June 25, 2013

Osses and Webb to officiate Confed Cup semifinals

FIFA has designated the two Confederations Cup semifinal officiating teams to be active at next Wednesday and Thursday. While there will be an almost all-South American semifinal between Brazil and Uruguay, headed by Enrique Osses of Chile, Englishman Howard Webb will handle the Euro 2012 final tie between Spain and Italy.

Enrique Osses in Mexico-Italy (c) Árbitro Internacional

Semifinals

26 June 2013
Match 13 – Estádio Mineirão, Belo Horizonte (BRA) – 21:00 CET
BRAZIL
Brasilien
2:1
Uruguay
URUGUAY
Referee: Enrique Osses (CHI)
Assistant Referee 1: Carlos Alexis Astroza (CHI)
Assistant Referee 2: Sergio Román (CHI)
Fourth Official: Joel Aguilar (SLV)
Reserve Assistant Referee: William Torres Mejia (SLV)
Blog Observer:
Niclas E. (GER)






27 June 2013
Match 14 – Estádio Castelão, Fortaleza (BRA) – 21:00 CET
SPAIN
Spanien
0:0
7:6 pso
Italien
ITALY
Referee: Howard Webb (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Mullarkey (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Darren Cann (ENG)
Fourth Official: Pedro Proença (POR)
Reserve Assistant Referee: Bertino Miranda (POR)
Blog Observer:
Edward A. (GRE)

63 Comments:

  1. It seems Massimo Busacca is going to take the same blind flight like his ancestors at and before World Cup 2010. A referee who performed badly in group stage gets the first semifinal, a referee FIFA and everybody else know by heart gets the other one. If this tournament is to be considered as a test competition for next World Cup, one should have selected Brych and/or Kuipers. If this mismanagement is crowned by another break of the confederation neutrality rule or the performance principle, I will raise my hat to FIFA.

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    1. I can try to explain Webb appointment for Italy, after three poor performance got in the group stage (Osses, Abal and Irmatov, who less, who more) Busacca and the committee was forced to assure a reliable referee for this match.
      On the other hand, in my opinion Osses appointment is not deserved but also here I can try to find the reasons:
      1) it was almost impossible to give both semifinals only to UEFA officials, so was choiced Osses, which anyway had borderline situations in his match and not really blatant mistakes;
      2) FIFA seems still forced to make appointment according to confederations rule;
      3) Aguilar was a chance for this match, but he was appointed again too early in my opinion. A logical choice might have been Osses in Spain-Nigeria and Aguilar here;
      4) At least a semifinal for a CONMEBOL referee in a tournament played in Brazil.

      Now it becomes difficult to perdict the appointments for the two finals. For the third place Haimodi could appear almos sure, but if they want to keep still the confederations rule, then the only name is Nishimura.
      I see also Kuipers as strong name but I really don't know if with the home team in Brazil, FIFA will appoint a UEFA referee for this match.
      At the end we can say that the performance principle i this tournament was not taken into account, and I don't know wheter FIFA is content with what happened.

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  2. Anonymous25/6/13 09:48

    it is politically taken, not after achievements, as usual, during the last years

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  3. Anonymous25/6/13 10:21

    it would be ridiculous to appoint a non-uefa referee for the final and send for example felix brych home with only one match where two teams played which were already out...

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    1. But if they appoint a UEFA referee for the final match, in which there will be a UEFA - CONMEBOL clash, then it will be a nosense, because the confederations rule will be broken. So why not before?

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    2. Recognize something: we had exactly the same situation at Club World Cup. Chelsea-Corinthians in the final = UEFA vs CONMEBOL. Shukralla did well in his first match, Haimoudi was so-so. CONCACAF referee Rodriguez was unavailable, as he had a semifinal. No comment on Oceania's officials. They don't get finals, we must accept that. FIFA ignored both Haimoudi and Shukralla to appoint Cakir breaking the neutrality rule. So why not this time? Why not Brych or Kuipers in the final?

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    3. Anonymous25/6/13 12:07

      Brasil don´t will accept one european referee at the final, I think.

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    4. This is what I think, too. Even more after the whole competition respecting this rule.

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    5. Anonymous25/6/13 12:43

      Aguilar and Haimoundi for the final and 3rd place!

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  4. Anonymous25/6/13 10:38

    I think that I can see some logic in the appointment of Osses. He has been chosen to referee in the Confederations Cup, and there are not many matches per referee in this competition to evaluate the referees (compared to what would have been the case if he would have been chosen to referee in the U20 World Cup in Turkey instead).

    We all know that he did not perform very well in his first match, but South America still will have referees in the World Cup next year. I think that FIFA would like to "test" Osses once more to see if he performs better than in his first match. Brazil-Uruguay should be a challenging match. If he doesn't perform well, then I guess Osses is out and he can forget the World Cup next year. If, on the other hand, he performs brilliantly in the match, then he will be back in the contest. So in my view this is probably Osses most important game in his career.

    Webb on the other hand - we know his capabilities and I can't imagine that he will not be in Brazil next year. So that is a "safe bet" to use him in the other semifinal I think.

    So - from my perspective - one "test match" for an uncertain card (Osses) and one "reward" for a certain card (Webb) in the semifinals.

    We can speculate about who will referee the final, but let us wait and see the participating teams there first...

    /Swedish Observer

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    1. Do you see big differences between:
      Brazil-Italy
      Brazil-Spain
      Uruguay-Italy
      Uruguay-Spain
      ?

      Probably they are already deciding the name, the only important thing to know is that there is a UEFA national team against a CONMEBOL one. So, no UEFA or CONMEBOL referees... according to the policy they are using.

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    2. How can you be sure they are still using their policy? Where is it written down? I think under Busacca this confed neutrality rule is somehow an ideal to be strived for, but if it does not go for good reasons, then they are flexible. Next appointments will show us how they are dealing with it. German press is saying that Brych has at least not been sent home by FIFA.

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    3. And regarding Swedish observer, I share your view. Nonetheless the same speech you made for Osses should count for Brych and Kuipers, who both did not perform so many matches under the FIFA label so far..

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  5. Anonymous25/6/13 10:55

    Hi Niclas,

    To be honest, I think that FIFA knows both Brych's and Kuiper's capabilities. UEFA certainly knows there capabilities. I have no doubt in my mind that they will both be in Brazil next year. And the chances might also be that one of them takes charge of the final in the Confederations Cup. Unfortunately, I have not seen Brych's or Kuiper's matches in the tournament so far, but from what I read on here it seems as they have been performing well.

    But, as I said, for Osses there must be something else behind his appointment (since his performance was not good), and the only thing I can imagine is his "final chance" to prove himself in front of the FIFA Referees Committee. They will have Conmebol refs in Brazil next year, but I must admit that I doubt that Osses will be one of them. But let's hope that he proves us all wrong tomorrow.

    /Swedish Observer

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    1. Yes you are right. Brych also had Olympic Games, Spain-France, 2010 relegation match between Ireland and France, so FIFA should know him. And practically I consider Stark as out after the last EURO and CL campaign, even though Fandel naturally said the "duel" would not be decided and it would be 50:50..So the best appointment FIFA can make for the final is in my opinion Kuipers-van Roekel-Zeinstra-Brych-Borsch (the EL final team in a way).

      As for Osses, you are totally right. There basically cannot be another reason. Let's see how he does. It's also clear he must show something, as Roldán is very likely sure for the World Cup, Vera, Arias, Ricci and others are pressing, too.

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  6. If someone has a good video download for Paraguay-Mali (Shukralla) and Cuba-Nigeria (Kassai, not livefootballvideo, the video is broken there), let me know please.

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    1. Anonymous25/6/13 13:35

      Good afternoon, brother!

      Here, the Cuba - Nigeria match:
      http://rgfootball.net/viewtopic.php?t=78387

      Unfortunately, the Paraguay - Mali duel doesn't exist in the web.

      Did you maybe rewatch Sandro Ricci's performance in the Turkey - El Salvador clash? I would like to know your views concerning situations we have discussed about some days ago.

      With best regards,
      Abdallah

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    2. Thanks for the link! Unfortunately I had so much work to do also apart from reporting so that I did not find time to rewatch Ricci. I plan that for the rest days between group stage and k.o. stage.

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  7. Anonymous25/6/13 11:22

    people are talking about neutrality rule... that is possible for the last 2 matches. We still have Aguilar (central/north america); Djamel (Africa) and Nishimura (Asia). So if the neutrality rule remains we have a trio to pick 2 names, and with Aguilar has 4th official in a semi-final I believe we should expect him as a ref in one of the 2 remaining matches.

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  8. Anonymous25/6/13 13:41

    As for the Confederations Cup, I am more or less sure that the final will go to Brych. I was much more impressed with him than users and reporter here. The third place match is an open case, because at least two referees showed satisfying performances, e.g. Kuipers, Aguilar. I thought Haimoudi was not good in his match. Some minor but obvious mistakes as with an added time. I would not appoint him at this tournament again.

    Abdallah

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  9. I share the opinion of Niclas. I think the Europa League final quintet will get the appointment.

    Prediction:
    Referee: Bjorn Kuipers (NED)
    AR1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
    AR2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
    Fourth Official: Felix Brych (GER)
    Reserve AR: Mark Borsch (GER)

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  10. Anonymous25/6/13 16:14

    Do you (Niclas or Carlos) know which refs have been sent home after the group stage?

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  11. I think Irmatov has been sent home, it was reported in an Italian newspaper. But I have no other pieces of information, sorry.

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  12. Anonymous25/6/13 17:53

    Kuipers for the final.

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    1. Anonymous25/6/13 21:55

      The final is not for one european.

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  13. Evening folks

    I dont get the surprise (and frustration!) with the 2 appointments at all; both referees have performed well, (if not superb) thus far.

    There was a crowd psychology pattern on the blog immediately after the first Osses game, which essentially meant that everybody agreed he was 'poor'; I disagreed at the time and I hold my court. Dos Santos would not be ruled a crucial mistake - it did not deny an 'obvious goal-scoring' opportunity. Balotelli's fall was cheating at worst and theatrical at best, Osses' nonchalence here was commendable.

    Of course his positioning wasnt great, but his overall control and personality was superb.

    I think we as a community have to gain more consensus instead of picking out individual incidents and decrying a performance as poor or unacceptable. Consensus in that we all agreed that Jug had a really good final 'despite' giving a match-changing soft penalty and refusing to send the Italian captain from the field, yet we show no sympathy for Osses in similar circumstances.

    Agree that Nishimura is favourite for the final - but who knows, it could well be Brych if we shed the continent neutrality farce ...

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  14. I agree with nearly everything you said - but even with much goodwill I did not see Osses performing superb, even if the yellow card was enough in the penalty. The confusion in the dropped ball scene showed he was sometimes not that alert in this game. I would not consider this semifinal appointment as deserved or even a reward. But as a test or chance.
    Concerning Webb I agree. However also here: if we take the overall image, what you always demand, then we saw a referee inadequately dealing with Neymar and inappropiately dealing with David Luiz and his bloody wound. So I do not see a superb performance here either.

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    1. Sorry Niclas, no definitely not superb, I meant his 'approach' or 'personality' when controlling the game only. As we discussed, he had some inconsistencies and certainly the drop ball and some awkward positioning, but what I was opposed to was the immediate concern of the blog to summarise his performance as dreadful. It wasn't. The consensus on the blog re Abal (I think) was similar as the majority was quick to criticise the yellow in the Buffon incident; whilst I agreed with the consensus on the soft nature of the penalty, a yellow was actually acceptable due to his lack of control of the ball (or lack of chance to get it if indeed Buffon beat him to it!), yet the conclusion again was the referee 'failed in the 90'. (In fairness I did not see the last 25 mins of this game.)

      On Luiz, I found it bizarre too and tweeted as such! But then, I remembered that we have seen this allowed before (if the bleeding does not stop) - but his mistake was not to go back and check and he left this to Mullarkey.

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    2. Okay. On Abal I share your view. Osses' performance was not dreadful, I would not say that. It was a bit inconsistent at this level of football. But my point was, while slightly criticizing this appointment, that I saw other officials performing better than him at this tournament, that's all.

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    3. Hi Nikos.

      I observed Osses for the blog and I order to be fair I didn't even made a comment here. I never said it was a dreadful performance. If you see the report I was considering him for 7.7/7.8. That means that he had problems and many areas for improvement.

      The problem is that this appointment is not deserved on performance principle. Couldn't Kuipers or Brych take this match? Of course. Both were far better than Osses.

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    4. Ok Edward we have to disagree. As I said at the time, I don't see a crucial mistake so dont see how it can be below 8.0 - which is ok for this particular semi (unlike a World Cup or a Euro where the performance is the main factor)

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    5. The marking scale between 7.5/7.7 doesn't require a crucial mistake. So a performance without a crucial mistake can be under 8.0.

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  15. Just a couple of months ago I wasn't sure who out of Webb and Clattenburg would represent England in next years World Cup.
    However, now I'm sure Webb will be selected. Clatts just has to wait for Euro 2016.

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  16. Uruguay captain Diego Lugano has piled the pressure on Osses with comments on Brazil's Neymar, claiming he is a "diver who fools referees". Lugano also claimed Brazil had lost their beautiful playing style and said they play "hard, physical football".
    The Brazilian football federation have released a statement criticising Lugano's words and warning the referee not to be influenced...

    To be honest, I don't see anything wrong with Lugano's comments haha! This is South American football at its best (or worst).

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  17. I agree, Lugano is right in his words on Neymar. But Osses would not deserve his FIFA badge if he was influenced by that - so of course he will completely ignore it tonight..

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  18. Correct penalty award imo.
    Luiz clearly pulls Lugano down.

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  19. I would have given a red card here....

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    1. Anonymous27/6/13 11:47

      No red card. No situation of goal.Osses,excellent and very neutral.

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  20. Anonymous26/6/13 21:54

    Good first half by Osses, in my view. I hope he will continue like this also in the second half.

    /Swedish Observer

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  21. I probably won't have the time to write and upload the reports on Lopez Castellanos and Osses tomorrow. The marks will be probably 8.1 for Lopez and 8.4/8.5 for Osses. For the Chilene team, very well done with some smaller areas to improve.

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  22. Very good performance by Osses in a challenging match. Very intense match, good control and crucial decisions were taken correctly. One "dark yellow card" for I think Gustavo in the first half. Neymar was dealt with well. Sometimes I thought he could've been more proactive at potential flashpoints, but it worked out for him.
    His whistling is very monotone, no difference in sound between a hard foul and a throw-in in the wrong place. He should work on that.
    Overall, I was very very content with his performance. Osses was one of the best men on the field.

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  23. Anonymous27/6/13 08:21

    Overall a good game for Osses, who improved his positioning since his first match. Showed courage and took the (obvious) penalty for Uruguay in the beginning of the game, and thus setting the tone for the game. Respected by the players during the game and controlled the game well overall. Major decisions were correctly taken and worked welll with the rest of the refereeing team.

    As always, there are improvement points:

    1) Body language was a bit dull last night, in my view. Always the same expression in the face (never a smile for example) and no variation in his appearance on the pitch.
    2) Neymar's provocative "tactics" where he throwed himself on the ground all the time should have been looked through by Osses more frequently and in my view Neymar should have been booked for play-acting. But I realize that this is very difficult to detect on the field.
    3) Could still improve his positioning, even though it was much better than his last appearance. Questionmarks for the added time in the second half where apparantely no extra time was added for the subsitition in injury time, which was strange.

    Overall, however, a quite satisfying performance from Osses and I would probably give him an 8,4 in a challenging match if I had been the observer. Osses is back in the running for the Brazil World Cup again!

    /Swedish Observer

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  24. In the last minutes (directly after the 2-1) Osses seemed to lose his match control. No.9 Brazil (Fred) should have been booked for kicking the ball away before the free kick in the 89th minute. Neymars substituion took too long. This all makes the impression, he lost his overview in the last minutes.

    However still a good performance, those in fact are only tiny points, nothing important.

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  25. Philipp S27/6/13 09:43

    According to a German magazine, FIFA has announced, that for the last two matches the main referees will not be European.

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    1. If they follow the confederations rule, it's obvious.
      And it should be a forced choice: Nishimura the final, Haimoudi the third place...
      Philipp, is this magazine reliable, in your opinion?

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    2. Yes, I think so. The link is:
      http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/schiedsrichter-brych-kein-einsatz-bei-den-confed-cup-finals-a-907822.html

      Haimoudi and Nishimura the other way round or a third match for Aguilar are the alternatives, but what you write is most likely.

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    3. I do not think that this news is reliable. The only basis this newspaper built this conclusion on was the confed neutrality rule. Since CWC 2012 we know this principle can be broken. Nobody within FIFA said that only non-European officials are available.

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  26. Good overall performance from Webb and co. tonight. Especially Cann and Mullarkey who I thought were excellent.

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    1. Yes I agree, good Webb but assistants were more challenged, I think they were right almost all the times, FIFA didn't show so many replays so I can't be sure.
      Anyway, a nice evening of football but this time Spain didn't deserve to win, a pity for Italy.

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    2. Anonymous28/6/13 10:36

      Excellent Howard Webb. Final for Nishimura. Unfortunately because
      the best is Kuipers.

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    3. Guess or safe info?

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  27. Anonymous28/6/13 16:19

    Now that we know that the teams for the Final come from South America and Europe we can assume that a referee from a continent other than Europe or South America will be appointed. My guess is Nishimura based on the fact that, in my opinion, he is the best referee of the lot who aren't from South America or Europe. Though I would have liked to see Kuipers in the Final.

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  28. Anonymous28/6/13 20:44

    I think it is now official that Kuipers gets the final! News is on the Dutch 'NOS' website. See http://nos.nl/artikel/523735-kuipers-fluit-finale-confed-cup.html

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    1. This is my second post on this website btw :) (above is the first...) I just read this news on this website (which is quite reliable, see it as the Dutch BBC for those of you who don't know NOS) and I thought it might interest you all :)

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  29. Apparently Björn Kuipers has received the final appointment!

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  30. Anonymous28/6/13 20:55

    I think that Aguilar needs to be tested on the world level now... Remember he was only a fourth official in South Africa in 2010, and he has some tough candidates from Mexico, USA et cetera to compete against. Also remember that my countryman Martin Hansson refereed the latest Confederatipns Cup final in 2009 - in hindsight one might see that as a test too... And in the end he made it to South Africa (but only a a fourth official as Aguilar). If I was a FIFA Referes Committe member I would probably try to test Aguilar with such a big appointment as the final. Haimoudi and Nichimuri arebsafe bets for Brazil 2014 anyway so one of them could take charge of the third place match instead. All of the above is said under the assumption that no UEFA official could be appointed under the neutrality rule, because I think we all agree that they have performed best in this tournament...

    /Swedish Observer

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    1. Already quite a few Dutch news websites and football websites are pointing out that Kuipers has been chosen to referee the final...

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  31. http://www.knvb.nl/nieuws/30253/team-kuipers-leidt-finale-confederations-cup

    It's confirmed by Duth Football Federation... so 100% true.
    Congratulations to Kuipers.

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    1. Haimoudi has the third place, it's official too.

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  32. Also on FIFA website:

    http://www.fifa.com/confederationscup/matches/round=255211/match=300222461/index.html

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  33. According to German newspapers, Felix Brych is the 4th official in the final. So, we have the same team as in the EL final.

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    1. So at the end the news about Brych was absolutely wrong, the Confederations rule is broken.

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    2. Anonymous29/6/13 13:49

      Good to see that the confederations rule was not used here, since we all know that the UEFA officials have been better than the others in this tournament. So - even though I suspected that Aguilar would get the final - I am sure that Kuipers will do an excellent job on Sunday. He is having a fantastic year indeed!

      /Swedish Observer

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