March 31, 2013

Referees for Champions League Quarterfinals First Legs are revealed

UEFA has appointed their Elite Group match officials Mark Clattenburg (England), Wolfgang Stark (Germany), Jonas Eriksson (Sweden) and Svein Oddvar Moen (Norway) to take control over this week's UEFA Champions League Quarterfinals first legs.

Wolfgang Stark in charge of PSG-Barcelona (c) Süddeutsche.de



(FRA) Paris Saint-Germain
20:45
FC Barcelona (ESP)
02 April 2013, 20:45 CET – Parc des Princes, Paris, France
Referee
Wolfgang Stark (GER)
Assistant Referee 1
Jan-Hendrik Salver (GER)
Assistant Referee 2
Mike Pickel (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 1
Felix Zwayer (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 2
Guido Winkmann (GER)
Fourth Official
Mark Borsch (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer
Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate
Danilo Filacchione (ITA)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer
Michel Lebrun (FRA)


(GER) Bayern München
20:45
Juventus Turin (ITA)
02 April 2013, 20:45 CET – AllianzArena, Munich, Germany
Referee
Mark Clattenburg (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1
Simon Beck (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2
Stephen Child (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 1
Mike Dean (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 2
Andre Marriner (ENG)
Fourth Official
Darren Cann (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer
Jozef Marko (SVK)
UEFA Delegate
Michal Listkiewicz (POL)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer
Josef Maier (GER)


(ESP) Real Madrid
20:45
Galatasaray (TUR)
03 April 2013, 20:45 CET – Estadio Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid, Spain
Referee
Svein Oddvar Moen (NOR)
Assistant Referee 1
Kim Thomas Haglund (NOR)
Assistant Referee 2
Frank Andås (NOR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1
Ken Henry Johnsen (NOR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2
Svein-Erik Edvartsen (NOR)
Fourth Official
Sven Erik Midthjell (NOR)
UEFA Referee Observer
Eugen Strigel (GER)
UEFA Delegate
Barry Bright (ENG)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer
Raúl Masso Zambudio (ESP)


(ESP) Málaga CF
20:45
Borussia Dortmund (GER)
03 April 2013, 20:45 CET – La Rosaleda, Málaga, Spain
Referee
Jonas Eriksson (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1
Mathias Klasenius (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2
Daniel Wärnmark (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 1
Stefan Johannesson (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 2
Markus Strömbergsson (SWE)
Fourth Official
Stefan Wittberg (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer
Zdravko Jokić (SRB)
UEFA Delegate
Cornel Cristian Bivolaru (ROU)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer
Manuel Díaz Morales (ESP)

151 Comments:

  1. Borsch is there, it means that Brych is not appointed this week, I think.
    By the way, I'm a bit surprised by Stark appointment, it means that they had problems to find other referees. Of course, I'm not talking against Stark, but you know, his group stage was not excellent and one year ago he was totally out from CL KO stage... not this time!
    Very important test for Clattenburg, let's see if the assistant have changed after the crucial mistake in Porto-Malaga.

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  2. PSG-Barcelona was more or less the only chance to appoint a German official in the quarterfinals. It could have been Brych, but it perhaps also reveals that they have bigger plans with the other German referee. It is the sixth time that Stark will referee a CL duel between a French and a Spanish team in a French stadium. So one could have guessed it..
    Very interesting appointment for Bayern-Juventus, right.

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  3. Anonymous31/3/13 13:23

    Big Day for Clattenburg

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  4. By the way now Proenca could be a good guess for Galatasaray-Real.

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  5. I think UEFA recognize Dingert and then Welz as guilty of Stark's poor performances. We remember that mistakes regarded especially in-box duels...

    Dingert was quickly removed after MU-Galata disaster, now Welz is replaced by Winkmann. Very interesting changes!

    Huge match for Clattenburg. Along with Marko as observer, it will be the biggest test in his career. Further development of this promising referee will highly depend from this match I think.

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    1. On the other hand Welz made a very good call (probably he was involved) when Brych did not award the claimed penalty in Real-ManU (Di María). Let's wait for Europa League, if Aytekin or Gräfe are there, I think Welz will appear in the appointments, too.

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    2. For sure then, but removing them from Stark's team is significant IMO.

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    3. Keep in mind that DFB appoints the AARs, not UEFA.

      Just to complete it:

      Brych's AARs:
      Spartak-Fenerbahce: Zwayer, Winkmann
      Zenit-Milan: Aytekin, Hartmann
      Braga-ManU: Zwayer, Winkmann
      Celtic-Spartak: Zwayer, Welz
      Real-ManU: Fritz, Welz

      Stark's AARs:
      Braga-Udinese: Welz, Fritz
      ManU-Gala: Welz, Dingert
      Dynamo-PSG: Zwayer, Welz
      Lyon-Tottenham: Zwayer, Welz

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    4. ARS, AARS and FO are always appointed by domestic federations, the domestic committees have to do choices based also on the domestic appointments. Of course, if there is a referee on the pre-list to WC, they will always prefer to appoint him along with his regular assistans, otherwise the choices can be different. The speech about additional is totally different, they can also be two NO-FIFA referees and the observer in UEFA matches focuses his work always on the main referee, first of all.
      There aren't fixed criteria, absolutely, we can't say that they have removed Dingerst surely for his alleged mistakes.




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    5. ARs AARs and FO are appointed by main referee (only he's appointed by UEFA). National federation only accept or not this crew made by main referee. It's very very rare that national federation don't accept it.

      It's also the case that main referee could be punished by UEFA for notoriously appointing the same assistant despite their mistakes.

      In a sum, it's Stark who chooses assistants (DFB only accept them) but it can be that UEFA "kindly ask" him for choosing other AAR than Dingert or Welz.

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  6. Blog Observers

    Bayern-Juventus (Clattenburg): Turan Oz. (USA)
    Paris-Barcelona (Stark): Cagatay I. (TUR)

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  7. I'm really happy for Stark's appointment; this recognize his full carrier and not only latest perfomances.
    Huge appointment for Clattemburg !!!uefa commetee has big expectation from him, but in my opinion Velasco should be more suitable. Regards

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    1. Velasco Carballo will whistle the second leg of this tie.

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  8. AR1 Simon Beck
    AR2 Stephen Child
    AAR1 Mike Dean
    AAR2 Andre Marriner
    FO Darren Cann

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  9. UEFA and their matchcentres...

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  10. So we have two Scandinavians..

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    1. Totally unexpected Eriksson, I don't know how they evaluated him in Gelsenkirchen, but again, it seems that this year they have problems in find referees.
      They appoint always the same names.

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    2. I must be honest. I am not that much content with name of Eriksson. I wonder what would happen with referees who performed better than him ...

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    3. Anonymous4/4/13 15:40

      Eriksson very well at Málaga-Borussia.

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  11. Real Madrid - Galatasaray
    Svein Oddvar Moen
    AR1 Kim Thomas Haglund
    AR2 Frank Andas
    AAR1 Ken Henry Johnsen
    AAR2 Svein-Erik Edvartsen
    FO Sven Erik Midthjell

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    1. They have found the one who was guilty for the 1-2 in Arsenal-Bayern..

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  12. So we have alerady the four names for 2nd legs...

    Rocchi, Proença, Velasco, Kuipers.
    :)

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    1. Why not Proenca in the semi? Or have I missed the fact that this is revealed?

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    2. You are right, it might be ;)

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    3. Do I remember right, Webb final, next year semi; Kassai final, next year semi? Proenca ...

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    4. It was also like that with Busacca 2009/2010.

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    5. Anonymous4/4/13 15:42

      Not Rocchi. Perhaps Tagliavento.

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  13. Yes one must suppose these names. I would however keep in mind that we cannot be sure about Rocchi. I think he should get a match, but we do not know how his performance in City-Real was evaluated and discussed.

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    1. BTW, another German team for Eriksson.

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  14. Jonas Eriksson full team

    Referee Jonas Eriksson (SWE)
    AR1 Mathias Klasenius (SWE)
    AR2 Daniel Wärnmark (SWE)
    AAR1 Stefan Johannesson (SWE)
    AAR2 Markus Strömbergsson (SWE)
    FO Stefan Wittberg (SWE)

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  15. Anonymous1/4/13 12:20

    After the appointment for Eriksson CL final will go to Cuneyt Cakir...this is clear sign

    Kind Regards

    Alex

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  16. Anonymous1/4/13 12:35

    I don´t understand Cheffren, because I think that
    Eriksson is one excellent referee.

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    1. I didn't mean that Eriksson is a not good referee, that muse be clear.
      But, based on our reports relations, it seems that he had not the best performance in Schalke 04 - Galatasaray.
      Just this, regards.

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    2. If we look at the reports from CL round of 16..

      You can see that Eriksson isn't the only one that didn't have a good performance. I don't think that these marks mean that all these referees shouldn't have a match further on if that's what you are trying to say.

      Eriksson 7.8
      Rizzoli 7.8
      Cakir 7.8
      Tagliavento 7.8
      Mallenco 7.8
      Webb 7.8
      Moen 7.9

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    3. Hi Albin

      You are mistaken there - I gave him 7.9 otherwise 8.3

      He lost a mark due to missed handball, but other than that, and a slightly skewed line of consistency in the technical fouls - he was excellent.

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    4. Hey Nikos

      Saw that now, there is two reports, one 7.8 other 7.9..

      I'm happy for his appointment, well deserved and apparently UEFA thinks so too.

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    5. One should note that official UEFA referee observer is the one whom must be fully trusted. He knows every interpretation, rule rather than we know, ok...
      But, we also watch the games, make performance ranking in our minds. That should be also respected. I also watched Eriksson full, I believe first Schalke goal was foul (maybe 2nd also) and handball of Gala. was a penalty, and there were irregularities in foul detection. There were better performances at R16 to be assigned to QF. But, this only binds me.
      We only make our guesses and comments here, not sth deciding..

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    6. Hi Cagatay

      I think you have it in a nutshell - im just happy that the observer and I agree!

      I think we give far too much importance (as 'blog analysts') to specific individual events in a game. The push you mention, as with the wrong corner decision by the Moen team, is nowhere near a crucial mistake and just a 50-50 decision (one of 500+ in a game) that went the 'other way'. Likewise with the debate about the Beck missed offside - this is not how teams are selected.

      I think the mistake is to think similar selection criteria is used to that of an International tournament. e.g. Vad missed goal in England game meant Kassai unfort had to go home.

      On Eriksson, he had a great Euro (and Im a Greece fan!), and a decent CL and domestic season thus far .... perfect 'style' for this game.

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    7. Vad and Kassai were sent home due to the medial aftermath of this scene...imagine Eriksson would have shown the same performance in a more important match than Schalke-Galatasaray, with more medial trouble around it, would he get a CL match in this season? My answer is a clear no.
      Your comment "I think we give far too much importance (as 'blog analysts') to specific individual events in a game." is right. Nonetheless, also the big context in Eriksson's performance was for my taste - I only speak for my limited opinion - below the level to be expected in such a match and in such a competition.

      I fully agree with your view on Beck though, it was one slight mistake, it can happen.

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    8. Hey Nikos,

      I justed copied and pasted what I have written on threat of R16 about Eriksson. "How an Elite referee whom we too much rely on can have such totally inconsistencies through match long".. To me thats it. Of course I know that Skomina, Kassai maybe others are lenient with calls, doesnt whistle penalties (it doesnt matter), fouls, but the thing is if you are inconsistent with your decisions through match there is a problem.
      And I fully agree with your note saying that the explanation and emphasis of a "crucial mistake" is fuzzy. Yes, it is.
      Maybe we will come on the same line with watching more games, and so on. I dont have any solution to this. I dont think anyone here has it also.
      The only thing we could do is to support decisions of referees as much as possible as blog analysits.

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    9. I also want to underline that in our reports and in most of our comments, the referee's style and approach are more in focus than decisions. Both are important facets. So I do not like that our reports are reduced on mathematical marks..

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  17. Anonymous1/4/13 13:22

    Bebek...EL 11.04.2013

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  18. Well it seems I am the only one not surprised at these appointments.

    My report on Eriksson was that he did just fine with great control - the missed handball cna hardly have been blamed on him with the AAR 0.5m away. And we saw another cool performance (Im told) with England - Montenegro. Way ahead of the likes of Collum in the pecking order.

    Moen too deserves this game after an impressive performance at the Emirates.

    Now for Clattenburg - so delighted for him after a torrid year in which his career nearly descended into chaos. I have been shouting his name for 2 years now (in relation to his 'elite progress that is), and he is light years ahead of Webb and Atkinson in terms of form at present. Another great appointment.

    I don't know why there was debate about Child and Beck either ...

    Stark - well, he is just Stark - an experienced referee - yes it could have been given to another for a chance in the limelight but ...hey

    Anyway, there is my rant :-)

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  19. I have to theorise that the four appointments are quite synchronised in terms of referee style. Has this been a key influencing factor?

    The quartet have a similar application of law and match control, and it may well be that UEFA wants a similar 'approach' to show consistency to all?

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  20. Anonymous1/4/13 15:45

    This is going to be second time Bebek will referee EL QF. Anybody knows what is happening with Strahonja? Did he do something wrong in Anji-Hannover I dont know? But since UEFA appoints for WC QF he wouldnt get Ireland-Austria if he made some crucial mistakes in Anji-Hannover.
    Based on this season Eriksson's appointment is no deserved.

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  21. With the benefit of hindsight, Stark's appointment makes sense for this special match. With his calm and lenient approach he could benefit to a good pace between PSG and Barcelona. On the other hand one can also stress that he had two CL matches only in this season, the first one having been weak, the second one having been good.
    Clattenburg's appointment is good, interesting and something fresh. We are finally reading a different name for a big duel.
    Moen's appointment did not surprise me at all, I am quite sure he will do well and it's also a reward for his good second half in Arsenal-Bayern. If his last performance had been very good for the full match time, then one could also presume that a semifinal could have been possible. I find it also remarkable that they replaced Hafsas, for me it's a clear sign, Melo Pereira probably certified the AAR this overseen goal kick and thus wrongly awarded corner and hence, Moen perhaps did not have to assume responsibility for this call.
    I am however stunned that Eriksson gets this match. Even if his crucial mistakes that our observers marked had been correct, he only had great control but nothing more. There was no consistency in foul detection. This style was at this evening in this match merely disturbing and of course I come to the conclusion that there have been better performances like Thomson's or Collum's than his one. By the way there was an article by Collina which said that Eriksson missed a handball penalty in Shakhtar-Juventus. Also there, a goal was scored following a missed offside position (Wärnmark). In my opinion, there were too many inconsistencies in Eriksson's last 2 CL matches. But ok, if UEFA thinks in a different way, it's ok. I hope he will do well in Malaga-BVB, which will be quite focused on football, I would suppose..
    Perhaps one of the Scottish officials follows in the second legs or even in the semifinal, Thomson could be a small surprise here.

    @ Nikos: I would not compare Stark's style to Moen's or Eriksson's, but you are right, these four referees are surely not the most pedantic Elite officials UEFA has to offer.

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  22. And as always I forgot to mention something.
    Could not it be that UEFA plans to leave Proenca out from the quarterfinals so that they will be able to flexibly appoint him for any of the four semifinals? Be aware that el clásico could come into existence. What then? I think we must have Proenca then who is able to get this match.

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  23. @admin

    You state 'With his calm and lenient approach' on Stark - this is exactly how I would describe the other 3 more or less. I think you could also group England/Scandinavia/Germany together in terms of collectives - broadly speaking of course. Just as you could, perhaps, Spain/Portugal/Italy.

    Agree on Proenca as already stated - I think he and Skomina will take 2nd legs (Semi), with Kassai, Rizzoli, Webb, Atkinson fighting it out for the first legs.

    Cakir final as I suspected after great performance at OT.

    **we really do disagree on Eriksson - but hey, thats the beauty of football ...

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  24. (to preempt a question: I think Atkinson home form and his 2nd leg Atletico/Bilbao last season give him a chance - otherwise more likely a EL game)

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    1. http://www.refmarks.blogspot.de/2012/04/uefa-europa-league-athletic-vs-sporting.html#more

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    2. Sorry this is a poor report. It was an excellent performance.

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    3. I send you the video footage via mail...

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    4. I replied to the emails. I maintain my stance, he had his best game of 11/12

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    5. I liked this conversation :D
      Wouldnt end up with anything :)

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  25. Absolutely right ;)
    And we also disagree on Atkinson :b

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    1. Markus Stombergsson is always appointed as AAR.
      Again, do you know why he decided to leave FIFA lists?

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    2. I had that in my mind, too.
      The only explanation is for me that the requirements of an AAR are naturally by far lower than of an ED referee.

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    3. Markus Strömbergsson did quit as FIFA-referee because he wanted to spend more time with his family. Atleast thats what was said in the Swedish media when he did quit.

      He is still refereeing in Swedens top league (Allsvenskan), so is his brother Martin doing.

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    4. Anonymous2/4/13 14:35

      As long as he is still travelling abroad for international matches, the only difference is that he foes not have to attend two UEFA courses per year (all other requirements are the same). Those two courses cannot be enough reason; there must be something else.

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  26. By the way, exactly 15 years ago, there was the legendary CL match Real Madrid - Dortmund, where a goal was broken. Mario van der Ende was the referee.
    Hopefully, Santiago Bernabeu's goals are more sturdy on Wednesday :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GItIjaOZ4UE#!

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  27. Blog Observers

    Málaga-Dortmund (Eriksson): Chefren (ITA)
    Real-Galatasaray (Moen): Niclas E. (GER)

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  28. Dowd with a good performance in Chelsea-MU - seems to thrive in the bigger games in the twilight of his career.

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    1. Anonymous2/4/13 08:28

      Dowd simply middling at Chelsea-MU.

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  29. William Collum is appointed for Fenerbahce Lazio, the full appointment on tff.org

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  30. Great first half by Mark Clattenburg at Allianz Arena! He allows very very hard physical play. One penalty for Bayern could've been whistled when van Buyten(?) was breaking down by defender, but it was consistent line presented by young English official. Very positive performance making the game really good, fluent spectacle!

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  31. Anonymous2/4/13 21:45

    Hello from France admin. Before let me say that i dont like stark strict style usually. But, To be honest, great and solid performance by german Team. Very sure and confident refereeing by Wolfgang stark with full control and excellent foul détection. Correct YC for pique. All offside and no-offside calls good by pickel and salver.
    Actually, high level mark for your compatriots admin :)

    From France
    Benoit

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  32. The reason of Atkinson's absence is different to what you said. Mr. Atkinson is out with a hamstring strain :( Best wishes to him!

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    1. Anonymous2/4/13 22:03

      Atkinson has been regularly appointed on February and March in Premier League and also FA Cup.
      Your info is wrong.

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    2. The current absence, he's not appointed for 6-8 April Premier League matches. So he could not be taken into account for e.g. EL 1/4.

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  33. Thomas Muller seemed to be in offside, am I wrong?
    At least, with his head. BTW, another very difficult flag/no flag decision for Beck. Incredible.

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    1. YC for dive: for me, wrong.
      No penalty, ok, but neither simulation.
      Probably suggested by Marriner.

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  34. Ibrahimovic is a meter offside in PSG goal....

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    1. OMG now watched, what a mistake by Salver, at this level.

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    2. Wow, what a game it was.
      Can only agree, pity, the 1-1 goal was clearly offside, crucial mistake by AR1.

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  35. Penalty of Barcelona is a too theatral fall by Sancez, but totally ok with LOTG. Mistiming by GK results in such, YC is also ok.

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  36. I did not watch PSG-Barca, from what i heard the 1-1 was offside, a pity, the penalty was correct.

    Now on Clattenburg. Great presence, good feeling for the players and their behaviour, he correctly resisted many trials of the home crowd to provoke yellow cards. Also sensible to caution Mandzukic for persistently infringing the LotG. Simon Beck was CORRECT when letting the flag down. I have checked it, the foot of the Juve defender was level with the striker.
    For me, the best K.O. stage performance so far. But only until minute 83. He missed a clear red card to Ribery, did not even recognize it as a foul. Studs in front, directly on Vidal's calf. Serious foul play. The rest, spot-on. I moreover completely agree with both dive calls. No classical dives, but nonetheless seeking for the contact, simulation by jumping into the opponent without reason. Of course doing nothing would have been smoother, but I liked these calls.

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    1. Terrible foul by Ribery on Vidal, Clattenburg missed the whole situation, neither a whistle.
      Clear red card.

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    2. I also doubt why he missed it. Actually he had a perfect angle and view on the incident.

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    3. Screenshot.
      http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/3213/rg8pmgod_jpg.htm

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    4. Anonymous2/4/13 23:34

      Didn't he ignore a serious foul play at the 2012 Olympics and then got the final? :)

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    5. Anonymous2/4/13 23:51

      I think clattenburg´s performance was not that good. Some serious fouls with ellbow or hand in face were not seen, clear red card for ribery, compared to vidal´s tackle the yc for mandzukic was too strict.

      Positive: despite his very lenient style, there was not much protest by the players. IMO it indicates that he had good contact to them and was able to handle them

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    6. @Admin

      Needless to say I fully agree with your synopsis of Clattenburg - of course as somebody who has backed him for 5+ years I may have bias, but surely just as much as say Skomina or Cakir ;)

      1st half (i.e. decisions that confuse the commentators!):

      - no YC for Vidal persistent as all 3 were careless in 1st half - fans demanded a YC for the foul on Ribery, but the Frenchman was running into trouble and turning away - the foul was neither reckless or at speed.
      - YC for Vidal correct with handball, subtly deliberate

      - Commentator fuming that no Juve player booked but Mandzukic cautioned for 'first foul' - I am 99% certain that this caution was given for C2 'dissent by action' as Clatts was content with foul only as he approaches scene (to measure wall) and Mandz remains incredulous with sarcastic grin before finally signalling that forward dived using his hands to motion - Clatts immediate pulls yellow out of pocket.

      - 2 penalty calls - one Chiellini on Mandz, perfectly correct, minimal if any contact. 2nd one, van Buyten - does appear to hold but pulls away straight away and as attacker then realises GK is favourite for ball he exaggerates contact and appeals; correct no call. A very English decision on both. (consistency-wise, two challenges in 22nd minute show his approach to the game, bodily contact but not enough for a foul).

      2nd half

      - Correct cautions for Vidal, and for Lichsteiner and Gustavo for simulation. Juve defender realises Dante has halted approach, knocs ball to the side before deliberately falling into the defender and exaggerating contact. YC
      - Gustavo likewise, but this time he brings knees into a tuck as he falls. YC

      Now for the missed red - I agree it should be given 80% of the time and he will be disappointed with this - I dont think he 'saw it' - he may well have seen the coming together but not directly at the calf. It was spiteful from diver Ribery, but one must also say that he did pull back as he hits the calf, which may allow for a YC. But certainly not nothing. Clatts missed this and UEFA will back him IMO.

      Overall, best performance (not seen Stark) of the KO rounds so far.

      Oh and excellent no call by Beck agreed Nic. Not sure whether he stumbled on it as Robben was in his way! But nonetheless Chiellini foot keeps Mandz ONSIDE, including feet and head btw! Beck resists pressure actually from Dean (who Glares at him) to raise the flag. Brave.

      Well done team.

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  37. Anonymous2/4/13 22:52

    Big crucial mistake by Salver. Overall good performance by Stark but additionnal Time very very low-estimated...almost 5 or 6 mn should be given. And very chaotic management of the situation of barca two players injured. Too many Time wasted by spanish players for complaints. Lost of control here. All cards good by the way. Penalty ok with winkmann help i think. So in general satisfying refereeing with one big mistake...sorry but again with this Team... 7.9 for me. ( 8.4 without offside error)


    Benoit

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    1. Could you describe the procedure with the injured players more detailedly please (perhaps also with minute)?

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    2. both players must stay on the pich in this case!
      big mistake!

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  38. Anonymous2/4/13 23:14

    Around 77 mn. Barca players injured received cares and after stark lost one player on the pitch. Many complaints - too many complaints for me - and mascherano didn't accept to leave the pitch. Too many discussions for me and wasted Time not counted correctly at the end. But for under stand stark behaviour, we have to recognize the high difficulty of the situation. ;)

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  39. Ok thanks a lot!
    Hehe this penalty is more or less the same type of penalty Pedro wanted to have in FRA-ESP..Sánchez also wanted this one, but he was more clever.

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  40. Anonymous2/4/13 23:33

    And i was in doubt with it because i thought it was a French law but i don't think so : two players injured : no possibility To put out the players ? Crucial mistake by stark or not ?
    Benoit

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  41. BTW if we think that Ibrahimovic at first had a ban for this match, then he was allowed to play, and finally he also scored in blatant offside, not the best situation to be accepted by Barça fans...

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    1. And thats sth utopic, but he could have been dismissed in Min 90+ before goal where he shot the ball after the offside whistle of Stark. I thought that we were going to watch another Busacca case. But, Stark didnt show YC and then Ibra gave that final second goal pass. I also agreed YC wasnt necessary. That was a pretty short while after whistle.

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    2. Also, in my opinion the penalty given for Barcelona is wrong. Not acceptable for my standard. The attacker is seeking the contact and dragging his foot towards the keeper therefore making the initial contact. The keeper keeps his hands on the ground the whole time. It's even a yellow card for simulation. He is trying to deceive the referee and he has managed it. I completely disagree.
      (There is a FIFA training video for referees in which Benzema drags his foot to the keeper to gain a penalty kick. I will try to find the video.)

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    3. By the way, UEFA won't be content with the organization at Paris..the Champions League anthem started in its midst and was very muted at the beginning :/

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  42. According to Italian newspapers and TV, Muller was in a slight offside, at least his upperbody, especially the head.
    Goal to be annulled, but again Beck was in a diffcult situation also because had Ribery obstructing his view. You can clearly see, watching the video, that he tried also to move his head to watch better, he surey missed the situation and being in doubt he let his flag down.

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  43. http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/3214/cg4hqjex_jpg.htm

    For me, it is a perfect call, also underlining that this was the most difficult constellation of offside..
    If you correct the blurred replay camera position, you could either see that it was perfectly level, or that Mandzukic, who passed the ball, was perhaps 10 cms offside with his upper body. In both cases, one should fully support Beck for this call. Benefit of the doubt, in favour of the striker. By the way, it could also be that Robben took his view a bit.

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    1. Anonymous3/4/13 17:09

      Another fact is that the offside line is made wrong in my opinion. But he is level with the second-last opponent, so good call by Beck.

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    2. I doubt it is wrong, as it is computer-made by Sky Germany.

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    3. Anonymous3/4/13 17:41

      A line bordering the penalty area is not same as the offside line. But I abide by what I have said - good call by AR.

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    4. If you are sure..then it must be like that.

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  44. Ribery's foul in full pace.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2K_1cu8URM

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    1. Do you think that it could be evaluated as crucial mistake by the referee? What is your opinion, and what do you think about Marko? He will penalize Clattenburg for that?

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    2. That's the question. One could argue that he missed this foul at all, perhaps because it was hidden. Then I would say rather no. But who knows..

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    3. I am sorry guys but this is terrible.How is it possible to miss that.If you see that and give only a yc...Sorry but you CANNOT miss that.Totally disappointed by Clatts...

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    4. Totally agree with Darko. Being a referee in that level and in such an important game means you can't let go situations like this one.

      Moreover Beck made another mistake. Muller's upper body is offside. He should have had a better position.

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    5. Basically right, but he would not have seen anything then, Robben would have been in his area of vicinity..

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    6. TBH I can't understand that. Now Robben seems to be right in front of him obstructing his view. If he had moved just a little then he would have a better view.

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    7. Might be, I am not sure. We cannot say that much in general as the replays are completely vague. Even the argument that his upper body was offside was not totally proven, we have no camera view being 0° to the goalline..

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    8. Oh men, excellent call by Beck! How can one criticise that?

      Clattenburg missed many things in second half. His lenient style worked against him in this part of the match. Chiellini booked for nothing (as well as Mandzukic - I think Clatts wanted to have them in his book, seeing that they played in unsporting way from the beginning). Then, Chiellini should've been booked twice (and sent-off twice, for elbowing Mandzukic and catching him for a face)... The Ribery's tackle was easy to detect, but I'm near sure Clatts didn't see it.

      My final mark would be 7.5 (missed red card to Ribery and two red cards to Chiellini - the mark could be even lower, but don't be so cruel). Mark Clattanburg is a victim of his ultra-lenient line and unneccessary bookings to Mandzukic and Chiellini - it's why I like strict consistent style more. However, two great calls about dives.

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    9. Don't see that as an offence, but I think your opinion regarding a mark lower than 7.9 for this performance is quite exclusive, although you correctly mentioned that there was no consistency in the dealing with Chiellini. Nonetheless I don't know where you saw 2 straight red cards. And for Mandzukic's card, I would like to know what reason Clattenburg exposed in the match report for this booking. Unsporting behaviour, clear, but tackle or dissent? Nikos' remark about the sarcastical smile is right.

      By the way, Stark, Clattenburg, Eriksson, Moen and Rocchi are the first referee who savour the increased referee fees starting in the quarterfinals, 5.800 €.

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    10. Straight? No, two second-yellow card not given to Chiellini. We must know that not given second yellow card should be evaluated as crucial mistake and it was quite clear bookable offences...

      The crucial mistake regarding Ribery's foul is no-doubt. So, we have 7.9 with inconsistencies can be even 7.8 (not neccessary). But what about two second-yellows to Chiellini?

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    11. I agree about the missing 2nd YC for Chiellini, because an elbow in the opponent's face is a mandatory booking. For me, this mistake was even clearer than the Ribery situation.
      Furthermore, I did not assess the rest of his performance as positive as the majority here. IMO, it was also a mistake, he didn't book Vidal for his foul against Ribery in 30', while the YCs for Mandzukic and Chiellini were rather soft, also compared to other situations in the 1st half (e.g. bodycheck by Gustavo).
      And about the Lichtsteiner/Gustavo cautions: I can understand the reasons written here, but I doubt, that this is really, what UEFA wants, because I have rarely seen this in other matches.
      Overall, I did not like his card management yesterday, independent from the crucial mistakes, it was maximum 8.2 for me, although control and communication were on a good level.

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    12. This situation Vidal on Ribery. Ribery spectacularly fell, cranked on the ground and the German commentary also became a bit upset that it was not yellow. But what was behind it? In my opinion nearly nothing. Vidal went for the ball, did not get it, and then very slightly touched the French player from the side. No need to fall like that. No yellow in my opinion, just a foul.

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  45. Relaxed man

    I cannot take seriously your mark of 7.5 for this performance.

    I don't see where Chiellini takes a 2nd yellow either? He was well managed.

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    1. See with attention whole second half, so you will be able to take seriously my opinion. I can ensure you that the observer mark will be between 7.5-7.7, no more, no less.

      Today, I decided to leave this blog with my comments. I have no need to convince people who want to be "the only right".

      Bye!

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    2. Bye bye. If you are that thin-skinned, then you must take that decision, in this case I have no need to convince you that one must face critical requesting when posting an extreme opinion such as 7.5.

      Chiellini had two further ellbows in the match, ok, no real ellbows. The first one was an ellbow offense, the other rather a small slip in his opponent's face. If Clattenburg cautions him once, he must do the same in one of the other situations, too. I forgot that in my small analysis. Let's wait for our observer's report.

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  46. Anonymous3/4/13 21:18

    Several strange things are happening in Real Madrid penalty area.
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    1. Because of the live stream, I couldn't watch all game in good quality, however Möen made a mistake against a penalty Burak Yilmaz. On the contrary he booked for diving but imo it was a clear penalty by Ramos...

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  47. Anonymous3/4/13 22:14

    Relaxed Man - As always I respect your opinions even though I don't agree with everything. Although I really think that you are the one who want to be "the only right" in this and also other cases. Your approach isn't very humble, I must say.

    Most important - you shouldn't tell lies to people. Missed yellow card can NEVER be a crucial mistake - no matter if the player is booked earlier in the game so it should lead to a red card. Of course, if can effect the mark, but never be classified as a crucial mistake.

    Secondly, if you were the UEFA referee observer for Bayern-Juventus or maybe a member of the committee - then you could go on and "ensure" people what the mark will be. Otherwise - don't do that. I would never ensure someone anything, but I, having both read several UEFA referee reports, talked to both observers and referees and moreover been observed myself by a UEFA observer twice, highly doubt that he will receive 7.5-7.7.

    Excellent Moen so far. This isn't his last game this season...

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    1. Moen with a good and strong performance.
      For me, correct that he did not award a penalty (Ramos on Burak), although the dive call was a bit harsh (but not wrong). So no crucial mistake in this match I think. Good card management - by the way, Ramos misses next match due to kicking the ball away in 90+1...he did it again, like in Ajax-Real a few years ago (Thomson)..
      Report to follow in the next days, but will be 8.4 I think.

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    2. IMO, it should have been a penalty. Stepping on the opponent's foot is a foul, even if the striker falls theatrically. YC for dive seems totally wrong to me.

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    3. Sorry admin, did you mean that not awarding penalty was correct decision? If you say yes, please watch the position once again, Ramos stepped on right foot of Burak Yilmaz. Direct contact to opponent's foot is penalty everywhere. Therefore I believe Möen was wrong.

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    4. Of course its a clear penalty.He clearly steps on his opponents foot and prevents him from chasing the ball.Pretty obvious admin!Check it again.And instead of that YC.For me its a sign of inexperience.

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    5. @Anonymous
      Missing a second yellow card,so red, is definetaly considered to be a CRUCIAL mistake.No doubt about that.So you are the one that misleads people here.

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    6. I believe that we should be precise... A foul in a box should be a penalty.. https://twitter.com/ersinduzen/status/319557615707381761/photo/1

      I cant say that it is not a penalty, sorry.
      I cant either say last night Stark's penalty was a mistake.

      Well, I may understand differences with foul detection, YC card management, allright, but within box decisions, sorry. That YC for Burak Yılmaz was totally wrong. But of again course, it is notthing.

      Btw, I found Moen ok with calls and rest. To me, 8.2 likewise...

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    7. Anonymous4/4/13 00:48

      Darko,

      Should I trust you or Bo Karlsson of the UEFA Referee Committee and Peter Frojdfeldt, former referee and now coach/UEFA observer? They explained FIFA/UEFA:s policy and guidelines when it comes to these decisions and were pretty clear.

      For me, the choice is easy.

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    8. Anonymous4/4/13 01:07

      Hah, and I know and talk with Pierluigi Collina! Who is better?

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    9. For me, it is neither a YC for Burak nor a penalty kick. it's just a simple contact between player while challenging the ball and the attacker wouldn't lose any advantage or the defender wouldn't gain any advantage with this contact. The contact is minimal and not a foul for me. But again it's my opinion.

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    10. @ anonymous
      First of all you should tell us a name
      And You should trust me,en recently retired FIFA referee,who did that mistake and received 7.9,by a comittee member of Uefa.So please if BO or Peter are yoyr friends you better ask them again about that my friend....

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    11. No need to battle each other with who has the bigger eh I meant the better source. Stay calm and lead a fair discussion please.

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  48. Anonymous3/4/13 22:42

    Málaga-Borussia Dortmund: very good work of
    Eriksson.

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    1. Nope. He missed a very clear penalty (Weligton on Götze). Around minute 65 i think. Then, it also must be second yellow to the Malaga defender. Apart from that, quite good.

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    2. That was probably Johannesson's fault, although Eriksson could have seen it, too.
      I agree on the quite good performance, excellent communication skills, yellow cards more or less spot on.

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    3. Anonymous4/4/13 14:56

      Some link?

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    4. I'm working on the second half just now.
      Here a pic of the contact, German player had already passed the ball, and, as usually happens, the officials haven't the needed attention for these situations, they always tend to follow the ball.
      Johannesson seems busy, looking elsewhere (in the middle of area), for Eriksson was impossible, since he was really far.
      Very difficult also to consider it as crucial mistake by the referee.
      More to follow when the report wil be ready.
      http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/3215/5r4liafu_jpg.htm

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    5. First, it must be a penalty. So someone must be responsible for not awarding it. To my mind it is too easy to shift every responsibility to the AARs. Eriksson's view was free and it is his mistake to be positioned too far away. So I do not think it is Johannesson's error, but Eriksson's.
      There was also a complaint by Dortmund for another penalty, minute 47 (Demichelis on Lewandowski). Clear holding and pulling, for me a bit too little for a whistle, but nobody could have complaint.

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    6. Are you sure?
      I'm not able to find the situation you have mentioned, at 47'.
      There is a handball by a Malaga defender in penalty area at 46', but totally unintentional.

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    7. Yes I am sure. A few screenshots so that you are able to find the situation:
      http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/3215/vpwfjhzm_jpg.htm
      http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3215/rz7qbzbu_jpg.htm
      http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3215/nukm687w_jpg.htm

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    8. 53' 55'' :D
      Not 47'

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    9. The report is ready on your mailbox.

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  49. Both Eriksson and Moen seemed to do very well. I saw much more of the latter. Many telling me that red should have been shown to Benzema and Ramos - did not see this? Can't believe so?

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  50. Does anybody have a link to the debatable PSG penalty? Not sure what happened with Pique and Mascherano too, sounds a bit messy.

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  51. Nikos, here is the link. I watched many many times and I still think it is not a penalty and a YC to attacker.
    http://www.matchhighlight.com/latest-goals/uefa/champion-league/paris-s-g-v-barcelona-champions-league/

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  52. Anonymous4/4/13 03:56

    Anonymous "number two" up there in the thread,

    Bare with me in this long comment and feel free to comment it.

    Of course - no one is more reliable than Collina! But if that was actually true, you'd know two things: it is a harsh world for referees. If UEFA can support the referee in any way; they do that. A crucial mistake and hence a 7.9 must be a really, really big mistake. For example - all these handball penalty situations... For us with some knowledge within the LoTG, these situations are very complicated and we all know that in almost every situation, there exists some good arguments for a penalty kick and some other good arguments for a non penalty call. If we have two situations that are exactly alike... One time - penalty. UEFA observer says: correct, because the hand was in an unnatural position. Next time - play on, and UEFA observer says: correct, because of the small distance according to the paragraph "unexpected ball". Always support the referee as long as it's possible.

    The second thing, regarding crucial mistakes: a yellow card decision is never crucial because it is always a yellow card, even if it is the second one for the player. The content is the same as above - support the referee.

    As I said before, I'm not big on ensuring things that I don't have all the facts around, but I'm at least pretty certain of one thing: this site and it's reports have a hell of a lot more "7.9:s" compared to UEFA:s official reports. It is actually quite unusual up there!

    Turan O & Nikos and everybody else,

    I believe that the penalty call in PSG-Barca is another example of a situation where the referee "gets right" no matter which option he chooses. Penalty = correct, because of the clear contact and Sirigus stupid and careless behavior. Play on or dive and hence yellow card = correct, because he was looking for a penalty and he went down too easy.

    Personally, I prefer the penalty call here - as Niclas often emphasize, the medial effects is (very unfortunately - it shouldn't be like this, but this is the world we live in) very important and they would have been bigger and more negative if the penalty wasn't whistled. We must take the offside goal into consideration as well as the incident with the two Barcelona players that had to leave the field! Because of all this, I really can't understand how anyone really thinks that a dive yellow is the best option... That could very well have led to the worst scandal since Ovrebo.

    No one has mentioned it before, but here is my heory about the referees and their actions in the hurt players situation: Stark and his team realized that it was a minor deal and one of the three involved referees saw that the Barca players first looked up and then lied down again when the two players saw that PSG had the possession of the ball... Therefore they wanted to punish them by first not stopping the play and then took them off the field, to let them know that this behavior won't "pay off"... For me: EXCELLENT!!!!! If this actually was the case and they explained it to the UEFA observer in their debriefing afterwards, my limited experience tells me that this is acceptable and the observer won't lover their mark because of this.

    Greetings and happy weekend!

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      You better revise your theory about second yellow card.I REPEAT MISSING A SECOND YELLOW CARD IS A CRUCIAL MISTAKE,for every federation all around the world.Ask before you say something,or listen to someone who knows better....
      And you better get a name two

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    2. darko is right in this case

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  53. I wasn't able to watch something yesterday, by the way the report about Eriksson will be ready for tmorrow, I think.
    Just a thing: it's impossible (in my opinion) to evaluate the situation of Yilmaz as dive, the foot is clearly hit by the opponent, as you can see also in the pic osted by Cagatay. Absolutely wrong YC, if you want you can also let the game flow, considering it not enough, but for me it was a penalty.
    Probably, the fault of the Turkish player is to fall so theatrically, just in order to get the whistle by the referee, a pity.

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  54. Anonymous4/4/13 09:16

    Forgive me for asking, but will there ever be a report of Dortmund-Shakhtar (Skomina) in English? Probably not. I'll have to take a Spansih course to read it...

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  55. As always, the comments yesterday were immediate post-match comments. I always watch the matches again in full length, which I will do tonight. From the first replay I saw of the dive call, I thought it's no penalty. But perhaps i am wrong, I'll see it again. Just a thing, Burak did not get a possible penalty either in Schalke (for me a good call by Eriksson). He often fell very theatrically. If I were Moen, I would have prepared for Real-Galatasaray by watching their latest matches. Perhaps he had something in mind and that led him to this call, I don't know. Some players do not get anything anymore because they are known as cheaters, that's not good, but sometimes (also and specially in Bundesliga) reality.

    Concerning 2nd yellow cards to be counted as crucial mistakes or not. I had, until yesterday, the info from a reliable source that it IS counted as crucial mistakes. Now this trouble here comes up. We never claimed to be as perfect as UEFA with this reporting system, neither to be 100% UEFA compliant. So until now we handled it as crucial mistakes actually. I'll try to check that.

    Regarding Alexis Sánchez' penalty. As I have said in a previous comment, it's to my mind a good call, although Sánchez naturally strived for the penalty. But in contrast to Lloris/Pedro, there was an active movement with the hand by the goalkeeper which clearly touched the striker before latter started to fall. So in this case it's rather one of those penalties I do not like to give, but you actually have to, (although I would have even had sympathy for a dive call to be honest).

    Your remark related to both Barca players is right. I also wrote it, they had time enough to raise their heads to follow the action. That's a reason to play on. But once they received medical treatment, it's impossible to think, to my mind, that both have to leave the field. At this point, it's an infringement. Then Stark should not have allowed medical treatment at all if they (AAR2 and ref) had been convinced by an act of simulation. But I don't want to imagine the trouble arousing by that either.

    @ Anonymous: you get your report, don't worry..it's on my agenda, but I cannot do everything at the same time. Keep in mind we run it non-professionally here.

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  56. By the way, these are the guidelines on which we agreed for our observing work. http://s1.directupload.net/images/130404/xfox2tx2.pdf

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  57. http://refereesfifa.blogspot.de/2013/04/2013-afc-cup-referees-dropped-over.html

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  58. Anonymous6/4/13 14:43

    Stop write such ridiculous reports PLS!!!'It was a clear foul and to me it is a big borderline call. It is at least a yellow card and red card would also be understandable.'about Ribery foul. Are you serious man?! When PSG-Barca report??

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  59. You ask for reports although you think they are ridiculous? Be consistent man!

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