April 7, 2013

Lannoy, Thomson, Velasco and Kuipers to manage Champions League quarterfinals second legs

UEFA has released the appointments for the two first quarterfinals' second legs to be played between Borussia Dortmund and Málaga CF (refereed by Craig Thomson) as well as between Galatasaray and Real Madrid (refereed by Stéphane Lannoy). In addition, according to reliable sources, Carlos Velasco Carballo of Spain will handle the second leg of Juventus Turin - Bayern München.

Stéphane Lannoy to attend his first CL game of the season (c) ZIMBIO


09 April 2013, 20:45 CET
Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund, Germany
Borussia Dortmund - Málaga CF [0:0]
Referee: Craig Thomson (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Derek Rose (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: Alasdair Ross (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Steven McLean (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Kevin Clancy (SCO)
Fourth Official: Graham Chambers (SCO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vaclav Krondl (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Kenneth Tallinger (SWE)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Günter Risse (GER)

09 April 2013, 20:45 CET
Ali Sami Yen Spor Kompleksi, Istanbul, Turkey
Galatasaray - Real Madrid [0:3]
Referee: Stéphane Lannoy (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Frédéric Cano (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Michaël Annonier (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Antony Gautier (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Fourth Official: Laurent Stien (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Neale Barry (ENG)
UEFA Delegate: Balász Makray (HUN)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: ?

10 April 2013, 20:45 CET
Juventus Stadium, Turin, Italy
Juventus Turin - Bayern München [0:2]
Referee: Carlos Velasco Carballo (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Carlos Clos Gómez (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Carlos Del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Fourth Official: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: László Vagner (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Dennis Cruise (IRL)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: Fabrizio Malacart (ITA)

10 April 2013, 20:45 CET
Camp Nou, Barcelona, Spain
FC Barcelona - Paris Saint-Germain [2:2]
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Richard Liesveld (NED)
Fourth Official: Angelo Boonman (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)*
UEFA Delegate: René Eberle (SUI)
UEFA Referee Liaison Officer: António Uzcudun Gómez (ESP)

* UEFA Referee Committee member

138 Comments:

  1. Anonymous7/4/13 11:26

    Another time the middling Thomson?
    Collina,Collina...each time worse.

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  2. After these appointments, I think that we have a clear pattern.
    Kuipers is confirmed for CL, so the match is surely Barça-PSG. Very important test for him.
    Then, the four semifinals: Webb, Kassai, Proença and Skomina.
    Final for Rizzoli or Brych, it depends on the teams.
    What do you think?
    Anyway, very important appointment for Lannoy, even though he was out from the whole group stage, they still rely on him.
    The match seems already decided but in Galatasaray Arena will is always difficult to face the crowd...

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    1. Anonymous8/4/13 11:49

      Lannoy is required. Galatasaray seen Sunday against the bottom Club in Turkey (3-1) in the TV, scandalous behavior by players and trainers Galatasaray. Coach Terim is freaked out! The man would be locked in a UEFA game a year. But in Turkey?

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  3. It depends on the drawings. If two German and two Spanish teams qualify for semifinals and if the drawing will allocate them to each other (meaning we have el clásico and Bayern-Dortmund in the semifinals), then Brych is not out from a semifinal. I think he is one of those referees UEFA could trust a clásico. It seems very obvious that for exactly this reason UEFA keeps every opportunity with regard to appointing Pedro Proenca. At any rate, I think that at the moment Rizzoli has the best chances, although I again stress that, others have performed by far better throughout the whole season.

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    1. Or maybe they could appoint both Rizzoli and Brych for a EL semifinal, wating for the CL final.
      It would be more reasonable, because I think that the 4 names (Webb, Proença, Skomina, Kasai) are going to be surely appointed in CL!


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    2. I agree with this logic.

      I don't know why you rule out Cakir from the final or second leg semi CL though? Please explain!

      I am still thinking he or Skomina for the final - of course Rizzoli has a chance, and would be a logical appointment given he was very unlucky not to receive last season or the season before.

      I will thus predict this:

      Real v Barca: Rizzoli/ Brych & Proenca
      Dortmund v Bayern: Kassai & Skomina

      Final: Cakir / Rizzoli

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      I think it too early for Brych I really do - and as you have stated before, this season has not been his best.

      Happy to admit error in Lannoy evaluation but as has been said he is a 'trusted and experienced referee' so a less than challenging match at Gala is a fair appointment. Just thought it was an opportunity to reward a younger, more 'in form' official.

      Chef

      A final comment - nice report (as usual) on Clatts, but I have to say that it is an 8.5 performance at least. His overall control and AoL (we disagree on YC for dives, I think they were played for with theatrical movement) with great positioning should be commended I think.

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    3. Sorry Chef, the last comment was meant for Turan… :)

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    4. Anonymous8/4/13 05:31

      Oh, the 9,5 is highly probable! Only wait for Clattenburg next match, maybe EL final this season? Such performance must be gratified!

      Hah, really funny :D

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    5. Nikos, I was actually thinking 8.4 but since he missed the clear foul on Ribery I chopped him off :) that and not knowing why he gave a YC for Mandzukic (together it brought me to a 8.3) But I liked his style and positioning. I don't know if I mentioned in the report but he almost never had to sprint throughout the game because he was always well positioned the play didn't require him sprint at all. YC for dives are OK but I think a good man management would be more appropriate there. That's one thing I like about English referees and he didn't show it to me there :)

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    6. Hi Nikos.
      About Cakir, it's simply said: I think that UEFA is forced to leave him out from CL until the end of this season. The reasons seems to me clear: even though the red card given was not evaluated as a blatant or crucial mistake, they have to take into account the astonishment of the people who watched the game. Can you guess another important appointment and a mistake made by Cakir? Of course, I don't whish it, but it can happen and UEFA would be in a real embarrassment. In a few words, I think thay for this year is enough and they should "protect" the Turkish referee. I could anyway guess a Europa League appointment for him, maybe a semifinal, but also here many doubts.
      This is my point of view, of course nothing against the referees, but sometimes you have to consider also external situations.

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    7. Concerning Brych, perhaps here and there controversial decisions existed (Celtic-Spartak penalty, Braga-ManU penalty), but just looking at the palmarès, we also find Spain-France and Real-ManU. Furthermore, he got important matches in Germany this season and showed his best national season of his career (I would say so). So let's wait and see.
      I have no idea how UEFA will deal with Cakir, I would give him a semifinal in EL, depending on Fenerbahce of course.
      Concerning the report on Clattenburg, it is to my mind no 8.5 at least. I could also imagine that many of us consider his missed foul (Ribery) as reason enough to give 7.9 or so..

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    8. Hi Turan hope you are well

      I understand your logic - I suppose the debate again then is 'How do FIFA decree these one-off incidents (borderline crucial mistakes)' that we here on the blog take a focus on? For me, great match control and AoL trumps this, where for example he may have just seen it as a 'coming together' as many of us missed it first time - it is natural to look at upper bodies here.

      Re YC for diving - I again see your point but I back MC - as his style clearly changes for CL and actually there was a PL directive this term on simulation. Lichsteiner clearly kicks ball out of play and aims to body check defender - and though Gustavo could well be a foul, why does he pull knees up as he falls to floor?? :) On positioning, you scored him 'expected'?

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      I'll trust you on Brych - but I am only going of CL performances as we often say on this blog - ie you tell me National perfs not as important (?)

      Chef

      I just see no reason to eliminate our form referee due to OT incident? Collina backed him I believe so there shouldnt be more to it than that surely? Re 'shock' - many friends of mine were there and do talk of this 'shock' but I think it a misnomer personally. I think in any slightly contentious RC decision there is this shock - simply because the tactic (and heavily coached) here for the referee is to approach calmly, await the player to stand up; discuss with AR/4th on mic and get to the right decision. You know as well as I that this diffuses the tempo of the game and allows the crowd to settle ... anyways, I take your point but Im gambling on a big appt for him ...

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    9. First I must express that I do not share your views on the often described incident in minute 83, Turan and Nikos. For me there is no reason to call Ribery's missed foul a borderline situation. Straight red, 100%.
      You are right, when we talk about CL finals and so on, the performances on the international stage should prevail. My comment was just referring to your's saying it is not his best season. In CL that may count, on the whole, rather not.
      It was more than this one to my mind correct sending-off, according to what many sources say, Collina was angry that Ferdinand was not sent off after the final whistle. We have seen experienced players and the most experienced European coach misbehaving after the final whistle due to Cakir and his decision(s). The FA has its birthday, it will be Wembley. Really, I fear that the political factor will exclude this referee from this final, not because it would not be deserved, but just because of politics and also preventing polemics BEFORE the starting kick-off. Keep in mind Cakir also sent off Terry, Gerrard and Balotelli when he still played for Man City..that is just what the media may be waiting for, there could be more pressure on Cakir than needed/acceptable.

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    10. FYI: I have been giving referees 7.9 for a while, therefore I didn't want to have a reputation of 7.9 lover in the blog :)

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    11. @Turan

      This is not a reason. Since the referee at least for me did such a big mistake he should have been marked with 7.9.

      We said it many times. We have to look to each match without having in our mind previous performances or marks.

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    12. On the other hand, we would have had 10x 7.8 or 7.9 in the 20 r16/qf matches. I guess UEFA has not more than 3 or 4 of these marks in their book. That does not mean they are right and we are wrong, but it does not mean the opposite either.

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  4. And a small remark, I have not found any website stating that Kuipers has CL. There were comments in the blog, not more (without devaluating their contents). So there is also the small possibility that Vassaras observes Cakir in Camp Nou, although I do not find this possibility very probable.

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    1. Thomas H.7/4/13 12:08

      Okay, my source is not reliable. First he said team Kuipers would have a CL return quarter final. Now they only have a chance to be appointed for a CL or EL return quarter final, according to him. Yes thanks, we knew that already. It's called being in the Elite group. Sorry to mislead you guys, it's not by any means certain Kuipers has a second leg.

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    2. No problem. But it would be very surprising if Kuipers is totally left out from K.O. stage in CL. He had three good group stage performances..

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  5. Europa League predictions:

    Rubin - Chelsea: Undiano
    Lazio - Fenerbahce: Proenca
    Newcastle - Benfica: Bebek
    Basel - Tottenham: Aydinus

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    1. Are you counting out Undiano from CL?

      It was said in comments atleast that Hagen would have EL match aswell.

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    2. Oh I missed that. Then probably Basel-Tottenham. Juan Fernández Marín as observer indicates there is someone not that experienced but promising in Basel.

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    3. Anonymous7/4/13 12:22

      Manuel GrÄfe is very best that Aydinus.

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    4. Aydinus most probably has an EL 1/4. He was at second league this week with whole team.

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  6. I'm going to think that Manchester United - Real Madrid was the last match for Cakir this season.
    Maybe a few chances in Europa League...

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    1. Anonymous7/4/13 17:24

      Hi Chefren,
      First of Rizzoli will not be appoined for CL match because of very bad performans in Malaga
      Also Proenca will not get semi final in CL becUse of poor performance during the season
      Cakir and Skomina will both take charge of finals CL and EL


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    2. It is difficult..
      Rizzoli had two good group stage performances and Schalke-Arsenal was only so-so..not really good. Then Málaga-Porto, lacks of control, a wrongly disallowed goal and in my eyes also a missed red card. That actually cannot be good enough for a final. But..nothing against Koho, but the observer Ilkka Koho of Finland was perhaps not the strongest choice UEFA could have made to assess his performance. Furthermore, Málaga-Porto was not the most important clash in R16. I guess in May nobody of the media experts would remember this match when reporting about the final referee Rizzoli.

      Proenca had indeed a weak group stage if we consider his missed penalty in Chelsea-Juventus and his wrong penalty in Málaga-Milan as crucial mistakes made by him. Ajax-Dortmund was sovereign. Tottenham-Lyon, not sure, but I have not heard anything wrong about this performance. I cannot imagine he gets nothing.

      And finally, Skomina has a good chance too, he is independent from the final teams and only had Dortmund, all the other teams are already out (he could handle Real once again as he had them on MD1).

      Rocchi for the semifinals is a good idea, as long as he is not appointed tomorrow, which is quite sure after his EL match last week.

      I am not the most neutral person, but I would dare to say that Brych would be the smoothest choice for the final, the problems are called Bayern München and Borussia Dortmund.

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  7. Hi guys who will judge ciekawe second leg match at the NOU-CAMP. Surely someone who can be a judgein the finale, when the observer is Kyrros Vassaras, and he is a member of the UEFA.

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  8. Anonymous7/4/13 17:45

    I think that Barcelona-PSG, should be for Howard Webb.

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    1. Anonymous7/4/13 19:29

      It´s possible.

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  9. What about Rocchi as a possible semifinal referee since Rizzoli did a little mess in Malga?

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  10. And a small remark: Lannoy has huge chances to handle Amsterdam final, I think.

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    1. Anonymous7/4/13 19:51

      Yes. He was the fourth official in the last final

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  11. Its Kuipers for Barca-psg and of course Carballo for Juventus-Bayern

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    1. Thanks as always, Kika. Here the full:

      Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
      Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
      Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
      Additional Assistant Referee 1: Pol van Boekel (NED)
      Additional Assistant Referee 2: Richard Liesveld (NED)
      Fourth Official: Angelo Boonman (NED)
      UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)

      So again, after a year, Kuipers back at Camp Nou, maybe a questionable choice but an important test for him!

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    2. One of the most reliable referees of this club competition season gets one of the most relevant matches in this round, with regard to the observer and the first leg's background. Good choice in my opinion.

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  12. Blog Observers

    Galatasaray - Real Madrid (Lannoy): Philipp S. (GER)
    Borussia Dortmund - Málaga (Thomson): Nik Askitopoulos (ENG)
    Barcelona - PSG (Kuipers): Edward A. (GRE)
    Juventus - Bayern (Velasco Carballo): Josh R. (GER, tbc)

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  13. One piece of info

    UEFA has informed the Greek football Association that Anastasios Sidiropoulos has been appointed as Referee at the final tournament for UEFA U17 held in Slovakia (5-17 May).

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    1. Thanks for this info. So each of the promising development referees from Greece have/had a mini-tournament now. Tritsonis in 2011 (u17), Sidiripoulos in 2013 (u17) and Spathas in 2013 (AAR u21). I also expect to read a German name among the u17 appointments, since the team failed to qualify. It would be a rare chance to appoint Fritz or Welz e.g.

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  14. Anonymous8/4/13 21:44

    What do you think of the performance of Tagliavento in Fiorentina - Milan? Two debatable penalty`s and a straight red card.

    http://video.sport1.nl/main/clips/32160/nog-een-goedkope-fiorentina-strafschop
    http://video.sport1.nl/main/clips/32159/strafschop-als-goedmakertje
    http://video.sport1.nl/main/clips/32158/onterecht-rood-voor-fiorentina

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    1. The red card was harsh, but to my mind acceptable. There was a punch with the upper arm/elbow, if not aimed at hitting the opponent, what else? But for the good of the game, Tagliavento better had chosen the yellow card.

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    2. Today I can give the official evaluation made by AIA (direct sources): they of course tend to stay with the referee, in the most of cases, so they have accepted both penalties whistled. The handball at the end of the match was evaluated more penalty than nothing, but the big mistake was the red card. According to AIA, it was neither a elbow (so, violent conduct) nor a DOGSO. The YC was the right choice. Tagliavento will have a suspension of 2 or 3 matches and he will be back for the last part of the season, being appointed in not important games. This is the second time this year after Juventus-Inter for Palo... not the best season.

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  15. How did Mazoleni do?

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    1. Very diffcult match for Mazzoleni, yesterday.
      Even though you can read a notable number of YC, the game was always under the control of the referee.
      Important situations to be underlined: the first penalty was whistled for a handball by Marquinhos, the decision is correct. The player tried to control using his chest but he was naive in his moving. You can look for a video and understand what I mean. Then, the second penalty was also clear and correct to me: foul by Hernanes on Pjanic. Furthermore, another contact in penalty are for which Roma made complaints, between Lamela and Radu, but here it's very difficult to evaluate. We can share the decision of the referee, borderline situation. Not clear foul, as the previous.
      Card mangement: probably the first yellow to Biava was harsh, but the second was totally correct.
      I think that in a so challenging match Mazzoleni did a good work. Even though he is known as a refeere who tends often to avoid cards, yesterday he was forced in using them.His performance can be evaluated maybe not excellent as he did Milan-Inter, but still quite good. Reliable referee.
      Stefani and Faverani without very difficult calls, I can just report a correct flag by Stefani.
      Not difficult for them.
      AARs not involved... the penalties were whistled directly by Mazzoleni.

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    2. Thanks for that analysis, I was unable to watch the match unfortunately. Also good to see IAI's assessment of this elbow, by the way, who makes these decisions? Is Collina directly involved here in any way?

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    3. No, Collina is not still involved, having left our serie A for the UEFA committee.
      The evaluations are made by the head of serie A referees committee, Stefano Braschi, of course along with the other members. When there is a difficult and controversial situation, as it was Juventus-Genoa and the handball not whistled, they look for info to UEFA (so, Collina) and FIFA if needed... this is what I know.
      Anyway, to explain it better AIA is the whole association of Italian referees, and the president is Marcello Nicchi. Then, in the association there are many committees, and of course who is involved for serie A decisions, appointments and so on is the "CAN A" committee, chaired by Stefano Braschi. Every year, this role can be replaced, now he have him since Collina left, that is July 2010.

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    4. *now WE have him

      sorry....

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    5. Ok, I remember you told me that already. Thanks again :)

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    6. We have an association totally independent from the football federation (FIGC).
      This is the difference between italy and other countries, under this aspect, for example, in Germany everything is still under the DFB, am I wrong?

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    7. Yes, partly. On the one hand we have DFB that is the association responsible for the match officials and organization of DFB Cup and the national team. Then we also have DFL (Deutsche Fußball Liga -> German football league) responsible for the Bundesliga's organization. At the same time, everything related to refereeing, including the committee, seminars, appointments, assessments of situations and also suspensions issued to players after red cards etc. is all done by DFB. Referee committee chief is Herbert Fandel and since he took the place of Volker Roth, a lot has changed in refereeing organization, it has become much more professional, while he still resists Blatter's wish to have 100% pro referees. And, there were also changes in the appreciation of some officials...e.g. Gagelmann reached the peak of his career thanks to Fandel, before Fandel, he never had huge chances.

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  16. Anonymous9/4/13 08:20

    Newcastle-Benfica Ivan Bebek

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  17. Firat Aydinus for Kazan-Chelsea. Huge huge match.

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  18. And Kralovec for Lazio-Fener
    Bequerenca for Basel-Totthenham

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    1. Benquerenca back? :)
      Can't believe... thanks as always Kika!
      You are precious..

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    2. Agree, thanks kika, as usual :)
      Nice news. I really was stunned when reading his name. But why not..

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  19. You are welcome guys!

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    1. Happy for Benquerenca's back; carrier recognition as Stark last week. Disappointed for Kralovec; It should means that he will stop here. I guessed a semifinal for him. Atkinson definetively out.
      Weeb, Proenca, Kassai and Skomina for semifinal Cl and Tagliavento, Cakir and who else for semifinal El ?
      do you agree ?

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    2. I'm not sure about Kralovec and his last match, I think that in case of good performance he will be taken into account for EL final, why not?
      Of course there are also other candidates, but he is among them. Bayern Munchen - Arsenal probably was evaluated well by observer.

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  20. You can update with the delegates for the Wednesday matches.

    Juventus - FC Bayern München: Dennis Cruise (IRL)
    FC Barcelona - Paris Saint-Germain FC: René Eberle (SUI)

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  21. Cristiano Ronaldo goal seems onside, very borderline and difficult call, we should stay with assistant here.

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  22. Anonymous9/4/13 22:16

    Huge mistake by Thomson and company : Wrong and crazy yellow card for gamez instead of YC for Schmelzer who had to be excluded....( supposed dive or it s violent conduct by german player...)

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  23. I'm not sure you can call that a crucial mistake if i'm honest seems like everybody likes to stick the boot into Thomson on here when they get the slightest chance.

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  24. Anonymous9/4/13 22:30

    And clear offside goal by malaga....what a shame!

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  25. However I do think there is a hint of offside for the goal, very difficult call though

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  26. The 1-2 goal for Malaga was clear offside.

    There was also a situation with Dortmunds 3-2 goal I would say, the first situation was offside.

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    1. Anonymous10/4/13 12:21

      Totally OK. Two offsides.

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  27. When santana scored he was offside as well.

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  28. Anonymous9/4/13 22:41

    And again offside goal for Dortmund !!! What a Pity for scottish Team...

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  29. Anonymous9/4/13 22:43

    Oh Ryan ? Stop scottish jokes....two clear offside situations : two goals...crucial mistakes....

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  30. After I have seen the replay I would have to agree although the second is harder to call. Anybody know how Lannoy got on?

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    1. Lannoy showed a good performance. Very good control, correct cards, only minor mistakes in a challenging game due to many fouls, mostly fast play and, of course, the atmosphere. 8.4 or 8.5, I would say.
      Annonier with a couple of correct, but difficult offside/onside decisions.

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    2. Question: I have read that Arbeloa was sent off for pointing to his forehead into Lannoy's direction. Was it only a 2nd yc? For me it must be straight red then.

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    3. Yes, it was only a 2nd YC.
      It was a bit strange: If I understood the replay correctly, Arbeloa pointed to his forehead, when Lannoy showed him a yellow card for the foul. Then, everyone went in position for the free kick, but before it was taken, Lannoy demanded Arbeloa to come out to him and then showed him the cards, signalling that the reason was his gesture. Maybe one of his assistants told him about it...
      I am not sure, whether it must be a straight red, it surely can be. And is that a crucial mistake?

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    4. Yes, I also thought that it was a direct RC.
      But overall, very ok performance throughout the game... Another match to be rememberred in Turkey. Football is an exciting game because anytime, anything may happen ... Well done!!!

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    5. Anonymous9/4/13 23:15

      Nope, point for improvement. Max. 8.2 as Cakir for lack of red card for Ferdinand, but if the match was easy and mark would be 8.3/8.4, it can be 8.1.

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    6. No I would not say. You can defend him by saying he cautioned him for dissent by word or action, but insulting gestures also support a straight red card..at the end, who cares, Moen ignored twice in London and also in Madrid that players showed him he should wear glasses, did not book them at least, so it's at least good to see Lannoy has punished this behaviour in some form.

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    7. (The "No I would not say" was related to Philipp's question, not to your comment(s))

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  31. Very, very suspect second goal of Malaga ( IMO, offside ). Also, the third goal of Dortmund ( when cross into the box ). Amazing game!

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  32. Wuuuhuuu what a game in Dortmund, the most incredible one I can currently remember during this and the last seasons.
    One could dare to say that refereeing in quarterfinals has been a catastrophe so far..that cannot be, missing three offside positions which were actually not totally impossible to see in such a game with such an impact. But, as it is 1-1, each team was benefitted once, it's ok for the game. But the 3-2 was even twice offside, the initial pass and then also the pass that led to the goal (goalkeeper was 2nd last defender). Ok performance apart from that, he could have sent off Schmelzer for a small punch in his opponent's face.

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    1. Anonymous9/4/13 23:07

      Good comment. Assistants were always weak point of Craig Thomson, remember EL last season where AR1 missed three red cards under his nose. Missed red for Schmelzer is very crucial mistake that has a direct impact on the game, both goal (1-2 and 3-2) were offside. In a sum, really poor performance by the whole team in more or less challenging match.

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    2. Yes, seeing the replays again, I must agree, it should have been at least yellow. I think a yellow to both would have been ok. Then Schmelzer would have been off of course.
      Also remember Twente-Schalke and the wrong advice from Chambers, or Rose's wrong offside flag in a goal in CZE-POL at Euro 2012.

      I really do not want to harrass the assistants. The problem is that Rose is wrongly positioned by at least 1,5 metres. And for Ross, well, in this heat of the emotions, having 25k fans at the tribune behind the goal, I can understand that the concentration is not 100%, that's human. But it's CL quarterfinal..

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    3. Anonymous9/4/13 23:20

      Fully agree. First offside goal is poor assistant call, but the second mistake by AR2 is indeed very crucial and terrible error, but I can understand him, he didn't see anything due to very dynamic, hard action to assess and absolutely crazy crowd.

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  33. Unacceptable mistakes by assistants, the last one with Borussia player almost on the goal line was absolutely blatant and the assistant HAD to see it
    A disaster in these quarterfinals, I'm sorry for UEFA.

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    1. Anonymous9/4/13 23:24

      In this case, I would like to see Mr. Mazic in next stages. Who knows, he's along with Skomina the best referee at the moment IMHO.

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    2. We must note that Mažić the most advanced ( 2012/13 ). No one is disputing, Anonymous! :) Aydinus, too.

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    3. Anonymous10/4/13 00:00

      Agree.

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  34. If a striker is almost on the goal line and he scores after a pass by a teammate, you should raise the flag even just by intuition, in fact how you can imagine that there are at least two defenders to keep onside him?
    The assistant missed the whole situation.
    Can't believe again, a huge mistake and a terrible end of these CL quarterfinals.

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    1. Anonymous10/4/13 00:00

      Absolutely,sometimes intuition is very important factor.
      (exc.Kassai decision not to give a Penalty for Pedro,he had 'nose' even he was not that close to the situation)

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  35. Anonymous9/4/13 23:54

    After Colina as observer,i am100% sure that Mažić will get one more mach in EL. ;)
    (Its pity he isnt Elite this year)
    He had better season then few referees candidates for Final.

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    1. Anonymous10/4/13 00:08

      I would risk the theory that he was better than the whole Elite team with exception of Skomina, Cakir and maybe Carballo. He's Elite referee with his skills and even EL final would be adequate to his and other performances this season.

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    2. Anonymous10/4/13 00:14

      And you know what,I agree.But,unfortunately,sometimes strength of FA referee comes from have big role.
      He have twice better season than for exc.Atkinson,Stark,Benquerenca,but those are very strong FAs.
      Nothing bad to say,but thats the way it is. :)

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    3. Anonymous10/4/13 01:09

      And it's really bad. If we want the best referees with the best performances we must leave this stupid politics out :(

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    4. I have to interject this statement- UEFA Referee Committee headed by Villar Llona and Pierluigi Collina reduced the influence of politics " big countries " to a minimum! Are Scotland, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, large country? No, they are not. How many referees from small countries had a chance? A lot! Are Russia, France, Greece great country?! Certainly. Collina, Dallas, Batta and others are working very skillfully. The combination of youth and experience. It is easiest to a young and talented referee cast into the fire. Then they lost forever. Everything runs its course. No need to give experienced referees through the night. See another chance Bebek. Congratulations, Dr. Collina! This is the safe way!

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    5. Anonymous10/4/13 06:34

      It's partly true, but you must consider committee members: Slovenia, Scotland and Serbia are there, so we can understand why Skomina, Thomson, Collum, many Turks, Mazic are so promoted. Sajn, Jokic, Erzik, Uilenberg, Dallas put their favourites on the highest categories. And I don't want to say which names are OK there and which are not, but still it arouses some doubts.

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    6. As a football/referee fun from Bosnia, I really appreciate Mazic and his performance throughout whole 2012/13 season, especially the one in CL. Nevertheless, I am a bit concerned about performance of the rest of his team, i.e. ARs who do not seem to be up to his level and AARs who do not have experience in performing this duty.
      Talking about the name for the CL finals, maybe we/UEFA should consider the best referee team, i.e. the team with least crucial mistakes.
      I agree, the UEFA has taken an excellent approach on referee appointments and promotions to elite/development, but still, in addition to significant performances, referees from "small" countries (Slovenia, Croatia and Serbia) are there also because their country mates get to seat in the Referee Committee :)

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    7. Anonymous10/4/13 16:57

      @Anonimous, Shearer As a first- Zdravko Jokić not a member of UEFA Refereeing Committee ( neither has ever been ). Croatia is not member of the URC . Thirdly, Mažić's RT was superb 2012/13! Fourth, as I recall Alečković got a chance and you'll get it again- because it is not a policy, but a safe way. The only correct information is that Mr. Šajn URC member!

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    8. Anonymous10/4/13 17:39

      That is correct! Nobody ever from Serbia ( Zoran Petrović, Zdravko Jokić, etc ) is not even a member of the UEFA Reefee Committee. Everyone has the right to make mistakes. Why are always dozens of anonymous occur after a referees error. Why can not occur after a positive example? Truth to be president of UEFA and FIFA Referee Committee Angel Maria Villar Llona ( ESP ). Where is Malaga-town? Maybe- the Mauritius?

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    9. Please, do not get me wrong, I really appreciate and proudly talk about referees from the countries I have mentioned above. despite that I have my doubts about quality/experience of whole RTs.
      My opinion is that the quality a referee has is not enough in order to get to the top, he has to have someone in URF, or very close to that body, who believes in his capability (just like in any other sphere of life today).
      Yes, Aleckovic will be given another chance, he deserves it:) And there is another promising referee coming from Bosnia...
      Anonymous show up for different reasons, some of them to discuss decisions for the sake of education, some to blame referees for results of their teams, some to promote conspiracy theory, etc. Either way, I find it useful.
      Sincere regards from BiH.

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  36. Anonymous10/4/13 00:05

    The biggest question is: does this performance of Scots exclude them from WC 2014. I suppose so...

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    1. I would prefer to see Collum, he has had a very good season both domestically and internationally.

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    2. Anonymous10/4/13 01:39

      Collum is not on the pre-list, so no way... But yes, he seems to be better, more consistent and with better assistants.

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    3. In my opinion, even though in case of excellent CL season by Thomson, it was anyway impossible to think about a possible appointment for Brazil 2014, there are too many UEFA officials ahead him, at least for now.

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  37. Anonymous10/4/13 00:14

    Unfortunately, after the referees like Michel, De Bleeckere, Nielsen, Merk, Collina finished their carreers we have not such great, excellent referees. Of course, many of those guys are very good, but I think only Cakir and Skomina have skills and talent to be the biggest ones. The current referees often have strong personalities, but in decision are far worse than their colleagues in the past. It's my opinion...

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    1. Anonymous10/4/13 00:16

      Proenca and Webb :)

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    2. Anonymous10/4/13 01:07

      Yeah, Proenca and Webb are superb referees with ultra-strong personality, but their decisions are not always perfect - Proenca's minor mistakes in nearly every match and Webb's big mistakes in England. Therefore, I never underrate their fantastic characters on the field, but in calls they are... hmm, not always consistent.

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    3. Anonymous10/4/13 03:00

      My dear friends,

      KASSAI!!!!!!!

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    4. Anonymous10/4/13 06:35

      Kassai is the same as Proenca. Ultra-strong personality, but not the best calls.

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    5. The perfect referee will never exist, but to be honest the big names you quoted were not always brilliant either. FdB's calls were not always great, while he nearly always had total control. For Michel, the opposite counts, great calls but mostly with the aid of many cards. I am still wondering why Larsen never got a CL final or a WC appointment.

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    6. Claus Bo barely ever handed out a red card, only 4 in 92 matches incredible stat!

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  38. Anonymous10/4/13 06:40

    Kassai has been the best referee for the last 3 years! He did not miss any important decision (the Ukraine goal missed at Euro 2012 was not his mistake).

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  39. http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/3221/5ki57yfh_jpg.htm

    I know that it's a moment, and when you are there you can be impressed by the crowd, but a offside like this wasn't possible to detect for the AAR2?
    He surely sees that the ball is touched by Borussia player and then the teammate scores almost on the goal line, the keeper is clearly behind.

    http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/3221/85fsyxup_jpg.htm
    The offside on the long ball for me was very difficult, it was slight and some Malaga defenders were hidden to the view of AR2.

    http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/3221/9sh6bycs_jpg.htm
    On Malaga goal we have surely a late positioning by AR1. Anyway, even in this case the situation is difficult, a very slight offside position.

    For me, the big mistake is the 3-2 goal, I think that without this last and blatant wrong call, the two previous ones were by the way acceptable for the degree of difficulty. I don't anyway forget that we are in CL quaterfinals, something more should be required to referees and assistants.
    I haven't watched the whole match, I would like to know if in the other off-onside calls of the match, both assistans were right or not.




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  40. What we must keep in mind is that if Alasdair Ross had correctly seen the offside position(s) in the 3-2, there would have been a team, Dortmund, having beaten Man City, Real and Shakhtar and failing to qualify for the deserved semifinal also due to a missed penalty in the first leg and due to a missed offside error in a Malaga goal in the second leg. I am happy that Ross did not see it, I must say that. Bad luck for him, but superb for the competition.
    Concerning Rose, there was an onside call to make before this pass, so he had to stand still a bit and see, that was why he had to accelerate quickly and failed to be in the perfect position. He by the way also created two throw-in errors against Malaga and when Schmelzer made this punch into the opponent's face, one saw him in the background cheating to another player and not having his eyes to the ball/action. That was a lack of alertness during the entire match.
    As for Alasdair Ross, the first one can be understood, but the second one not. There are a few factors as reasons for it:
    - total blackout due to the pace and extra-ordinary nature of the situation
    - no knowledge of the law with the goalkeeper as 2nd last defender, I think we can erase this opportunity, every FIFA assistant definitely knows it
    - influenced by the home crowd and the crazy cheers, no courage to raise the flag with an explanation à la Mullarkey (Les Arbitres: "I find it better to let the flag down and to allow a goal than disallowing a goal that should have been given" (no literal quote, but that was his meaning).
    At any rate, a very bad evening for the referees but an excellent evening for this competition.

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    1. One can understand your point of view, but please try also to wear the glasses of a Malaga fan.
      Terrible.
      Furthermore, mistake after mistake in order to repair the previous ones, it's not a relief for UEFA, of course, it's even worse!

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    2. Yep through a Málaga fan's eyes I would think "In the end we cannot complain"..but of course, repairing mistakes may not be an aim, but can be sometimes good for the football itself, not for refereeing of course.

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  41. Málaga's sheikh stated it would be racism what has been done against Málaga. Also Pellegrini said that "they did not want us to win" (analogously). How can one lose one's grip to reality in such a way?

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  42. I don't want to anticipate the reporter and his work, but in my opinion the situation at 62' was not a red card, as it seems required by Malaga. Yellow is enough in my opinion.

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  43. Anonymous10/4/13 12:49

    Yes chefren...true if you want but...Borussia's player was booked few minutes before....so red card needed here for second YC card... ;)

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  44. I guess that the player made too much theatre, if he had avoided that, then - perhaps - Thomson would have got another impression ot this situation.

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  45. I don't see this as a serious mistake however no doubt for Thomson no more appointments this campaign.

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  46. Nothing important to report about the first half of Carballo but the card management was not the best, especially the first YC to Mandzukic was given probably for the pressure by Juventus bench. On TV they have reported that Conte said to the fourth official "please remember Ribery foul in first leg" and then after a while Carballo booked the German player.
    For me, wrong card.

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    1. Anonymous10/4/13 21:47

      Wrong card-management at all. The foul detection was really solid. Did Mandzukic fouled Juve player or vice versa...?

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    2. Anonymous10/4/13 21:48

      Chef,

      I just got home and only saw the last minutes. Did you see the situation in the last minute when Chiellini and a Bayern player (didn't see who) went up? Firstly, a clear foul which is missed by Carballo... According to LoTG even a card - Chiellinis arm/elbow hits his opponent. Al though I would have accepted only a free kick for the duel... BUT it can never be acceptable that players yells and gestures against players that lies down on the field; especially when the contact is that clear. For me a clear yellow card.

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    3. I agree with you, Chiellini deserved a card.

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    4. Absolutely not convincing Carballo this evening, a terrible foul by Marchisio on Lahm appeared to me as borderline between YC and RC but he just whistled.
      No match influencing of course, but weird performance.

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    5. Anonymous10/4/13 22:25

      Another referee after Clattenburg who can't manage Chiellini's highly unsporting behaviour... Such attitude is a shame for football!

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    6. Nonetheless I want to stress the good performances of AR1 and AR2. As we know them, spot-on onsides and offsides.

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    7. Yes, some important onside situations to detect, very good work. But I expected more from Velasco, he showed problems with cards also at EURO2012...

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  47. Kuipers was good overall. No major calls for him. All the cards were correct, good management of the game except the last 4 minutes of added time where he appeared a bit fussy. But overall an expected level performance.

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    1. Anonymous10/4/13 22:57

      Agree, good performance. Also AR1 very good! Kuipers deserves a EL semi final.

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    2. For me and under Vassara's observation Kuipers could get the CL final after so many disastrous performances in the QF.

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    3. Anonymous10/4/13 23:04

      Fully agree, edward! He's the only referee who have counted good expected performance in knock-out stage and doesn't have final in his account.

      Kuipers or Skomina I think!

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    4. Anonymous10/4/13 23:07

      He got Super Cup in 2011, and Skomina in 2012.

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    5. Anonymous10/4/13 23:10

      Yeah, but don't think UEFA highly respect this trophy (as many people though)...

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    6. I agree with you, very well done by Kuipers. No controversy, good personality and management.

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  48. Anonymous10/4/13 22:47

    I would say that Skomina should get the final without any further match in case of such poor performances of many referees this season.

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  49. And now we can pick out who will the REFEREE matches in the 1\2 CHAMPIONS-LEAGUE final. The gameconsistof: Webb Clattenburg Proenca Skomina Cakir Kassai Rizzoli Rocchi, and Kralovec

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    1. Anonymous10/4/13 23:12

      Kralovec? I dont think that will happen. Collum, Kuipers, Lannoy are better candidates then Kralovec..
      We have to wait till friday.

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  50. I do not think that Lannoy, and Kuipers got matches 1\2 FINALS in CHAMPIONS-LEAGUE. Sooner in the EROPA-LEAGUE

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