October 12, 2013

Did Çakır fall for a simulated headbutt?

In yesterday's decisive tie between Sweden and Austria who combatted for the runner-up place behind Germany qualifying for the play-off round, Turkish pre-selected World Cup referee Cüneyt Çakır sent off Austria's Marko Arnautovic following a confrontation with Johan Elmander and an alleged headbutt.



How would you have decided? Please answer the poll or place a comment.

47 Comments:

  1. I can understand Cakir decision, but it remains a mistake watching the video.
    Players are able to deceive referees. I think that an appropriate decision here might have been YC against both players, due to mutual misconduct (head to head). It was very difficult for the referee. In a case like this, if you are not close to scene, it's almost impossible to detect that one player is simulating.

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    1. fikret unal13/10/13 09:47

      in my opinion, red card is true. Arnautovic took the foul, whe is he doing like that. in the last minute, he has time for goal. he should think the football. if he hadn't punished maybe elmander was coming for punishing. professional players mustn't do that. cakir is the best..

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  2. One important mistake of Çakir.

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    1. You are misconceiving Çakır. Please pay more attention to Arnautovic's moves and you'll change your mind about the position and the red card.

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  3. Tom Hagen missed a clear RC against CR7:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHONCBaC_BA

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  4. Cakir made the right decision as a referee. There was nothing he could do from that position. Elmander should be punished for this though and Arnautovic shouldn't be punished for his red card.

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    1. Cakir has decided clearly wrong. He suspected something, what was not happened

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    2. We are not computer programs. There are certain situations that it's impossible to make the right decision. In these situations you should evaluate realistically not according to some perfectionist dream.

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  5. I agree.
    In my opinion Cakir had to decide in that way. Neither AR1 nor Cakir himself had a good angle on this situation. From the real pace and their suboptimum positions (which is not their fault!) it indeed looked like a clear violent conduct by Arnautovic.
    I hope that FIFA will proceed against Elmander, although I see no possibility to ban him on the "green table". It was a decision based on facts which normally disallows a suspension issued afterwards.

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    1. What a referee hasn't seen, he can also do not judge and wrong decide. That is fact. He has a recognized a head-butt, that was not happened.

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  6. I disagree.
    "It looked like" is never a good argument. I compare it with a 'normal' simulation, also then it looked like a penalty but it isn't and for the referee it means a crucial mistake.

    Cakir and AR1 made a crucial mistake; 7.9. I hope Elmander will get a ban for his behaviour; a shame for football.

    O.S.

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    1. To clarify that, of course it is a mistake...no doubt.
      But if I ask in the poll "How would you have decided?", then it is certainly easy to say "Mistake!" watching replays that are slowed down 10 times..

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    2. This is my view - which I posted in the blog yesterday.

      I don't think this is a headbutt at all. Both players are acting stupidly, and both should be booked for their bad attitude and behaviour. This is never a red card offense for me. And I am not wearing any Austrian or Swedish glasses here. Only tries to be objective. But, as I said in my initial post - in real life speed it looked like a headbutt so I understand why Cakir gave it. But with hindsight and benefit of replays it is - at least for me - clear that Elmander conned both Cakir and me.

      /Swedish observer

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    3. And in real life I would have done exactly like Cakir.

      /Swedish observer

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  7. I have just found Brych's first sending-off.
    https://vimeo.com/76757647

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  8. I cannot classify this situation as a mistake. Sometimes we forget the term "intention". What was the intention of the player? In my eyes it is a black and white situation. Not a clear mistake,

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    1. the self-proclaimed experts are all after an apology for the error by cakir. It was a clear mistake. There was no headbutt!

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  9. I doubt observer will count that as crucial mistake. I am a fan of defend the referee here. Sometimes simulation is impossible to detect and taking into account the whole background of this situation I would like to know whether any referee would've acted in a different way than Cakir...

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    1. That's my point, exactly.

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    2. "Sometimes simulation is impossible to detect" - That's why we need suspensions for obvious simulation after the match.

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    3. Nobody mentioned it so far, so I do it.
      Austria's goal for the 0-1 lead was a perfect example of the new offside rule (difference between a deflection and a defender deliberately playing the ball). Tarik Ongun got it right.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oq-Xas5p9rI#t=161

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    4. Niclas, can I watch the full match somewhere at the web?

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    5. The offside situation was discussed in Swedish tv in halftime. I am glad to say that one of the experts actually knew the rules, and he told everyone that the decision was correct. It almost never happens that players know the rules, but this time it did. A correct call by the assistant, as Niclas points out.

      /Swedish observer

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    6. @ Hubert: I searched for it too but did not find it (at least livefootballvideo does not have it).

      Yes, often those TV experts - at least in Germany - argue like in the 90s ("attacker was closer to the goalline than the 2nd last defender, so offside!!")..

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    7. Unfortunately, neither livefootballvideo nor rojadirecta nor rgfootball doesn't have it... :/ I would like to watch all Elite and ED referees... Maybe I'll find a good stream of Al Jazeera Sport +4 (today at 14.00)

      Here in Poland we try to educate commentators and experts. It's a bit difficult, but some of them are becoming smarter :D

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  10. To me it is yellow card both players, adopting threatening aggresisve attitude. but the Swedish player has, by tv replay, been seen to act unsportingly, so there could be further action (at least ridicule in media if not by fifa)

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  11. fikret unal13/10/13 09:49

    in my opinion, red card is true. Arnautovic took the foul, whe is he doing like that. in the last minute, he has time for goal. he should think the football. if he hadn't punished maybe elmander was coming for punishing. professional players mustn't do that. cakir is the best..

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  12. That's the CR7's violent conduct against Israel player disgustingly bottled by Hagen...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fod-RCoQP4

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  13. Red, or yellow?
    Hangeland's challenge on Novakovic. SKIP TO MINUTE 1:56:55
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=femmFU749hY

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    1. Borderline. I would like to see a red card instead of issued yellow, but one shouldn't call the Velasco Carballo's decision as mistake.

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    2. From what I heard Velasco was extremely lenient in the match and whistled only 9 fouls after 45 minutes. So in this contect a YC might be the correct decision in a borderline situation.

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    3. Yeah, I was watching the match and I was surprised at the amount of blatant fouls he didn't whistle.

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  14. Video not available in Germany. :/

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    1. OK, I'll try to find another link.

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  15. I was able to see full Cakir's game. I want to share my observations with you.

    I called the match as 'pushing game'. Players of both teams chose to push each other in almost every single fight for the ball. The referee was great in detection of that, but avoided to warn players. However, what could've he done to prevent it, if almost every player commit such type of foul not more than twice, what gave me a feeling of 'pushing game', but not persistent infringement of one player at all.

    Apart from that, Turkish referee hadn't much to do. He firstly warned Austrian player to not kick the ball away after whistle for offside (11'), but then wasn't so kind and booked Janko and Ibrahimović for the same (55', 90+4').

    Then, we have that widely discussed situation with Arnautović and Elmander (90'), that must be evaluated as a crucial mistake. I initially thought the contact between heads was provoked by Austrian player, but I must admit, it was Elmander who ran to Arnautović and touched his head. Then, the awful dive happened. However, both players should've been cautioned for unsporting behaviour (provoking an opponent) though. The referee should be aware to not fall for such theatrical gestures and take the call based on facts, not on feelings. I decided to give a 7.9 mark also against assistant 1, who didn't help or wrongly helped the main referee during decision process. Apart from that, some visible problems with positioning / fitness of AR1 have been detected.

    I must emphasize the great job of assistant referee 2, who correctly evaluated the first goal situation (deliberate play of defender makes an offside nonexistent), but also the difficult for assistant, dynamic 1-1 goal action was nicely evaluated as onside.

    My marks would be then:
    Cüneyt Çakır - 7.9 (8.4)
    Bahattin Duran - 7.9 (8.3)
    Tarık Ongun - 8.8

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  16. Yellow (unsporting behaviour) +yellow (simulation)is only acceptable decision. Austrian player didn't try to kick opponent, he approached head to head. Another big mistake by Cakir.

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  17. Profesor Taltomar I agree with your opinion.

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  18. "Another mistake"? Why "another"?

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  19. We can discuss about yellow or red card for Arnautovic, but I think that Cakir had to give yellow for simulation (intensify head contact).

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  20. Confirmed: England - Germany friendly at Wembley in November. Who do you think will get this game?

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    1. By the way, go easy on us :)

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    2. ;)

      I guess Kuipers is a candidate.

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  21. Just for all readers: Things have been cleared between Hubert and me and both sides realized that there were mistakes. A report will follow soon where Aytekin's performance is summarized and analyzed.

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    1. Yes, same comments often create bad view of incidents. We are all humans and should respect each other. Somewhere, we missed that, but things are cleared now, as Niclas said.

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  23. Congratz. to Cakir's team. Right desicion. Especially first goal offside position. The best referee team.

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