April 22, 2013

Björn Kuipers to handle BVB - Real

Having been one of not many referees who were able to show a really convincing performance in the quarterfinals, Dutchman Björn Kuipers and his team have been assigned to take charge of Wednesday's UEFA Champions League semifinal clash between Borussia Dortmund and Real Madrid. Kuipers thus crowns his excellent season in both UEFA club competitions.


24 April 2013, 20:45 CET
(c) Murat Ilgaz
Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund, Germany
Borussia Dortmund - Real Madrid
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Richard Liesveld (NED)
Fourth Official: Berry Simons (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Petr Fousek (CZE)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Günter Risse (GER)

99 Comments:

  1. It is also interesting that UEFA removed Boonman from the team to replace him by Simons, who is much more experienced and could face a tough evening with Klopp and Mourinho. That must be the reason for this change.

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  2. Alternative Predictions for second legs:

    Barcelona - Bayern: Stéphane Lannoy (FRA)
    Real - Dortmund: Damir Skomina (SVN)

    After today, I start believing in them.

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    1. Anonymous22/4/13 18:12

      Lannoy is one referee enough middling.
      With him, Real 4 BD 1.

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  3. Sorry for triple posting.
    But I think with regard to Wembley we must keep everything in mind. So do you think that Lannoy perhaps even has the slightest chance to go into the CL final?

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    1. Well, it's possible. However he has just returned from a lengthy injury and has had only one Champions League appointment all season. It is more likely that he will receive the Europa League final. Although, he wasn't in top form in the Chelsea vs Steau Bucharest game. I can't look past Rizzoli or Brych for the CL final.

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  4. Bjorn Kuipers thoroughly deserves his appointment. For me he was the stand out performer in the quarter finals. This means one of Webb, Skomina, Proenca and maybe even Rizzoli will miss out on a Champions League semi-final appointment.

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  5. So, Kuipers. Appointment decided after the performance in Barcelona - PSG, under the eyes of Vassaras. For me, unexpected.
    Now at least one name between Skomina, Proença and Webb is out from semifinals, and probably also from the final.
    I think that this name is Howard Webb. I'm almost sure about Proença and Skomina in second legs. Skomina in Barcelona - Bayern and Proença in Real Madrid - Dortmund.
    For me, Lannoy has not chances for Wembley, but I'm sure we will read his name for a EL semifinal, or even final.
    Cuneyt Cakir seems to be confirmed out from the whole CL after Manchester - Real.

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    1. Anonymous22/4/13 18:14

      Proença with Mourinho? Another Benquerença...

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    2. I don't know. Still think Cakir is in it but they gave him a break to let the heat die down.

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  6. My new prediction is:
    Barcelona-Bayern: Cakir
    Real-Dortmund: Rizzoli
    Final: Skomina

    IMO, an appointment of Cakir in this match should not be a big problem and would be deserved. Of course it depends on his true mark in ManU-Real. The other two names could be switched, but if performances count, it should be this way. Webb and Proenca need to get the EL first legs then, because teams from their country are still involved.
    It will be very interesting, whether we can read the "big names" tomorrow.

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    1. Can Skomina have the UEFA Super cup and then Champions League final? I don't know about you but I think that is a bit unfair on the rest of the candidates.

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    2. Anonymous22/4/13 16:19

      Could Webb have the CL final and then the World Cup final? Could Proenca have the CL final and then the EURO final? ... Such "statistical" viewing is nonsense.

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    3. I'm sorry if I offended you. I was just putting my point of view across. I can't remember seeing a referee officiate the UEFA Super cup and the Champions League final in the same season.

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    4. Anonymous22/4/13 17:52

      You haven't offended me. :) Just saying that IMO it wouldn't be wise to exclude referees just because of such a formalistic reason.

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    5. Anonymous22/4/13 19:09

      Rizzoli is best referre that Skomina, I think.

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    6. Anonymous22/4/13 20:10

      That was not the point of this discussion at all.

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  7. Anonymous22/4/13 15:59

    Lannoy and Proenca for CL semis, Skomina for final. I don't think supercup should be reason not to appoint Skomina in final if he deserves it, and he does. I think we'll see Cakir and Webb in EL semis, I really don't know who could be two other names but I would like to see Undiano and Benquerenca. IMO, EL final shoud go to Collum.
    About Rizzoli: I think disalowed goal in Malaga-Porto was crucial mistake, I know it didn't influence on final result but it was very big mistake.

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  8. Anonymous22/4/13 17:26

    In a year with no English teams in the UCL semi-finals, Webb must get something, so I see him doing one the second legs.

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    1. Anonymous22/4/13 17:50

      Observers' names for second legs are an argument against Webb and/or Proenca (they don't "need" them). I believe we could expect Skomina and Cakir/Lannoy.

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    2. Anonymous22/4/13 18:16

      Second legs for Webb and Skomina.

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    3. Anonymous22/4/13 19:12


      OK.

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  9. Anonymous22/4/13 19:09

    My appointments:

    Webb, Proenca - 1/2 CL
    Skomina - final LM

    Brych, Lannoy, Benquerenca, Velasco Carballo - 1/2 EL
    Collum - final LE

    :)

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    1. Anonymous22/4/13 19:11

      Velasco Carballo must be at Amsterdam and not Collum.

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    2. Anonymous22/4/13 19:19

      Collum had a great season, no crucial mistakes, very good 1/4 EL. He deserves further appointment.

      Carballo has EL final in his palmares, so I don't think he has a chance to double it.

      Someone will say: it's Collum's first season as Elite. I will say: as Carballo's one when he got his final appointment.

      By the way, I see huge Scottish opponent here on the blog ;)

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      JAE PARKINSON

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    3. Anonymous22/4/13 20:05

      I nearly agree with you.
      Webb and Proenca in CL semi!
      1. Teams of England and Portugal in EL semi. Sending Webb or Proenca to EL semi would be controversial.
      2. IMO it is impossible that Proenca does not get a CL KO-stage-match being world ref.
      3. Proenca either had Barcelona nor Bayern this season. So everything indicates that he will go to Camp Nou.
      4. Real had no english ref this year. Furthermore, Webb has a lot of experience with Real and with german-spanish clashes.

      EL semi: Brych, Eriksson, Lannoy, Velasco
      EL final: Skomina

      best regards phil

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    4. I am actually 100% sure that Skomina gets a semifinal in CL. Then for me the question is: will Proenca either go directly into a semifinal without earlier K.O. match in CL? Or will Webb be left out after his missed red card in Donetsk? Difficult. At the moment I think Proenca to Camp Nou and Skomina to Madrid, although Jozef Marko is there..he is from Slovakia, so no problem, but he already had Skomina in Sweden-England..and now again? Don't know. Lannoy and Rizzoli are also possible names. After yesterday and today, we know that we cannot be sure, UEFA makes brave decisions one is sometimes unable to predict.

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  10. Bjorn Kuipers in the 1\2 CHAMPIONS-LEAGUE-FINALS, wich obserwer member of the UEFA-REFEREES-COMMITEE. So you should expect a 40 year old Dutchman in the FINAL, but I think it will EROPA-LEAGUE

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  11. I m really intriged to see who will handle Basel - Chelsea in front off Handel.

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    1. Its Kralovec to handle it

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    2. Anonymous25/4/13 23:06

      Kralovec,Moen,Collum.Çakir,Lannoy.....
      discovery of inept Collina.

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  12. Off topic: Mark Clattenburg will officiate his first Chelsea match since he was cleared of racially abusing John Obi Mikel. For me the PGMO should have done this a while ago.

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  13. Velasco Carballo is of course impossible for a semifinal. However, I think it is quite certain that UEFA won't leave out English and Spanish referees from the last 10 matches. So, I am quite sure that Undiano Mallenco will get Fenerbahce-Benfica, if he is allowed to get a further match, keeping in mind there has been some trouble in the aftermath of his CL round of 16 match. Velasco could go to Stamford Bridge once again, where he already was in the group stage.
    Concerning Collum, yes he was very good, but I think the season is over for him. There are other referees who have bigger chances in my opinion. Collum's time will come in the next years.

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    1. **Velasco is impossible for EL final!

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    2. Anonymous23/4/13 09:55

      Why? At Juventus-Bayern he was perfect
      when Beckenbauer sais one thousands
      absurditys.

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    3. Anonymous23/4/13 09:57

      Velasco now is better that Undiano.

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  14. Anonymous22/4/13 23:14

    Today Cakir officiated a Turkish Super League match with only Ongun at the side from his usual team. So, i don't think he has a match on EL semis this week.

    Ilhan

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  15. Anonymous22/4/13 23:52

    Hi all
    I would like to see Czech Elite official Pavel Královec in Europa League final.
    His last performance was really solid, I want to ask if, according to your sources, Vítor Melo Pereira can be considered as important observer, in order to get something important.
    Thank you

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  16. Melo Pereira seems to be one of the most important observers who are not joining the committee. So this could be a sign for a final, yes.

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  17. Milorad Mazic for Fenerbahce v Benfica
    Huge appoitment for him.
    Congragulations!!!

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  18. Kralovec for the other semifinal

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  19. Anonymous23/4/13 10:25

    Wow... what a surprise!! First Kuipers, now Kralovec and Mazic! This mean a lot of experienced Elite officials will not get a (semi)final. Six places left for referees like Webb, Rizzoli, Proenca, Skomina, Brych, Lannoy, Eriksson, Cakir, Moen, Rocchi, Undiano Mallenco.


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    1. Anonymous23/4/13 13:42

      Eriksson, Moen, Rocchi, Undiano Mallenco will be for sure out due to their bad performances

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  20. Anonymous23/4/13 10:27

    A committee member for Kralovec, but not for Mazic; strange. Uefa seems sure about promotion for Mazic.

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    1. Anonymous23/4/13 10:31

      Mazic was observed by Collina in his last match, now it seems clear that this emifinal will be his last match for this season, a committee member is not needed.
      It's also a reward for Hauge.

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  21. I am stunned. Since Cakir in 2010 we haven't seen an ED referee be in charge of a EL SF. Collina must really trust Mazic.

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    1. Anonymous23/4/13 10:44

      Mazic showed to be the best referee, please tell me if you remember a serious mistake by him in the last matches

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    2. Anonymous23/4/13 11:33

      Çakir,Collum,Mazic,Lannoy....are the caprices
      of Collina, Dallas and Batta.

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    3. I don't say he didn't deserved it just all those years we thought that only Elite referees are getting those matches.

      And yes Mazic has a very good season.

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    4. UEFA and their performance principle, I am positively stunned by the last two days' appointments. <3

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  22. Nic,i told you that i was 100 % sure that Mažić will get another match in EL.
    Very good season and good performance in front of Colina‘s eyes must be awarded :)

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  23. And I was wrong when stating Tottenham-Basel would have been Radojcic's last UEFA match..

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    1. UEFA has nominated all 6 names, which is another oddity. This is data that has been officially made available on the Football Association of Serbia!

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  24. Award for long-term teammate Radojčić,absolutely deserved of course.

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  25. Blog Observer
    Nik Askitopoulos (ENG)

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  26. Anonymous23/4/13 21:43

    I'm wondering if Dallas in Dortmund could mean that Kuipers is being considered for EL final ...

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    1. He could be along with Eriksson and Lannoy.

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    2. Anonymous24/4/13 20:50

      Impossibile for Kuipers, because the final will be played in Amsterdam.

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    3. Anonymous24/4/13 21:46

      Of course. My mistake.

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  27. Anonymous24/4/13 21:16

    Why is that impossible?

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  28. Anonymous24/4/13 21:28

    Penalty missed by Kuipers

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    1. No penalty, it seemed like simulation.

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    2. Anonymous24/4/13 21:32

      Dont agree at all, he was searching for the penalty. His leg went to the leg of the defender, not vice versa.

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  29. Anonymous24/4/13 21:35

    WOW, what the brilliant call by Kuipers. One of the best decisions EVER. No penalty, no dive - PLAY ON!!!

    FANTASTIC PERFORMANCE IN 1ST HALF - JUST BRILLIANT!!!

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  30. No simulation, no foul. Reus undeliberately ran into Varane's leg..letting the play go on was the only correct decision.
    Apart from that cool and good performance. Stayed calm and self-confident after the non-given penalty.

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  31. Kuipers (+team) nearly faultless so far, I think.
    In the penalty situation there was contact, but not enough for a penalty. YC for simulation was possible, but he probably was not completely sure, so playing on was the best solution IMO.

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    1. Anonymous24/4/13 21:39

      I think he was 100% sure, probable communication with AAR1 and the best possible position to observe that duel. Just fantastic!

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  32. The only "mistake" I detected, but it was no real mistake, there was an advantage given to Real in 45'. He could have issued a yellow afterwards to a Dortmund defender (Schmelzer or Bender, not sure). But doing nothing afterwards was ok as well, to avoid that the crowd would be too much heated.

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  33. Anonymous24/4/13 21:55

    Superb NO CALL by AR2

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  34. Anonymous24/4/13 21:56

    It was offside? I haven't seen it.

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    1. Anonymous24/4/13 21:57

      No offiside, only the arm seemed in offside but of course it doesn't count.

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  35. Anonymous24/4/13 22:09

    Clear penalty, well done by Kuipers.
    But strange card management.

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  36. Anonymous24/4/13 22:21

    78' first offside mistake by AR2

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  37. Anonymous24/4/13 22:21

    77th - no offside. AR2 mistake.

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  38. I think he got it just right. Even by an inch. Camera angle not ideal.

    Kuipers and team been superb.

    Surely Brych has a chance now that there are 2 German teams confirmed for the final? Philosophically speaking, the least bias choice :)

    (but I think not, for a number of reasons in addition ha)

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    1. Anonymous24/4/13 22:42

      Maybe you don't know that Felix Brych is from Munchen. he isn't allowed to handle this team

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    2. Ever heard sarcasm?

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  39. Quality performance from Kuipers and his team. In control of the match from the first minute to the last. Based on his last two performances, surely a certainty for Brazil now?

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  40. Great representation by Dutch referee team.
    As far as I have seen, half of Reus' body is in offside, I believe that is also correct.

    Well, I dont know whether UEFA has a special plan with EL final, but Kuipers would be great overthere.

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  41. Great performance, Björn shows them all how to do it. Calm, respected by players, good decisions and a good team around him. Simply an excellent football evening, except for Real fans of course.
    Yellow card management not excellent though, Lewandowski's and Ramos' a bit exaggerated..also the throw-in before the 1-1 is said to have been wrong, but at the end, surely no crucial mistake in this match.
    Could we book Kuipers for London please? CONMEBOL is doing it for years, final referees of Copa Libertadores get a semifinal's first leg and then the final.
    At least EL final seems to be "mandatory" now..

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    1. Should be given chance to referees who do the work without the crucial mistakes, that have continuity-stability- it's the right decision. A chance the " big names "- wrong, we did.

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  42. Excellent performance by Kuipers, if you ask me.
    The only possible mistake was the wrong offside call also underlined by several anonymous here.
    But the calls were great, for me clear penalty given and also good choice to let the game flow in first half.
    An excellent work under the eyes of Dallas, but for me it's sure that it was his last match for this year.
    We are anyway talking about a CL semifinal...

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    1. He could follow the Velasco example..semifinal in UCL very well done and then a final where everybody said "Portugal-Portugal, Spanish officials won't get that"...and now many say "No Dutch officials for Amsterdam final"...in my opinion, you do not send a vice chief officer if you do not consider Kuipers for EL final. And after today I would go so far, as already said, that they have no other chance to do so.

      By the way, the penalty was of course correct, clumsy and stupid tackle.

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    2. Yes, Niclas. But there are many referees and many choices, even though you are right, this evening probably we saw the first faultless performance of a referee in CL KO stage match :D
      And again, he already got Super Cup in 2011, there are officials without any final in their palmares, I understand your point of view, but UEFA must offer a big choice of referees.

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    3. Yes and here I slightly disagree, it was said somewhere earlier. There are not many referees who showed convincing performances. The status quo does not correspond to what UEFA should strive for, i.e. that Kuipers' level of performance is the rule. And in this K.O. stage, that was not the case.

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    4. Maybe Kuipers will be appointed as fourth official in CL final.
      BTW is it confirmed that the fourth official will be a Elite referee with the presence of the reserve assistant referee?

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    5. Good question, only UEFA knows that.
      As the fourth officials in UCL and UEL have been assistant referees in this season, I see no reason to change that. If Rizzoli is appointed, an all-Italian crew could be possible (something like Rizzoli, Faverani, Stefani, Valeri, Mazzoleni, Di Liberatore (4th) and Di Fiore (reserve)...but I really don't know how they will make it this time.

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    6. Reserve assistant plus assistant referee as 4th official seems not necessary to me.
      If the 4th official is not a referee, they could also appoint more experienced referees as AARs than usual (e.g. Rocchi)

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  43. Anonymous24/4/13 23:14

    Well done by Kuipers and his team, good team performance. How do you think his chances are for Brazil after this two good performances?

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  44. That may not depend on two performances, but they have surely not decreased. A lot will depend on the fifa tournaments and qualifier matches.

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  45. Anonymous24/4/13 23:34

    Fully agree with Niclas here! It must be the final for Kuipers when we consider only the level of performances! Nice job and... do you really think that Kassai would whistle that pen? I'm sure he wouldn't! Full control, huge calm, some minor mistakes, but c'mon... If you ask me, the best trio this season is: Kuipers, Mazic, Skomina.

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  46. I have rewatched the throw-in given to Real before the 1-1 goal, it was a wrong decision. Of course no huge mistake, but a very small spot on his great performance.

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  47. Anonymous25/4/13 11:12

    I want to ask Mourinho what he means saying: "Borussia goals? There were mistakes by us and the referee".

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  48. He probably thinks he has seen that it was no penalty and an offside goal from his bench..I like these "the world's best coaches and players", they cannot lose.

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  49. This morning here in Italy many people and newspapers sare saying that the penalty was soft.
    I don't like this point of view.
    It was to me a clear foul, the plyer was pushed in a blatant way, you can't allow this kind of action.
    Of course, if a foul like this is committed in the middle of the field, nobody say anything.
    Kuipers was right in his whistle, furthermore, just prior to his decision, watching the match live, I mmediately said in my mind "Penalty!"

    Anonymous: it seems clear to me that Mourinho doesn't know that sometimes he can lose.

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  50. I did so, too. It might look soft in the replays, but in the total pace, it appeared very clear to me. The German commentary was additionally thinking about a possible dogso, but no, perhaps yellow would have been ok, but no card suits fine as well.

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  51. Anonymous26/4/13 15:37

    Hi,

    First of all - an excellent blog and I read with amusement all the time!

    Being an observer myself in a country that uses an exact replica of the UEFA scale (Sweden), I would like to comment on the report on Kuipers match in Dortmund this week. The report is well written, but the marks are not in line with the wording, at least not in my view.

    I just wanted to highlight that it is impossible to give a referee 8,8 in a normal match. The guidelines say that if the match is "normal" (as stated for Kuipers in the report) then the referee can be given a maximum of 8,3 or 8,4 if he makes no mistakes at all. It is possible to give 8,5 if there are exceptional circumstances, for example if the referee, through his outstanding performance, has transformed what otherwise would be a quite difficult match to be only "normal". But this is rarely the case.

    Higher than that is not possible. So - in order to get 8,5 or above, the match has to be viewed upon as challenging or very challenging.

    From my perspective I would say that a UEFA Champions League semi final in front of a full crowd in Germany, between Dortmund and Real Madrid, should be viewed upon as quite challenging and not normal. You must weigh in the importance of the match, the hostility of the crowd, the managers and the entire setting - not only the match situations themselves - when you ascertain the difficulty of the game. And there surely were some critical decisions that were not that easy to solve for Kuipers.

    So - my view is that the match would be seen as quite challenging for Kuipers - and he got all the major decisions right. So in my book I would probably stretch to 8,6 for his performance. 8,8 would be too much, in my view anyway.

    Greetings from Sweden

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  52. Thanks a lot for your view.
    When I got the report, our observer (Nikos) originally marked Kuipers with 9.0. We discussed about the mark and agreed on the "middle" of our views in 8.8. As we depend on comments like your's - we cannot have insight in UEFA's books - this will help us in future. So I ask everybody to read the report and pay attention to the marks in a second step. Nonetheless thanks and it will help us to improve in future.

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