September 29, 2013

Champions League - Referee Appointments - Matchday 2 (Tuesday)

UEFA has nominated the following referee teams to take charge of Tuesday's Champions League matches that initiate matchday 2. Among others, three Spanish sextets have been appointed for matches in Group E and F respectively.

Alberto Undiano Mallenco of Spain (c) croref.blogspot.com
Group E, 01 October 2013, 20:45 CET
Stadium: St.-Jakob Park, Basel, Switzerland
FC Basel - FC Schalke 04
Referee: Alberto Undiano Mallenco (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Raúl Cabañero Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Fernando Teixeira Vitienes (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Victoriano Díaz Casado (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Martin Sturkenboom (NED)
Blog Referee Observer: Albin (SWE)

Group E, 01 October 2013, 20:45 CET
Stadium: National Arena, Bucharest, Romania
Steaua Bucuresti - Chelsea FC
Referee: Carlos Velasco Carballo (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Carlos Clos Gómez (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Carlos Del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Fourth Official: Javier Aguilar Rodríguez (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Edgar Steinborn (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Jaroslav Dudl (CZE)
Blog Referee Observer: Edward (GRE)

Group F, 01 October 2013, 20:45 CET
Stadium: Westfalenstadion, Dortmund, Germany
Borussia Dortmund - Olympique Marseille
Referee: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Jesús Calvo Guadamuro (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: José Fernández Miranda (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: César Muñiz Fernández (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Fourth Official: Pau Cebrián Devis (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Donald Mcvicar (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Roland Tis (BEL)
Blog Referee Observer: Chefren (ITA)

Group F, 01 October 2013, 20:45 CET
Stadium: Emirates Stadium, London, England
Arsenal FC - SSC Napoli
Referee: Milorad Mažić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Milovan Ristić (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Dalibor Djurdjević (SRB)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Danilo Grujić (SRB)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Miodrag Gogić (SRB)
Fourth Official: Vladimir Čadjenović (SRB)
UEFA Referee Observer: Paul Allaerts (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Steen Dahrup (DEN)
Blog Referee Observer: Niclas (GER)

Group G, 01 October 2013, 20:45 CET
Stadium: Petrovsky Stadion, St. Petersburg, Russia
Zenit St. Petersburg - Austria Wien
Referee: Deniz Aytekin (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Guido Kleve (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Markus Häcker (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Marco Fritz (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Fourth Official: Thorsten Schiffner (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: László Vagner (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Ghenadie Scurtul (MDA)
Blog Referee Observer: Edward (GRE)

Group G, 01 October 2013, 20:45 CET
Stadium: Estádio do Dragão, Porto, Portugal
FC Porto - Atlético Madrid
Referee: Howard Webb (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Michael Mullarkey (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Darren Cann (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Michael Jones (ENG)
Fourth Official: Stephen Child (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kaj Østergaard (DEN)
UEFA Delegate: Michael Kirchner (GER)
Blog Referee Observer: Niclas (GER)

Group H, 01 October 2013, 20:45 CET
Stadium: Amsterdam ArenA, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Ajax Amsterdam - AC Milan
Referee: Jonas Eriksson (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mathias Klasenius (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Daniel Wärnmark (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Stefan Johannesson (SWE)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Markus Strömbergsson (SWE)
Fourth Official: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Zoran Petrović (SRB)
UEFA Delegate: Patrick McGrath (IRL)
Blog Referee Observer: Çagatay (TUR)


Group H, 01 October 2013, 20:45 CET
Stadium: Celtic Park, Glasgow, Scotland
Celtic Glasgow - FC Barcelona
Referee: Stéphane Lannoy (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Frédéric Cano (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Michaël Annonier (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Fredy Fautrel (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Fourth Official: Eric Dansault (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Athanassios Briakos (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Geir Thorsteinsson (ISL)
Blog Referee Observer: Chefren (ITA)

77 Comments:

  1. César Muñiz cannot be at Dortmund.

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    1. I am not sure but as far as I know suspensions on national level do not necessarily have an impact on international appointments.

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    2. OK. I correct: Muñiz don´t must be at Dortmund.

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    3. Anonymous30/9/13 00:11

      Back in 05, the english referee Matt Messias was appointed to qualifying game between FC Copenhagen and HSV eventhough he was suspended in his home country, He gave 2 very doubtful penalties including this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2FkinLQH8M . HSV needed that goal to go through. He cautioned 11 players and the HSV coach was dismissed. Sometimes it happens that referees are apponted eventhough being suspended.

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  2. Anonymous29/9/13 14:47

    Excellent game for Mazic, Premier League and SERIE A top clubs are there for a superb clash... well done by UEFA committee... I expect a magnificient performance.

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  3. So Markus Strömbergsson is still here. Swedish observer, can you say something more about that? It becomes really strange...

    And... Howasrd Webb is not appointed for Ajax-Milan as guessed and written here. :)

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    1. Anonymous29/9/13 15:36

      I fell out of my chair, when noticing that Markus Strömbergsson was appointed again. Luckily, however, I didn't get injured!

      Maybe Jonas Eriksson really feels that it works very well working with Markus - and maybe he also expressed that to the committee?

      /Swedish observer

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  4. Anonymous29/9/13 22:27

    Surprised by the spanish appointments: i was quite sure mallenco or velasco would officate city-Bayern... Now I expect Kuipers or Kralovec in this clash

    best regards
    phil

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    1. Anonymous30/9/13 00:43

      sorry, forgot that Pilzen is in the Group... so of course not Kralovec ;-)

      phil

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    2. Peter Mikkelsen probably is there for some reason, as FIFA referee committee member. Why not Kassai?

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  5. Anonymous29/9/13 23:07

    McVicar and Tis both very influential observer and delegate at Dortmund

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  6. Anonymous30/9/13 10:09

    AYTEKIN for Zenit-AUSTRIA !!!

    He is a very good referee, but - A GERMAN for an AUSTRIAN CLUB?

    I don't remember something similar so far.

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    1. Anonymous30/9/13 12:55

      Hello,

      Of any times and maybe more still during the 70s the German clubs were arbitrated regularly by Austrians and vice versa the Austrian clubs by Germans.

      For example, the semi-final of WC 1974 Germany - Poland in Frankfurt was arbitrated by Erich Linemayr (the biggest of all times Austrian referee) who arbitrated so regularly the German clubs in section of EC whereas another top Austrian referee Paul Schiller managed the supercup Anderlecht - Bayern Munich in 1976 in Brussels

      And finale of the EC II Anderlecht - AUSTRIA Memphis Vienne in Paris in 1978 was managed by German Heinz Aldinger

      RPC

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    2. It indeed happened in 2011 with the same referee and the same countries involved.

      UEL: Lokomotiv Moskva - Sturm Graz, referee Deniz Aytekin..

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    3. Maybe he's just taken more as Turkish, not German by Referee Committee. In fact, he never refereed Turkish team.

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  7. MANC-BAY Kuipers,CSKA-PLZ Nijhuis,AND-OLY Hagen,LEV-SOC Karasev,JUV-GAL Kassai,PSG-BEN Rizzoli,REAL-KOP Jug,SHA-MANU Kralovec

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  8. Thanks a lot :) See new post.

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  9. Deniz Aytekin sent off Zenit's Axel Witsel for serious foul play. The studs were up and he went into the challenge with one stretched foot. Watching the first two replays my feeling is that it is acceptable but extremely harsh.

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    1. I agree, very harsh.

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    2. The problem is that the match actually did not demand such a decision...YC and a strong warning would have been enough, for my taste.

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    3. Absolutely. I was surprised when he opted for a red given the context of the game.

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    4. I fully agree with Aytekin here, but saw many harder challenges that went unpunished by straight red. Maybe renewed instruction from Committee? He saw that really well! Of course, no mistake here, IMO.

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    5. I am seeing every red card for serious foul play which dangers the opponent's safety with much pleasure. If you play football you know what can happen in those tackles. But I think he overreacted. It was not the type of "studs up" that demands a RC, imo. Therefore my feeling is that this decision might have been "brave" in observer terminology, but spoilt the match in a way and created unnecessary tension. Difficult situation.

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    6. Good decision to disallow the goal btw, foul on goalkeeper.

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    7. After seeing many replays, I think this card is 100% correct. It's perfect game-reading! Witsel continues his studs-up challenge, even he knows that the ball is not played. In my opinion, he deliberately extends this tackle to reach an opponent's ankle, therefore 'using excessive force' is adequate here. We all know Witsel's rough way of playing that also could have had impact on Aytekin's decision.

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    8. I also noticed that on youtube ooking for the red card. There are many sending off in Witsel's past, so probably Aytekin studied the player.

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    9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZyw9WrvKYc

      I agree Hubert, red card is ok. I was too much impressed by the first replay angle.

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  10. Easy-going first half for Lannoy. He appeared calm and confident, showed great alertness and strictly punished Celtic's tries of pulling and pushing in opponent's penalty area. Correct yellow card to Lustig (CEL) for reckless and tactical foul. Whole team at 8.4 level, but - as I mentioned above - the match is really easy and boring so far.
    Regards

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  11. Anonymous1/10/13 21:42

    An excellent first half by Milorad Mazic in London, contributing very well to a very speedy and entertaining first half.

    And if my ears are not fooling me, Mazic uses a Molten Valkeen whistle instead of a normal Fox 40 whistle. I have noticed that some more UEFA referees in Europe have started to use this whistle (which has been used in Japan for many years). It gives a deeper sound and still penetrates the crowd sound very well. Must admit I like this whistle.

    Let's hope that Mazic can keep up his good work in the second half too!

    /Swedish observer

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    1. Anonymous1/10/13 22:34

      Nice second half too. Normal difficulty in the end, however, so 8,4 for me. Nice flow in the match, but I would have liked to see a smile once in a while, instead of his stern facial expression. But all in all a good, expected, performance by the Serbian official.

      /Swedish observer

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    1. Mazic: overall a not challenging match for the Serbian crew. He assured a very good control from the beginning to the end. One must underline the fact that this match ended without YCs. It's rare at this level, but I think that Mazic had the right feeling for the play acting in this way. Of course, there weren't really mandatory situations in which he might have given the card, nevertheless, I think that with this choice he was able to read the match.
      Always alert and ready to give warnings prior to each free kick and corner kick, he was also helped by assistant which reported fouls in several situations. The amtch had anyway a written outcome starting from the beginning, because Napoli was for the whole match clearly unable to score.
      Additional assistant referees not involved.

      Mazic 8,4
      Ristic 8,4 (not really involved anyway some not difficult onside calls)
      Djurdjevic 8,4 (two correct flags)
      Grujic Gogic both 8,3 they showed the needed alertness
      Cadjenovic 8,3

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  13. Carballo with an easy match. Not really challenged. Good foul detection and player management. Expected level performance for me.

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  14. I must say, without having watched more replays than available in the live scene, that I was shocked by Eriksson's penalty in 90+4. Offensive foul and no penalty, imo. This first impression can be wrong.

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    1. I also got the same idea for the first watch, but I couldnt see the replay. He ruled out an Ajax goal in Min 87 due to control by arm. That was a really good call. However, penalty is a big question mark in my mind.
      The foul detection was still okay with some inconsistencies.

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    2. It seems as if he missed a penalty earlier (same duel, holding against Balotelli). I have no minute, it was just shown in a highlights session. And the penalty given in 90+4' was surely wrong, having seen further replays.

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    3. Anonymous2/10/13 00:02

      I belief the contrary, the Ajax player is clearly holding the shirt of balotelli which makes it very difficult for balotelli to play the ball. It isn't a very serious foul, but it still is and it is within the box so in my opinion a correct penalty has been given.
      Furthermore, indeed great call from Eriksson(maybe it was the AR?)that the first goal was dissallowed due to control by the arm.
      Finally, in my opinion it was an easy match for Eriksson, during the game Eriksson showed a great performance and great player managment to.

      Greetings
      a Dutch referee.

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    4. Polish ex-UEFA observer, Sławomir Stempniewski said that the penalty is acceptable decision and for sure no crucial mistake. Clear help from AAR2 and also imo correct call.

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    5. I accept other views and respect Eriksson's decision - nonetheless I am a bit surprised that Balotelli has managed to not only cunn the referee.
      If you do not watch the replays but the total pictures from the real pace, you can see that it is Balotelli who starts to grab his opponent. He continues to grab him and pull his arm. And indeed, Balotelli is also pulled and held by his opponent. And suddenly he falls. Well...imo big theatre like happened in Man City - Ajax Amsterdam. But as UEFA ruled this scene as penalty in Rasmussen's match, they will probably do so now as well (also to avoid to spoil Eriksson's WC chances).

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    6. Anonymous2/10/13 00:34

      https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/563630_634271839939706_2040787691_n.png

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    7. Anonymous2/10/13 00:38

      The Ajax player made the mistake to avoid falling. You don't get free-kicks if you do not fall. Terrible call..,

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  15. Second half in Glasgow was far more interesting. Lannoy correctly sent-off Brown (CEL) for deliberate kick in Neymar's back - he pulled out a yellow for tactical foul, but then he showed a red, seeing this violent conduct. Great positioning and perfect call. Maybe a warning from one of team-members?

    Apart from that he showed five yellow cards, including totally wrong YC to Fabregas (BAR) in 55'. I would only recommend to show one more YC, to Ambrose (CEL) (persistent infringement, two clear fouls on the borderline of yellow card in 19' and 65').

    One penalty appeal was correctly rejected, as the shot happened from the small distance. However, hands of defender were widely outstretched, so I can see penalty given for that, too. Nonetheless, no mistake here.

    Two similar fouls of Izaguirre (CEL) were missed in this game (attack on the head in 34', 50').

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    - calmness and self-confidence
    - red card call, detection of VC
    - positioning

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    - card management (Fabregas card, Ambrose no-card)
    - foul detection (2x missed foul of Izaguirre)

    MARKS:
    Lannoy - 8.3
    Cano - 8.3 (missed offside - 80')
    Annonier - 8.4
    Dansault - 8.3
    Fautrel - 8.3
    Buquet - 8.3

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    1. I only saw the RC and Samaras' YC, but your description sounds like 8.5 and not 8.3 to me.

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    2. You wrote that he correctly rejected a penalty appeal and also that the RC given was correct. So why 8.3? Merely based on YC mistakes? It seems anyway too low.

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    3. We talked about this approach today :) Mistakes like missed/wrongly given card must be punished in marks. Correctly evaluated crucial situation doesn't must mean 8.5 and more. He had nice view and had no choice :)

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    4. So we punish "possible" yellow cards or wrong yellow cards and ignore game-changing decisions in the marks? Uh I have a real problem with that thinking.

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    5. Penalty could've gone other way round, what also would be correct decision, so mark must stay neutral (without + or -). He had no choice with red card, so I also wouldn't add any points for that (maybe 0.1). Mistakes must be punished, and it's kind from me to low it only for 0.1 point :) Just good, expected level (if not correct crucial calls would be 8.2)

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    6. You are right that the RC was mandatory. If one sees it. The thing is that he saw it, and that is his merit and must be rewarded. Concerning the penalty, do you have an exact minute, I would like to rewatch the scene? :)

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    7. And it is by 0.1 for positioning, no more :)

      Penalty 67' (replay 68')

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    8. Thank you. Hm, I support Lannoy here.
      Small distance, ball moving towards the hand and not vice versa. On the other hand, the arm was widely carted out. But it seemed to me as if Neymar had no other intention except shooting the ball towards the hand.

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    9. Yeah, just good expected level with some mistakes from Lannoy :)

      Check YC to Fabregas :D Funny!

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  16. Alberto Undiano has shown an overall good performance. All the cards he gave were correct and mandatory (mostly tactical fouls). He could have sent off Aogo with a 2nd YC but imo it was ok to not do so (but I am coloured here). Furthermore there was a silent penalty appeal in 69' for handball by S04 midfielder Neustädter. He did nothing to avoid a contact with the ball but the hand was close to the body and the replays do not reveal by 100% whether it touched the ball at all.
    AR2 with one clear mistake (1 metre onside, hidden by some players who took his line of sight)...overall expected level.
    Strange situation when some Greenpeace activists abseiled down from the stadium's roof with a huge banner targeted at criticizing a sponsor of S04 and UCL...Platini was not content about that on the standings, as you can imagine, while delegate Sturkenboom was in trouble and advised Undiano to stop the game for a couple of minutes.

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  17. Anonymous1/10/13 23:53

    All, I felt the referee in the Celtic game had a fantastic opportunity to give Niymar a yellow card for simulation! . On this high stage and watched by many, an opportunity missed to send out a clear message to kids and players alike. This simulation incident will most likely be in the new RAP dvd. Your thoughts on this

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    1. Are you talking about first half (24')? If so, I agree that YC would be fine there. However, he chose to let play-on and warn him in a very good manner in next stoppage. No real mistake, it was his approach and Neymar won't act in this way again. So, it was efficient in the end.

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    2. Even in the RC scene one can also highlight Neymar's theatrical reaction...

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    3. Anonymous2/10/13 00:04

      Yes (24'). I agree he went down the education route with this obe, however it was a missed opportunity to help in the fight against simulation! . I feel when tge referee looks at it again he will have regret in not giving the yellow card.

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  18. Mullarkey with crucial mistake through Atletico goal...

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    1. I must admit this is blatant and unexpected from a so experienced official.

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    2. Anonymous2/10/13 00:06

      We are all humans :-)

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  19. I have now watched the YC to Cesc Fabregas and I must admit Hubert is right. Even though it's "only" a wrong YC, it's a clear mistake. Fabregas is also even fouled by the opponent in this action, but he gets the card.. :D
    The sending off for Celtic player was probably suggested by sombody, but very difficult to detect who. Lannoy had already the YC ready!

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    1. imo Lannoy already takes the YC before the Celtic player kicks Neymar. Then Lannoy sees the violent conduct and sends him off.

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  20. Don't get me wrong...but I think after such a matchday we should not too much focus on a YC.
    Fernández Borbalán by the way awarded a correct penalty kick to Dortmund. Reus was fouled close to AAR2 and even though he easily accepted the contact, it was an ok decision. A few minutes earlier he well reacted to a handball in Marseille's box and, imo correctly, rejected the penalty appeal. No deliberate action (deflection, distance, natural hand position).

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    1. About Lannoy's performance. My and - I guess - most observers' approach is: if a referee gives totally wrong YC that should go other way round, misses two fouls of the same player, doesn't book a clear dive and doesn't show a dingle YC toward player who commits two bookable offences, he shouldn't get a mark higher than excepted level. Even if he awards five penalties in this match :) I, however, decided to gave him 8.2 at sedziapilkarski.pl, but who cares. In my opinion, for sure not more than 8.4.
      And yes, there were many other big controversies, so they're most important in overall discussion. I only wanted to highlight my point of view on evaluation system.

      Regards

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    2. Wrong yellows and missing mandatory yellows are -0.1 in our evaluation style (as far as I know UEFA procedes like that, too). No doubt on that.
      We disagree on how to assess the red card. It is not only positioning. A facet of refereeing and one key element UEFA wants to see in their officials is taking unpopular decisions, showing courage. I must say taking such a decision in front of THAT audience is brave and shows Lannoy has guts. Don't get me wrong, of course this may not play a role in the decision process in theory..

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    3. Of course, full respect for everyone's opinion!
      I would say, it's mandatory to have guts being a referee at this level. Then, if you see a clear violent conduct, one can call that brave, one can call that easy call to show a red card. For me, the biggest thing in crucial situations is positioning. If it was good, referee had a clear view, what could've he done? Bottle it would be unacceptable even at grassroots level. And referee is there to take correct decisions - it's his job. I would looking for man-management skills in very hard match with mass-confrontation(s) to say a ref deserves 8.5 and more. If it's based only on decision-making, the performance must be nearly faultless to reach more than 8.4, imo.

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    4. Hubert, you have a point but if we take into account the instructions UEFA has send to the National FA's, even a referee at an easy match can reach a 8.5 mark if his management made the match easy. With that said, I think that Lannoy deserves more than expected level.

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    5. I know about that, but one can ask a question: was his man-management skills amazing, excellent? I would say, they were... yeah - excepted level. I saw such skills in example in Kuipers' POL-MNE game where he used his personality from the beginning to calm down a very tense atmosphere and kept that to the final whistle. Yesterday's game was not difficult until the sending-off, then play became rougher and he just correctly carded bookable offences, did his job in adequate manner. Let's say, it was 8.4/8.5 level then lower his mark by obvious mistakes (yellow card to Fabregas, lack of card to Ambrose, missed fouls of Izaguirre and maybe lack of card to Neymar, but not necessarily), we have maximum 8,5 - minimum 0.2 = maximum 8.3 :) I lowered the mark 8.5 by 0.3 and gave that 8.2 finally. No problem if someone has different opinion.

      Nice discussion by the way!

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    6. Anonymous2/10/13 15:20

      Have not seen the match, but speaking in general terms I fully agree with Hubert. The way he reasons and thinks is the same way I have been taught to reason in Sweden, where we exactly have the same system as UEFA. But, as I said, I have not seen the match so I can't say what mark I would have arrived to, but Hubert's arguments make sense.

      /Swedish observer

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    7. I have now checked Ambrose's fouls and Fabregas' caution.
      I have not seen the match and therefore rely on your analysis and the report written by Chefren that is still to come.

      My basic theory is at the moment:
      Starting mark 8.4 + 0.2 for the RC (including courage, positioning and self-confidence). 8.6.
      Minus a wrong YC to Fabregas (-0.1) and a missing YC for pers. infringement vs Ambrose (-0.1, the first foul did not warrant a YC, due to the contect of the game). Therefore I am at 8.4 level.

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  21. Anonymous2/10/13 10:32

    How on earth can someone say that Jonas Eriksson decicion is acceptable? I love Jonas as a referee but now people are putting "wrong glasses" on the faces.

    You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that Balotelli makes the foul.

    Of course it's a crucial mistake despite some polish ex UEFA observer says otherwise. Ajax is leading 1-0, Milan gets a penalty and 1-1. If that's not a crucial mistake and game chancing incident, then when?

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    1. Probably not a 100% crucial mistake merely talking about the outcome of the game, because I'm reading that Milan deserved a penalty prior to this situation. But of course, double mistake for the referee if everything is confirmed.

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  22. Anonymous2/10/13 12:26

    It doesn't matter if you deserve a penalty prior to that incident. I'm just looking at this incident and that only. The outcome changed from 1-0 to 1-1. Mistake, 7,9. But of course if UEFA is going to keep up with the politics and rubbish they will let him have 8,3.

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    1. No doubt, if it is a mistake, it is crucial.

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  23. Anonymous6/10/13 23:18

    Having read the report for Mazic in a normal match with a missing YC and a defective teamwork, I cannot understand why you give 8,4. IMO you should not give more than 8,2 then...

    German Referee

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    1. Hello,
      As Mazic's management and approach made this match easy, I decided to start at 8.6 and go -0.2 down for the points mentioned. UEFA's system allows that.
      Regards.

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    2. Btw...: this 8.4 is sth different than in DFB's system, just to make that clear.

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