva (POR)


(CRO) Dinamo Zagreb
GNK Dinamo Zagreb
Paris Saint-Germain FC
PSG (FRA)
Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 20:45 CET, Maksimir, Zagreb (CRO) Group A
Referee: Firat Aydinus (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Serkan Ok (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleks Tascioglu (TUR)
Fourth Official: Serkan Gençerler (TUR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Tolga Özkalfa (TUR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Koray Gençerler (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Mark Blackbourne (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vítor Melo Pereira (POR)
Referee Liaison Officer: Zeljko Grgeć (CRO)


(ENG) Arsenal
Arsenal FC
FC Schalke 04
Schalke 04 (GER)
Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 20:45 CET, Emirates, London (ENG) Group B
Referee: Jonas Eriksson (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mathias Klasenius (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Daniel Wärnmark (SWE)
Fourth Official: Stefan Wittberg (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Stefan Johannesson (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Martin Strömbergsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Rudolf Repka (CZE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alfredo Trentalange (ITA)
Referee Liaison Officer: Olivier Ray (ENG)


(FRA) Montpellier HSC
Montpellier Hérault SC
Olympiacos FC
Olympiacos (GRE)
Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 20:45 CET, La Mosson, Montpellier (FRA) Group B
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Luca Maggiani (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Massimiliano Grilli (ITA)
Fourth Official: Renato Faverani (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Paolo Mazzoleni (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Dennis Cruise (IRL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Manuel López Fernández (ESP)
Referee Liaison Officer: Alain Chiab (FRA)


(ESP) Málaga
Málaga CF
AC Milan
AC Milan (ITA)
Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 20:45 CET, La Rosaleda, Málaga (ESP) Group C
Referee: Pedro Proença (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Tiago Trigo (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Bertino Miranda (POR)
Fourth Official: Venâncio Raposo Tomé (POR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Duarte Gomes (POR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: João Capela (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Michal Listkiewicz (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rodger Gifford (WAL)
Referee Liaison Officer: Raúl Masso Zambudio (ESP)


(GER) Borussia Dortmund
Borussia Dortmund
Real Madrid CF
Real Madrid (ESP)
Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 20:45 CET, Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund (GER) Group D
Referee: Viktor Kassai (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: Gabor Erös (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: György Ring (HUN)
Fourth Official: Robert Kispál (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Tamás Bognar (HUN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Mihály Fabián (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Sune Hellströmer (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Oguz Sarvan (TUR)
Referee Liaison Officer: Günter Risse (GER)


(NED) Ajax
AFC Ajax
Manchester City FC
Man. City (ENG)
Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 20:45 CET, Amsterdam ArenA, Amsterdam (NED) Group D
Referee: Svein Oddvar Moen (NOR)
Assistant Referee 1: Kim Thomas Haglund (NOR)
Assistant Referee 2: Frank Andås (NOR)
Fourth Official: Sven Erik Midthjell (NOR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Tommy Skjerven (NOR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Brage Sandmoen (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Jozef Krula (SVK)
UEFA Referee Observer: Charles Agius (MLT)
Referee Liaison Officer: Peter van Dongen (NED)

167 Comments:

  1. Predictions
    Spartak-Benfica: Clattenburg
    Nordsjaelland-Juventus: Aytekin
    Shakhtar-Chelsea: Skomina
    Lille-Bayern: Mazic
    BATE-Valencia: Hagen
    Barcelona-Celtic: Strahonja
    Galatasaray-Cluj: Kuipers
    ManU-Braga: Tagliavento

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  2. Predictions

    Spartak - Benfica: Collum
    Nordjaelland - Juventus: Aytekin
    Shakhtar - Chelsea: Lannoy
    Lille - Bayern: Kuipers
    Bate - Valencia: Hagen
    Barcelona - Celtic: Kralovec
    Galatasarai - Cluj: Strahonja
    Man U - Braga: Rocchi

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  3. Zenit-Anderlecht: Todorov
    Malaga-Milan: Proenca
    Ajax-City: Chapron
    BVB-Real: Cakir
    Porto-Kyiv: Collum
    Dinamo-PSG: Gil
    Arsenal-Schalke: Rocchi
    Montpellier-Olympiacos: Thomson

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  4. Spartak-Benfica: Clattenburg
    Nordsjaelland-Juventus: Aytekin
    Shakhtar-Chelsea: Borbalan
    Lille-Bayern: Kuipers
    BATE-Valencia: Rasmussen
    Barcelona-Celtic: Skomina
    Galatasaray-Cluj: Gil
    ManU-Braga: Tagliavento
    Zenit-Anderlecht: Mazic
    Malaga-Milan: Thomson
    Ajax-City: Aydinus
    BVB-Real: Rizzoli
    Porto-Kyiv: Velasco
    Dinamo-PSG: Collum
    Arsenal-Schalke: Proenca
    Montpellier-Olympiacos: Orsato

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  5. Rocchi is charged in the course of the reprocessing of the fixing scandale in Italy.
    Probably his out, info comes from Chefren (goal.com).

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  6. Porto-Kiev Collum
    Zagreb PSG Gil
    Arsenal S04 Eriksson
    Montpellier Olympiacos Thomson
    Zenit Anderlech Strahonja
    Málaga ManCity Chapron
    Dortmund Real Madrid Cakir
    Nordsjaelland Juventus Aytekin
    Shakhtar Chelsea Moen
    Bate Valencia Hagen
    Lille Bayern Orsato
    Barca Celtic Aydinus
    Benfica Spartak Clatts
    Galatasaray Cluj Kuipers
    ManU Braga Tagliavento

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  7. No Spanish and Polish referees in this matchday for sure ;)

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    1. Polish appointments:
      6-7 Nov - Champions League match - Paweł Gil
      25 Oct - Europa League - Szymon Marciniak
      8 Nov - Europa League - Robert Małek

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    2. No Borski?

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    3. Unfortunately he was poor in both: CL play-off and CL group stage matches. It's quite sure now he will be demoted to 1st Category and Paweł Gil will replace him in Elite Development. Marciniak's advance to 1st Category is more than sure I think.

      It's a bit strange Małek will get a match. He was suspended as well as another FIFA referee Adam Lyczmański for many poor performances in a row for all level matches in Poland from 18 December to 19 October. Lyczmańki will referee 2nd level match tomorrow but Małek is still missing in appointments... It may be his final chance. Good performance = still FIFA ref + still 1st Category ref. Poor performance = demotion to 2nd Category + write off FIFA list.
      In addition to this Adam Lyczmański was written off the FIFA list from 2013. Paweł Raczkowski will replace him.

      Also Dawid Piasecki was removed. The reason isn't clear to formulate it kindly. He is not appointed for some matchdays, UEFA like him I think, but they're probably bad contacts with our head of referees in this case. Piasecki's place will get Daniel Stefański (the best Polish referee along with Marciniak I think).

      I'm quite sure Marciniak will be in ED soon ;)

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    4. If you want my opinion Malek should be demoted last year. Seems a referee who has lost his interest.

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  8. Well, about your predictions, I have one thing to say: Croatian team is appointed for Champions League Matchday 3, but referee is not Strahonja it is Bebek.

    Champions League, Matchday 3
    Ivan Bebek, Tomislav Petrović, Miro Grgić, Domagoj Vučkov, Goran Gabrilo, Dalibor Conjar.

    All best from Croatia :)

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    1. Thanks! The same story like Kralovec' one. 1C - ED - 1C - ED - ? (probably Elite). I think Bebek has his chances as well: 1C - ED - 1C - ?

      By the way, who is better referee in Croatia? Who gets better appointments?

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    2. Well it seems that Bebek is still considered in UEFA circles. One thing is sure. The Bebek we see at 2012 has nothing to do with the Premier Development Bebek of 2009. He is more mature and doesn't make the same mistake with his cards.

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    3. This is a good massage to rest of referees demoted from Premier Development... Performance is basically primary driver of further appoitments, and promotions.

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    4. petschovschi21/10/12 12:08

      This is not valid for all the referees who were demoted from Elite or ED.
      Refereees like Kralovec or Bebek are still young (born in 1977) and they can be use for many years in the future.
      But I don't think that referees like Tudor or Balaj (both are born in 1971) will have any chance to reach again. I give that example because I'm from Romania but I think it's true also for Duhamel, Nikolaev, Hansson, Johanesson etc.

      Indeed, what counts is performance, but you have to be young enough in order to be promoted (or re-promoted).

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  9. The appointment for Dortmund-Real will give some hints for the following matches in this group. Each matchday, there is one big clash (BVB-Real, Real-BVB, City-Real, BVB-City). Taking the involved countries into consideration, there is only a small group of refs who are allowed and able to officate. IMO these ones are Cakir, Proenca, Rizzoli, Kassai, Eriksson, (Thomson only for the two games between BVB and Real).
    I personally expect Kassai in BVB-Real because he seems most suitable to handle this match which may be very emotinoal.

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  10. Aydinus may have a CL match this week; not a very strong source, but conveninent to publish

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  12. It's a good news the appointment of Bebek, we should remember his career a few years ago, at first he was on the list for South Africa 2010, along with Einwaller. He was also going to become an Elite referee, but at the end he wasn't able.
    As never happened before, I think that this year UEFA is forced to appoint many different referees or this CL group stage, also from Category 1 and not only Elite Dev. There are several reasons: first of all, the restrictions for each group (often it's difficult to find the needed official from a certain country), then the fact that 21 Elite referees are a low number. We have to consider Benquerença and Lannoy always out, the mistakes made by Stark, Vad (Elite Development) which is still not considered ready after EURO2012, and therefore it's clear that not only Elite development but also Category 1 men, have their chance in this tournament this year.
    I haven't the time to make predictions, but I think that the Italian referee this week in Champions League will be Tagliavento.
    Regards

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    1. Galatasaray - Cluj
      Paolo Tagliavento
      Mauro Tonolini - Lorenzo Manganelli
      Luca Banti - Antonio Damato
      Andrea Stefani


      :)

      (I still didn't know that, when I wrote my previous message, believe me)

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  13. I will observe Bebek, if you agree. Or we might also have two observers for that, to my mind very important.

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    1. Well, nothing against you, I think Bebek need neutral observer, I don't want to be rude, but we all know you don't like Bebek Niclas. Two observers or one neutral.

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    2. Because I called Bebek's red card in Lyon-Schalke harsh, because I stated his performance in Bilbao (vs Salzburg) was scandalous? That were only facts, I have nothing against him but consider it as a right decision to give officials a 2nd chance, also as he is born in 1977 and has big prospect. So I cannot understand you to be honest, by the way, when calling me not neutral towards a certain official, then please with your name and not with that hidden anonymous..

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  14. Skomina Shakhtar Chelsea

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  15. Rocchi is there, I have no explanations for that, probably UEFA doesn't want to consider his situation, or maybe they appoint him before the sentence.

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  16. It was clear Mazic would get a huge match and there it is, in the end a logical appointment and I expect a committee member there.

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    1. Anyway, not that huge in my opinion.
      Manchester shoud have en easy win there... (in my opinion, of course)

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  17. Interesting Skomina already got two big matches in this year Champions league
    So if he performs well maybe he can get semi-final call in Champions league ?

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    1. I think that he could get more then 3 matches in CL group stage, this year.
      Considering that he shows always consistent performance, he is young and from a country never involved in any CL match.
      (and of course he is loved by committee)

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  18. Watching Skomina's appointment, Jug should be in Europa League on thursday.

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  19. Absolutely. Vincic and Balazic on his bylines with Stancin and Kogej as assistants (I presume).
    And right, ManU-Braga is not the biggest clash, but having Camp Nou and Old Trafford in a row ..

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  20. With those appointments, I would predict the next ones like that:

    Zenit-Anderlecht: Bebek
    Malaga-Milan: Moen
    Ajax-City: Chapron
    BVB-Real: Cakir
    Porto-Kyiv: Collum
    Dinamo-PSG: Rasmussen
    Arsenal-Schalke: Kuipers
    Montpellier-Olympiacos: Proenca

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  21. Hi IVAN BEBEK came back in CHAMPIONS-LEAGUE?

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    1. Yes, a good news for him.
      Don't you agree?
      He is anyway still young.
      1977 born.

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  22. Spartak Moskva - Benfica

    UEFA Referee's Observer: Athanasios Briakos (GRE)


    Logical appointments to my mind. But they don't seem to spread them too much. 2 English Referees and 2 Italian's for 8 matches.

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  23. Another info

    Lille LOSC - Bayern Munchen

    UEFA Delegate: Adonis Prokopiou (CYP)

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  24. Normally Procopiou goes with Reijgwaart, at least it happened more than once. Reijgwaart for Atkinson would however make no sense, he normally observes referees from lower categories considered for promotion.

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  25. NO CAKIR FOR BVB-REAL.

    Observers
    BVB Real Oguz Sarvan (TUR)
    Ajax City Charles Agius (MLT)
    Malaga Milan Rodger Gifford (WAL)
    Zenit Anderlecht Vassaras (GRE) -> 100% Bebek
    Montpellier Olympiacos Lopez Fernandez (ESP)
    Arsenal Schalke Trentalange (ITA)
    Dinamo PSG Melo Pereira (POR)
    Porto Kyiv Bennett (ENG)

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  26. BVB-Real: Kassai
    Ajax-City: Moen
    Malage-Milan: Proenca
    Zenit-Anderlecht: Bebek
    Montpellier-Olympiacos: Orsato
    Arsenal-Schalke: Eriksson
    Dinamo-PSG: Aydinus
    Porto-Kyiv: Kralovec

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  27. Benquerenca and Nijhuis in Europa LEague

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  28. Rubin-Neftci: Hansen
    Inter-Partizan: Liany
    Sparta-Kiryat: Makkelie
    Lyon-Athletic: Marriner
    Panathinaikos-Lazio: Gomez
    Maribor-Tottenham: Karasev
    Rosenborg-Metalist: Benquerenca
    Rapid-Leverkusen: Teixeira
    Helsingborg-Hannover: Studer
    Levante-Twente: Bezborodov
    Videoton-Basel: Zelinka
    Genk-Sporting: Marcininak

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  29. Liverpool-Anji: Nijhuis
    Young Boys-Udinese: Turpin
    Atletico-Academica: Madden
    Tel Aviv-Plzen: Zwayer
    Mönchengladbach-Marseille: Gumienny
    AEL-Fenerbahce: Tudor
    Newcastle-Brugge: Hansson
    Maritimo-Bordeaux: Kakos
    Steaua-Molde: Duhamel
    Stuttgart-Kobenhavn: Soares
    PSV-AIK: Aleckovic
    Dnipro-Napoli: Göcek

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  30. And these are the observers.

    Nijhuis (Liverpool-Anzhi): Lutz Michael Fröhlich (GER)
    Turpin (Young Boys-Udinese): Edgar Steinborn (GER)
    Madden (Atlético-Académica): Paul Allaerts (BEL)
    Zwayer (Hapoel-Plzen): Christos Skapoullis (CYP)
    Gumienny (M'gladbach-Marseille): Sergey Zuev (RUS)
    Tudor (AEL-Fener): Cosimo Bolognino (ITA)
    Hansson (Newcastle-Brugge): Patrick Kelly (IRL)
    Kakos (Maritimo-Bordeaux): Leslie Irvine (NIR)
    Duhamel (Steaua-Molde): Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)
    Soares (Stuttgart-Kobenhavn): Bertrand Layec (FRA)
    Aleckovic (PSV-AIK): Marc Batta
    Göcek (Dnipro-Napoli): Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
    Zelinka (Videoton-Basel): Luis Medina Cantalejo (ESP)
    Marciniak (Genk-Sporting): Herbert Fandel
    Hansen (Rubin-Neftci): Dr. Vaclav Krondl (CZE)
    Liany (Inter-Partizan): Juan Antonio Fernandez Marin (ESP)
    Makkelie (Sparta-Kiryat): Horst Brummeier (AUT)
    Marriner (Lyon-Athletic): Kyros Georgiou (CYP)
    Clos Gómez (Panathinaikos-Lazio): Kaj Natri (FIN)
    Karasev (Maribor-Tottenham): Zdravko Jokic (SRB)
    Benquerenca (Rosenborg-Metalist): Georgios Bikas (GRE)
    Teixeira Vitienes (Wien-Leverkusen): Asim Khudiyev (AZE)
    Studer (Helsingborg-Hannover): Uno Tutk (EST)
    Bezborodov (Levante-Twente): Guy Goethals (BEL)

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    1. Who is Aleckovic?
      Anyone with any idea on his performances?
      Appointed match seems normal, however observer is remarkable

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    2. He joined u17 World Cup and had three matches, I had the luck to see him twice in German matches. Overall solid, good bases related to physical aspects and style, but sometimes no consistent line in foul detection.

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    3. Probably Niclas you mean U17 Euro 2 years ago and not World Cup.

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    4. I hope he can have a better future than his well-known compatriot Novo Panic, which was able to join UEFA cup group stage, too.
      Therefore, not a debut for a referee from Bosnia - Herzagovina.

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    5. Oh sorry, I meant u17 EURO in 2012.

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    6. Hah, Cantalejo observed Kralovec in CL City-Dortmund, now Zelinka in EL Videoton-Basel. Seems like Cantalejo "likes" referees from Czech Rep :)

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  31. Marciniak last three observers: Elleray, Batta, Fandel...

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  32. So, the penalty given by Kralovec was a correct decision, according to UEFA.
    I'm speechless.

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    1. We knew that :P

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    2. Yes I remember, but I didn't want to believe that.
      Now I have to force myself...

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    3. Even if it had been a mistake it would have been a strong 7.9. I would not say that this mark would not have allowed him any CL match anymore, furthermore it was no totally clear mistake as opinions diverge there.

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    4. Report is released, apart from penalty decision, he handled the match very well, IMO. Very good decisions by ARs, penalty is a discussion point day and night...But, I am still against it

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  33. Istvan Vad still out from each Hungarian appointment.
    He is going to skip the whole group stage phase.
    It's also possible that UEFA wants to demote him....

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    1. petschovschi22/10/12 22:38

      Yes, serious punishment for Vad after Euro 2012. But it's normal because he destroyed the Platini's concept with AARs.

      About possible demotion we can't be sure. In 2nd half of last season there were many referees without a game but were not demoted: Stavrev, Aydinus, Borski, Orsato (all failed fitness test in Antalya), Nijhuis (without explanation), Benquerenca (injury).

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    2. Borski should be "ready for demotion", while Rasmussen did not show the best performance in front of Vassaras at MD1. So he could be demoted as well. Nijhuis should be a candidate as well. Karasev and Hategan should move up.

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    3. petschovschi23/10/12 14:54

      Imho a final decision will be taken regarding Chapron: Elite (probably) or 1st cat. He's in ED since january 2010, he spent already 3 years as ED referee which seems to be a lot of time (for example, in july Kelly was demoted after 3 years in ED).
      Also the situation of Grafe should be decided because he's in ED since july 2010.

      Most probable promotions:
      - Kralovec and Chapron to Elite
      - Karasev and Hategan to ED

      Some possible switches:
      - Borski out, Gil in
      - Grafe out, Aytekin in

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    4. Borski's demotion should be sure after these two performances, also regarding that he is not appointed for EL, nor CL on MD3 and 4, which can mean a lot, or nothing.

      You are right. Lannoy is injured, we do not know how long it will take him. Probably UEFA (and/or FIFA) could target at having a referee as reserve from France for World Cup. We know that Chapron was on the pre list before 2012, so that could be possible, as I often stated, his international performances in the last months were good.

      Gräfe started in Rostock-Aachen last week after his injury, I think he is too old and should be demoted soon, which does not mean that he is no good ref and could not have achieved a lot. It is also interesting whether they will perhaps replace Fernández after his many crucial mistakes by Mateu Lahoz.

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    5. Only four referees are considered for promotion: Hagen, Kralovec, Strahonja, Stavrev we were informed about that here in Norway. So if there will be promoted referees to elite, only those four. About other names: Chapron is too long in ED, nothing special, so cat1 is logical. Gräfe was injured for a long time, he lost his time for "development" so I think switch Gräfe-Aytekin is possible. Borski and Borbalan due to bad performances also should be demoted.

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    6. And Orsato, for now, has still to wait because there are already three Italian referees in Elite :)
      Your post is consistent, I think that all you wrote it's the truth.

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  34. Also interesting that Matej Jug hasnt been appointed to any Europa league match in this season .Comparison to his last year season he got 5 Europa league matches.

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  35. Its a mistake on the page, says (TUR) Galatasaray vs CFR Cluj (ROU) instead of BVB vs Real

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  36. CALCIOPOLI CORUPTIONS ROCCHI GOOD-BYE " CIAO-ARIWEDERCI"

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  37. Can you change the club names in the Dortmund v Real match to their correct names. At present it stands as Galatasaray v CFR Cluj. Thank you.

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  38. Was already changed yesterday, thanks.

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  39. DRAGAN NIKOLOVSKI:
    For all of you to can make better predictions, according to my sources - ALEKSANDAR STAVREV will have his 2nd CL match this season (3rd in his career) on November 6th.

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    1. Thank you.
      The mistake made in Moscow should not affect this appointment, in BATE - Bayern he was ok.
      All the Elite development referees are appointed only in Champions League, this year.
      Aydinus, Stavrev, Orsato, Chapron, Borski, Kralovec, Mazic and so on.
      I think in matchday 4 there will be also Tom Harald Hagen.
      The only referee in trouble here is Vad, as already said...

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    2. Thanks a lot. I predict that he will get Anderlecht-Zenit, Juventus-Nordsjaelland should be for a 1st Group ref.

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  40. DRAGAN NIKOLOVSKI:
    I see Stavrev's "mistake" in Moscow (if it really was a mistake, I don't think so), as UEFA obviously sees the Kralovec's "mistake" (according to me, it was not mistake).
    I don't like to make comparisons. However, I think that all of us here are too subjective and too severe towards referees that we didn't like. Very often we make conclusions based on our sypmathies. Maybe that's the reason why sometimes our oppinions are different from UEFA's.

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    1. petschovschi23/10/12 15:12

      I have nothing against Stavrev but he made a crucial mistake in Rus- Aze.
      In 84' he gave a penalty for Russia for a foul. Russia scored and won 1-0.
      But it was obviously that the contact between forward and defender started outside the area (~1m outside).

      P.S: few minutes before, it was another contact in the penalty area that could have been penalty...

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    2. You make conclusions based on your sympathies?

      Rewatch the penalty given by him, the foul occurs approximately 40-50 cms outside the box. That is a fact one cannot discuss about.
      And concerning Kralovec, please do not diminish the work we try to do on the referee who is concerned. What I tried to outline in the thread about the penalty in Manchester was an analysis of the scene, not of the referee and sometimes I do not know how to make that clearer.

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    3. No mistake? http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3052/2akv7ix4_jpg.htm

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    4. It is my belief that UEFA doesn't really care about possible mistakes in FIFA matches. Not like EURO and EURO qualifiers (remember Blom) where UEFA own the organization. So Stavrev's appointment was not affected from his mistake and of course appointments were made days before the WC qualifiers.

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  41. DRAGAN NIKOLOVSKI:
    Sоrry Niclas, but... I have an impression that you try to underestimate everyone here that has different opinion than you or eeveryone who suggests that someone else could be right, and not you.
    I respect your football and refereeing knowledge, but i don't let anyone to forbid me what to think or to tell me how should i see some situation.
    I'm sure you will feel the same if we were in opposite situation, if I had similar blog, for example.
    Of course, I have many similar opinions to yours (that's the reason why i write here my real name and i'm not anonimous) and i will continue to appreciate you and your enthusiastic (!!!) work here.

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  42. I do not devaluate your opinion or you as a person, first of all. If you state that "we" (who is we by the way?) are not neutral in certain cases, you should give arguments or if not, you must be prepared that we/I do not react in a manner you totally like.

    I appreciate your criticism and previous comment, but cannot bear these phrases like "do not evaluate situations in a certain manner because you favour or dislike this certain ref". That is not criticism but destructive bluster. I ensure you that our observations, although they have been reduced in form of reports during the last months, are written neutrally. What we write here are our opinions, trying to bolster them with good arguments, I can only speak for myself that I consider situations when I analyze them, not referees, I hope I meet your criticism here.

    We can discuss about every situation, but then do not only say: Kralovec' penalty was correct from my point of view - you certainly have good arguments, also because UEFA supports your point, so just let us know your arguments. Or with Stavrev. A foul starting 40 cm outside the box, how do you want to call that no mistake without giving any explanation? I cannot understand that.

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    1. According to the LOTG interpretation, if a foul starts outside the penalty area and it continues inside the penalty area, the correct decision is a penalty kick.

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    2. DRAGAN NIKOLOVSKI
      I understand and appreciate your work here, as I say.. But everything I have written was my general impression about your reactions to comments made of other people on this blog. I don't participate very often, but I certainly follow the discussions here.
      And of course, Stavrev's case here was not reason for my last comments. There are better and better protected referees than him, of course, but don't try to assure me that some specific names are bigger talents that him, just because from the first moment you think that he deserves not to be in his Group. I don't want to mention names from reasonable reasons..
      At the and, about some situations, it is maybe normal that we have different opinions, but why should I think that mine is objective and yours is not (or vice versa).. I congratulate to your enthusiastic work, but we can read here also other people who think differently than you and also have arguments for that..
      My remarks are with good will, believe me.. :)

      P.S.
      Sorry for the comment without my name.. You can delete him..

      P.S 2
      Interesting remark about LOTG intepretation. :)

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    3. That's a point of discussion, thanks. The action started outside, from my point of view this touch was the foul, the striker fell and hence further contacts could not be avoided. So it was no continued foul play like if you pull your opponent for 2 seconds or stuff, but a penalizable touch outside the box.
      At any rate, I make that clear, does not matter whether we consider it as right or wrong: it was difficult for Stavrev himself, because the striker naturally fell into the box. Perhaps I have again the opposite opinion compared to the official observer who was in Moscow, might be.
      And yes, at the beginning I thought Stavrev would not be good enough for Elite (because ED is of course aimed at creating new Elite referees), in many matches he had a weak foul detection and what I always said, he is better without Kirovski and Krstevski. I have seen four matches of this crew last year and there have been always minimum 1 or 2 grave offside errors. BATE-Bayern was a good match by Stavrev, so let's wait for his next one.

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  43. By the way, who wants to observe what?
    I am going to focus on Clattenburg and Bebek (and Eriksson, but as a fan, so no report).
    If noone is there for Mazic, I can make it, or just what is missing.

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    1. Those are the matches I'm able to report on:
      Borussia Dortmund - Real Madryt
      Lille - Bayern Monachium
      Manchester United - Sporting Braga
      Ajax Amsterdam - Manchester City
      Malaga CF - AC Milan
      FC Barcelona - Celtic Glasgow
      Arsenal Londyn - Schalke Gelsenkirchen
      Szachtar Donieck - Chelsea Londyn
      Europa League:
      Liverpool - Anży Machaczkała (Bas Nijhuis)


      By the way, I finally finished first CL matchday in my reporting ;) 5 new reports available at refmarks - Rizzoli, Stark, Mazić, Aydinus, Proenca.

      Published reports are based on UEFA scale. Niclas, change a scale under the link if you can.

      Regards from Poland!

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    2. No, I can't, but recognized the mistake as well.
      Thanks to all of you for your reports, I will publish my ones as well during the next days (started with Hategan now).

      Yun Hyeon, would be fine to have Ajax-City and Arsenal-Schalke made by you and also this EL match. Thanks in advance! If you can do more, make it..
      I will probably take Gumienny in EL, or more likely Soares Dias.

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  44. Stavrev and Strahonja CL MD 4...Info from Makedonian and Croatian FF

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    1. Stavrev, Kirovski, Kostadinov, Meckarovski, Spirkoski, Sirilov
      Strahonja, Premuzaj, Krmar, Pristovnik, Vucemilovic, ?

      Can you confirm full teams?

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    2. Modrić or Pataki should be fourth official

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    3. Florian Meyer is back in CL (MD 4).

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  45. Clattenburg with a calm evening, smaller mistakes and one crucial situation correct (no handball penalty in 24').

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  46. BEBEK COME-BACK in CHAMPIONS-LEAGUE CROAZIAN young REFEREE & STRACHONJA DUE BESTE CROAZIAN REFS

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  47. Ps. TRE refs GRAFE-GERMANIA, BORSKI-POLISH & VAD-UNGHERIA out ED group. AYTEKIN-GERMANIA, GIL-POLISH, BEBEK-CROAZIA & KARASEV-RUSIA in ED

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    1. Two Croatians in ED? Does anybody know whether that is possible?

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    2. These news come from reliable sources?

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    3. Yes, two Croatians in ED are possible. Bebek and Strahonja are both great this season. But there is chance for Strahonja to be promoted in elite so, there would be only Bebek in ED.

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    4. As I know it has happened before with Malek and Gilewski both in Premier Development then at 2008. And then Malek was demoted and Gilewski was taken off.

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    5. If the info is correct, these would be good choices by UEFA.

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  48. See the penalty offered by atkinson to Bayern against Lille....no comment....

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  49. Two difficult situations for Aytekin in first half, at first Buffon (Juventus keeper) hit the ball with his chest out of penalty area. It seemed a handball, but it wasn't. Excellent NO CALL by Aytekin.
    Second decision: handball by a Danish player in penalty area, it wasn't deliberate, the arm was in a natural position (close to the rest of the body), furthermore he was not looking at ball. Correct decision, no penalty.

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  50. Intense game in Turkey, as it seems. 6 yellow cards including the red card for Cluj and a penalty for Galatasaray - which they missed. It is worth mentioning that the two yellow cards which led to the sending off came within the range of only three minutes - minute 24 and 28... Very good for Tagliavento if these decisions are evaluated to be correct.

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    1. I have also seen Tagliavento, he was really in a consistent line with card policy. He showed no understanding due to bad weather conditions. But, that was needed. He was harsh with complaints, as well.
      Penalty for Galatasaray is totally wrong IMO, no intentional play with hand,and first YC to Aguirregaray (CLJ) was seemingly harsh which resulted in RC with his second YC in 3 minutes.
      That was a hard match to handle with terrific natural conditional for football. However, Referee has it mistakes...

      My Final mark: 8.1

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  51. Mazic with a couple of great advantage situations. Good no penalty call when Buttner went to the ground. But AR1 with clear offside mistake with disallowed goal.

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  52. I did not see that, watched a simulcast and thus must watch Mazic in full length.

    Some comments.
    Atkinson with a too harsh penalty to Bayern, gave another one not of the same manner to Lille, and did not whistle a handball like in Man City-BVB. So what now? UEFA should put it onto their agenda.
    Thomson with correct penalty, specially AR1 with great onsides/offsides.
    Mazic with excellent advantage prior to 1-2, no offside AR1 in the 1-2, good. Big offside error by AR2 though (65').
    Tagliavento with two crucial errors. The penalty he gave was wrong, no deliberate handball. The defender was pushed in the air and thus lost control of his body and touched the ball with his hand. He missed a penalty to Galatasaray in the early stage of the clash. 2nd yellow was a soft call, could not detect a contact from my replays. Had no control in this intense match, always yelled at the players.

    And Mullarkey did not run the lines but switched to the 4th official spot.

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    1. Now watched Tagliavento situations.
      My opinion: the second card to Aguirregaray was correct. I think that the opponent was able to fall theatrically, nevertheless a small contact happened and that was enough in order to evaluate it as tactical foul. Otherwise, I can't justify a so blatant fall in the middle of the pitch.
      Tagliavento was close.
      The big mistake was anyway the given penalty, I'm going on to believa that all the handballs are going to be evaluated as intentional by UEFA referees, and this is a very bad thing.
      Furthermore, in that situation, not only the player is jumping and so we have to justify the position of this arm, but he is also pushed by opponent.
      The last and absurd thing is that without that touch the ball was going to be caught (probably) by Cluj defenders, instead, after that touch, the ball went to a Turkish player, so it was even an assist for Galatasaray.
      Absolutely unintentional also for this reason, I don't like when a referee whistle a penalty for handball so easily, he has to take into account many aspects.
      And finally, take a look at the penalty, when Felipe Melo shoots the ball: many Rumenian players in the area near him.
      Penalty to be repeated, but this is another speech...
      Therefore, a performance with a clear big mistake in a crucial call.





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    2. I forgot a note for Niclas: also here in Italy Tagliavento often is accustomed to yell at players, in order to keep control.
      I don't like this behavior by a referee. Acting in that way, he appears as a arrogant person.

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  53. For those who are interested: yesterday in Malta was played a friendly between Malta Under 21 and a team made by Italian serie B players, called "B Italia".
    Match was refereed by Christos Nikolaides, Cyprian FIFA referee.

    Now, I would try to summarize something about CL matches played yesterday. I haven't watched the whole games, anyway based on the info and other stuff, I can state:
    1) Solid performance by Skomina, another important match without problems for him
    2) I could accept penalty call by Atkinson, the problem is that the same thing happened in the other area, and therefore no consistency, it was thank to his decision that Bayern won, too harsh
    3) Rocchi excellent performance, the only situation to understand is Celtic goal, but at the end irrelevant
    4) Mazic showed a good use of advantages and no difficult situation for him in the match, the mistake made by his assistant was anyway blatant but luckily irrelevant at the end
    5) Tagliavento with a very difficult match to handle, here I haven't watched so I trust Niclas. Probably later I will download the match
    6) Aytein excellent debut in Champions League with 2 difficult situations to read in first half, well evaluated. Assistants faultless
    7) Thomson with a very good match, including penalty, it's a good news
    8) I ha ven't watched Clattenburg, therefore I trust Niclas again


    Overall, a good tuesday... I will be able to say more about the most discussed match (Galatasaray - Cluj) soon.



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    1. petschovschi24/10/12 11:43

      Regarding Aytekin's asistants, I wouldn't say they were faultless...
      In 1st half imo AAR2 missed an offside at Giovinco who missed a huge chance to score (his shot didn't find an empty net) !

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    2. Did anyone see the whole Skomina's match? I only catched the stoppage time of the 2nd half and IMO he missed two YC in a couple of minutes (harsh foul and obvious dissent).

      It would have been interesting if he got injured, though. Two non-FIFA referees behind the goals (Ponis and Peric) with no serious international experience whatsoever.

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    3. If you know Skomina's style...
      I'm not saying that he was right, but this is his style and UEFA seems to appreciate.

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    4. @petschovschi

      I missed that situation, now watched. Very difficult, probably offside, but not easy to see, for sure, a borderline call. I can still accept the NO FLAG. Do you agree?

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    5. I know Skomina's style. I was just wondering if someone had watched the whole match to share with us more specific how he had been, because I won't find the time to watch the reply myself.

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    6. Just a comment on Skomina, he applied two excellent advantages before goals (1-0 and 2-1). Good card management from what I saw, friendly approach and good interactions with players.
      I forgot to state that Atkinson refused three very clear advantages (counterattacks) to Lille in the very last minutes, because he found booking Bayern players more attractive.

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  54. HELLO
    somebody nom Emir Alecković (BIH) because Marc Batta will see him...

    thanks

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  55. To my mind, excellent NO FLAG by first assistant Petrović, prior to penalty situation.
    The subsequent penalty seems correct although Zenit player falls in a too theatrical way. The irregular action by defender is blatant.

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    1. Here:
      http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/3053/4a7eval4_jpg.htm

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  56. MALAGA MILAN first half
    Penalty suggested by João Capela to Proença, in my opinion a wrong decision.

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  57. Eros Gabor with a big mistake at Dortmund. Dortmund player inside the penalty area is onside (3 defenders are covering him) but he calls offside.

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    1. Unbelievable YC given by Eriksson to Afellay for simulation, it was a penalty.

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    2. No I don't think so. He fell before there was a contact, I accept the call and he cautioned Gervinho for a comparable situation later on as well, so there is consistency.
      Good performance all in all, although Klasenius wrongly flagged Farfán offside in 51' appearing freely in front of the goalkeeper.

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  58. 1 ;45 min BORUSSIA vs REAL REFEREE - KASSAI OK AR.1 EROES 43 MIN BŁĘDE DECIS in OFFSID. NO OFSAID
    AR.2 RING in BŁĘDE DECIS

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  59. Kassai with so many wrong foul calls in 1st half. I'm stunned. His foul detection is very weak today. And big mistake by Mr. Ring, shortly before half time, no offside there. And he missed a yellow card to Hummels in minute 59' for a bad tackling.

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    1. You mean Eros not Ring. Min 41' his mistake. And he did another one at min. 75' calling an offside at Higuain when again 2 players were behind him. 2 BIG mistakes.

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    2. yes, I was wrong...

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  60. Moen is doing well, some minor mistakes and a missed YC for City player. Excellent positioning and fitness. Hell of a surprise in Amsterdam btw.

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  61. BORUSSIA vs REAL 2-1 UNGERIEN REFEREES NOTS
    VIKTOR KASSAI- 8.9 BEAUTY TWO DECIS in 11- no fauls
    AR.1 -GABOR EROES- 7.5 BŁĘDE OFSIDE- no ofside
    AR.2 -GYORGYI RING- 7.5 BŁEDE DECIS FULS PEPE- no faul

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  62. To my mind, very good by Kassai. Don't do an unneccessary nitpicking. Two great non-penalty calls, foul detection was quite well in such high-paced match. Gabor Eros again with two mistakes that weren't important but really clear as well (41', 74'). Vamos with one great offside call in 5'. High mark to Mihaly Fabian who greatly signaled no-foul by Pepe and correctly not awarded corner kick to Borussia. Kassai fell on one dive but his overall performance was very good.
    KASSAI - 8.4
    EROS - 8.1
    RING - 8.3
    KISPAL - 8.0
    BOGNAR - 8.0
    FABIAN - 8.4

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    1. Vamos?
      You meant Ring.
      Regards...

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    2. My marks will be a little different. Kassai needed at least 3 more yellow cards. Also foul detection was satisfying but with some obvious mistakes. I agree with Fabian (involvement at the 2 non-penalty calls). But as for Eros his mistakes were very big if you take into account that both situation were efforts on goal.

      Marks tomorrow with the report.

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    3. I was not nitpicking but only reporting Kassai's and his teams errors. Of course he had full control during the game and his authority was seldomly questioned by players. This is because of his friendly and communicative style which we all appreciate. But I wouldn't call his performance "very good" if you take into account all this mistakes (phantom fouls, offsides, at least two yellow cards missed to Dortmund players, one for diving and the other one for a bad tackling). And he was to some extent influenced in his foul decisions by the crowd's and players reactions.
      Guys, if you read the match reports and comments on worldreferee.com and on this blog, you will learn that all this things I've mentioned are already well known. In terms of control, authority and match fluency, Kassai is really outstanding. But when it comes to card policy and foul detection, then I and a lot of others in our community are a little bit more skeptical.

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    4. OK, so explain me if you can why the hell Proenca was able to get two finals in row being sometimes just poor in foul detection? And why Kassai got the final? And why Webb got the final. They all are perfect refs in personality and they all make mistakes in foul detection and card management. However, UEFA doesn't want to punish them. In contrary, UEFA gave them finals.
      I can say you from the source, UEFA observer never looks on minor mistakes like Kassai's today (i.e. missed dive + missed two cards). It's some kind of hierarchy. 1. big calls, 2. control, personality, approach, 3. the rest of calls. That's why we see Proenca, Kassai, Skomina, Webb in the greatest matches. You remember Euro, Lannoy was making many minor mistakes but he didn't make a big mistake, so he was appointed for the semi-final.
      I thought the same when I didn't know 'the rules' of 'professional evaluating'. Minor mistakes, missed card, bla bla bla... That all function in a bit other way. As I mentioned, referee got the big calls right - the mark can't be lower than 8.3. Kassai got two big calls right, he was outstanding in style/control/approach/communication. It's enough to give him 8.4 even 8.5.
      We must know observer can't do replays many times. He evaluates situation as referee than he watch it in a room with referee. He asks referees about the call. If there is ONE small reason to accept this call it wouldn't be recognize as a crucial mistake. See Kralovec' penalty call in the last match. It was enough referee could say unnatural position = correct call.
      UEFA don't looking for ideal referee/machine. UEFA're looking for good personality, consistent and don't care about small mistakes.
      Don't take my words as attack on you, pls. Only want to make clear how UEFA observers evaluate referees. Everyone can have own opinion and it's a football beauty.

      Regards!

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    5. Thanks for sharing your interresting insigts in evaluating referee performances. I didn't take your words as an attack, far from it!
      I'm not a professional observer at all.

      I fully understand UEFA' policy not to rely on small mistakes as you have explained. We all now (since Massimo Busacca reminded us at EURO 2008... ;-), that referees are human and will make mistakes in every match, so mistakes are normal.
      I know UEFA and FIFA want the big calls to be right.
      But this system can lead to a certain injustice. Compare for exemple Kassai and Vad. Im my opinion, these are two referees with almost the same quality. Vad made a really big mistake in front of thousands of viewers all around the world, and UEFA has obviously lost faith in him. He will never be in ELITE category. Kassai had luck, he has never made a big mistake. But remember Terje Hauge: He had a similar style and similar success like Kassai. Then, his penalty/red card call in CL final happened, the he never got big matches anymore. What I want to say is: Yo can be the best referee of the world in terms of personality, consistency an so on, but one single call can ruin your career. There will be no forgiveness for you. But UEFA always says referees are human they all make mistakes, but there are some kind of mistakes which were not forgiven. Does a world class referee become a bad referee if he makes a big mistakes? I don't think so, but UEFA certainly does.

      I want to stress that there is a certain amount of luck with decisions to get to the highest category. And of course, there is politics in referees designations, we all know that.
      To summarize it all: I really like Kassais style he got rightly his CL final. And of course he will referee many CL matches again. But even a referee like hin can learn a lot of a match like this.

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    6. Thanks a lot for understanding. I always say 'don't take it as personal attack' because sometimes people overreact (I have such situation twice here and just don't want to repeat it) :)
      It's great point: 'UEFA always says referees are human they all make mistakes, but there are some kind of mistakes which were not forgiven. Does a world class referee become a bad referee if he makes a big mistakes?' Therefore, I like English policy. There if referee made big mistake he's still considered for next matchday. They think it's normal and it is. Saying referee is a human and then suspend him after one big mistake is a hypocritical approach, no doubt.
      And yes, every, even the best referee should learn from his matches. Collina said it last time.
      Regards, thank you for a discussion!

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  63. By the way, I wonder when Hungarian federation will replace Gabor Eros with another assistant.
    Let me be honest, he doesn't deserve to accompany Kassai in further matches.
    Too many and blatant mistakes, I hope that the choice on the road to Brazil 2014 will be different, it they change now, the new selected assistant could have a long time in which improving the agreement with his team.
    Vamos is out due to age, Kispal is too old, even though he could be in Brazil (1969).
    Therefore: Istvan Albert, Oszkar Lemon, Attila Szpisjak, Vencel Toth, Zsolt Varga, Laszlo Viszokai, they have any candidates. I think that it's not difficult to offer better performance than Eros, even though he is experienced, let me say that he got everything and it would be also a good choice to give a chance to a different man, due to his last poor performances.
    It's not a speech against him... but if Istvan Vad has paid with a so big punishment his mistake, we should remember that it happened after another mistake by Eros.

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  64. Chefren.

    I totally disagree with you. When I saw it first I thought clear penalty. But when I looked at the replays he's spot on. Fantastic decision that UEFA will support all the way.

    Affelay starts to go down when he sees Mannone coming on the side. Looses his legs and looks for the contact.

    I'll promise you that UEFA will support. Look at the replays. You can see it there.

    Best regards,

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  65. @Edward
    I took into account his small mistakes that players accepted as well. I'm sure UEFA observer doesn't think about 3-4 small mistakes. Card management was to my mind good. He booked the players when he needed. I don't think so there was any card that should have been shown in this match. But everyone can have own opinion. What is the most important he got two excellent calls and had full control and authority (as always). Therefore, I think 8.4 is an adequate mark to him.

    @Chefren
    Couldn't agree more. Gabor Eros makes his mistakes in every single match last time. He's nicely positioned so I am forced to call it bad concentration. It's difficult to change assistant after many years mutual cooperation between whole team. However, they should replaced Eros someone from Vad' or Bognar's usual crew. It's very difficult also due to one reason. Eros' performances are often poor but no worse than 8.0. Today he made two mistakes, he stopped two actions but no one can call those as crucial mistakes, therefore 8.0 is minimum. By the way, it's very very strange UEFA punished Vad so strongly and Eros is still there. Eros' mistakes at Euro was first... And now we can see there are friendships and friendships in UEFA. Stark is out after his bad performance. He got 7.7 mark (from a source) that is equally to bad control (I was thinking about this mark by the long time - why 7.5-7.7 and not 7.0-7.4? - and Eureka! - poor control is not always man-management. It's also control over the accidents over the game not only disciplinary control.) OK, Stark is out after poor control (any mistake wasn't made direct by him). But Dingert is still on... Why? He got at least two clear mistakes in his area of vicinity. Two clear penalties. So, 7.0-7.4 to him. And UEFA maybe doesn't want to get AARs marks into account but they should be consistent. Of course, I recognize Vad's mistake was bigger but was it? It was Eros who made mistake at first and if not that Vad wouldn't have had to cope with his situation. And Eros unpunished, Vad - punished. No consistency, UEFA! Then, we know how were FIFA chosing Olympic tournament final referee. No comment...


    Maybe too long but same true...

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    1. 100% agree with you, Yun.


      And it's also interesting your previous speech about minor mistakes. It's clear that UEFA doesn't look at these small situations, otherwise they would be in a endless trouble in appointing a referee, evaluating so deeply each possible minor mistake.
      The important thing for committee is that officials can have a good control of the match, showing authority, without crucial mistakes.
      It was also for this reason that we saw a not excellent refereeing at EURO2012. Just because each referee felt the right to be always himself, to use his style, without being forced to follow the instructions given by UEFA. The important thing was just to avoid big mistakes.
      It's a policy that one can also evaluate as inadequate, in order to form excellent referees, anyway this is the truth... you can see that also in handball stuations, no instructions by UEFA, they accepted Skomina decisions at EURO as well as Kralovec two weeks ago in Manchester.

      And finally, about Eriksson: I will watch the situation again. :) Sorry!




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    2. Generally I agree totally Yun Hyeon. But 8.4 as mark for Kassai seems a little big if you take all this into account.

      Report will be ready later by the day but here are my marks.

      Kassai: 8.3
      Eros: 8.0
      Ring: 8.3
      Bognar: 8.0
      Fabian: 8.5
      Kispal: 8.0

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  66. A short pre-report info about Bebek's team.
    Marks will be:
    Bebek 7.9
    Petrovic 8.5
    Grgic 8.4
    Vuckov 8.3
    Gabrilo 7.9
    Conjar 8.0

    Bebek correctly refused two penalty appeals by Anderlecht, the one he gave is ok, but he missed a penalty for pulling immediately after this 1-0 goal on the other side. Anderlecht complaint and they were right, should have been penalty (minute 78).
    Some smaller mistakes, he e.g. fell for a dive (Criscito) although his area of vicinity was free and he positioned 5 m away, wrongly awarded a free-kick to Zenit close to goal hence.
    Apart from that, smaller rooms for improvement, but in general a good performance specially in the first half. Good determination and independence when taking decisions (he did not care about previous calls).

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    1. Mark for Mazic?

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    2. Match is downloaded, will watch it later and let you know.

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    3. OK, Nic. IMO, Mazic superb performance, UTD-Braga is the best match of his career so far!

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    4. Without that blatant mistake of his assistant, it might have been a 10.

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  67. Where do you download those matches from?

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    1. rojadirecta.me -> download full sports events (or so)

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    2. Thanks!

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  68. There was a very difficult situation for Mazic in the 36th minute. A ManU player entered the box from the left side and fell, a mixture of having contact with the slide of the opponent and slipping on the ground. I think penalty was possible, due to the contact, but regarding Mazic actually could not see it and since it was a 50-50 call, good decision. First haft is at least 8.4, probably more. Have to watch the second half now.

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  69. Foul overview MD3

    Referee / Home / Total / split... / Away

    Atkinson: LIL 35 (21-14) BAY
    Kralovec: POR 34 (17-17) KYI
    Proenca: MAL 31 (17-14) MIL
    Thomson: BAT 30 (14-16) VAL
    Tagliavento: GAL 30 (15-15) CFR
    Kassai: BVB 27 (13-14) REA
    Bebek: ZEN 26 (14-12) AND
    Eriksson: ARS 26 (13-13) S04
    Skomina: SHA 25 (11-14) CHE
    Orsato: MON 25 (13-12) OLY
    Clattenburg: SPM 22 (13-9) BEN
    Aytekin: NOR 21 (10-11) JUV
    Rocchi: BAR 21 (10-11) CEL
    Mazic: MNU 20 (10-10) BRA
    Aydinus: DIN 20 (7-13) PSG
    Moen: AJA 17 (8-9) CIT

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  70. Mazic will get 8.5. It was a very good performance, without any doubt, but he had no crucial situation to solve. He has proven to be a very complete referee with a high level of determination and authority, but when I now award a 9.0, what should one give him if he correctly gives a penalty, a sending-off and perhaps has other critical situations solved correctly? One must also put it into relation with e.g. Hategan, who had a few more mistakes in his Tottenham-Lazio match, but two crucial situations of high difficulty. I gave him 8.5, Mazic will get the same mark, his assistants for sure not (Ristic 7.9, Radojcic 8.2).

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    1. And of course once again: excellent advantage prior to 1-2.

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  71. How was Aydinus' performance last night?
    Any comments about him?

    Ugur B.

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  72. http://www.uefa.com/uefa/footballfirst/matchorganisation/refereeing/news/newsid=1880799.html



    Interesting news, there is also the DVD, 13 minutes.

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  73. "Great spotting, Clatts"
    :D
    very, very interesting....

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  74. There will be a post.
    "The men in black face a mission impossible" :D Nice.
    I like Collina's linguistic emphasis..

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    1. They used Istvan Vad as a bad example for AAR.
      At least, they haven't hiden that terrible mistake...

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    2. But did not include Meyer's mistake, Liesveld's mistake at EURO..
      Göcek appears three times in a row with good calls :D

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    3. Small steps, Niclas, small steps. Don't expect too much from UEFA! ;)
      But I am seriously very glad they showed the Vad case, however it was the least they could do. For most people, Meyer and Liesveld's mistakes are not so high-profile and therefore UEFA can get away with not mentioning them.
      Collina's accent is hilarious to me: "Withe football getting everr fasterrr and the players getting fietterr it seems the man in blacke face a mission impossiebol". However the message is one I agree with.

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    4. :D

      I do not agree with what Collina said concerning Vad's decision. He mentioned his faulty position (head too much in field). But he did not mention that Vad first had to focus on the situation in the box and as a human, one cannot look at a situation very alertly and then switch to the goalline being perfectly positioned for an unexpected deflection which then crosses the goalline by 12 cms.

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    5. I agree, I think a 100% record on goal-line situations is simply not possible, using human sight. And of course, this situation developed particularly quickly. Vad would have seen the goal anyway 99 out of a 100 times. But it is that 1 out of a 100 times that is not eliminable and worries us and should worry Collina. Anyway, Vad has been chosen as scapegoat and treated as such (no matches at all so far this season). A pity because he seemed a good talent.

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    6. That's right but we always must underline we cannot be sure whether this is a method to punish him or to protect him from medial reactions, imagine he would get Dynamo Kyiv in CL or in general a more important EL match.

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    7. Good point, I'll keep it in mind. In december we will know more (promotions/demotions) and we'll see what he'll do next year.

      BTW I had a Vad situation at my own match today, however no additional assistant and my regular assistant was not yet at the goal-line, so no goal given. I was 70% sure it crossed the line, but cannot make such a decision from the edge of the box (where I was positioned).

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    8. In the end, these situations belong to football, although they should naturally not happen. Difficult topic, even after months of discussion.

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  75. And I remember that scene well, he was 100% sure and got it 100% right ;)

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  76. The German subtitles are wrong :/ Not "Thank you, Deniz", but "Very good, Deniz"

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  77. Hi Nic

    Hope you are well. My CL referee of the week goes to Mazic, superb game, let down only by AR2 as you mention. Referees without ego which is crucial (one reason I hold similar opinions to the blog on Tagliavento). His positioning and advantage is superb. Can't wait to see him progress this year.

    One question on your views on Atkinson - and it may be coincidental - but I am yet to see a positive appraisal of him from you? And I agree on your Lahm pen view.

    Blog - - did you see Ilderton's game between Sheff W and Leeds? any discussion that I missed? I noted 4 missed reds in the first half….

    Finally - who is NOT convinced that Skomina will take the middle in the CL final this season?

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    1. Thanks.
      Mazic for sure showed a very good performance (but it was not only AR2 with a huge mistake, but also AR1), also important because observer Reijgwaart mostly comes when a promotion is in sight. I would also highlight Rocchi's performance (Philipp wrote a report) and also Aytekin's debut or just Eriksson in London. It definitely was a good week in CL.
      Atkinson was too inconsistent from my point of view, he gave unnecessary bookings, did not allow a fluent play, but I also emphasize that I only watched the half of the match (approximately).

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    2. And concerning Skomina: everything can happen, injuries or just a very striking mistake (remember Hansson). In general the signs could not be more clear that he will get CL this season or next season, but I guess Cakir will get it ahead him. I am not sure how much Brych can achieve this season.

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  78. Mazic final marks:

    Mazic 8.5
    Ristic 7.9
    Radojcic 8.2
    Vukadinovic 8.0
    Gogic 8.1
    Jovanovic 8.0

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