October 21, 2013

UEFA Champions League 2013/14 - Referee Appointments - MD3 (Wednesday)

"Always expect the unexpected" - UEFA Referee Committee have taken this slogan to heart and surprised us with their referee appointments for Wednesday's UEFA Champions League matches. Manuel Gräfe from Germany will face a crucial match at Estadio Santiago Bernabeu between Real Madrid and Juventus Turin under the supervision of Vice Chief Officer Hugh Dallas of Scotland. They furthermore have proven some sense of tact by appointing Irish Alan Kelly for a match in Munich - one of the last chances to bid farewell to UEFA refereeing before he is going to move to the United States. 



(ENG) MANCHESTER UTD.
Manchester United FC
Real Sociedad de Fútbol
REAL SOCIEDAD (ESP)
Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 20:45 CET, Old Trafford, Manchester (ENG) Group A
Referee: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Rob van de Ven (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Charles John Schaap (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Ed Janssen (NED)
Fourth Official: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Antoine Portelli (MLT)
Blog Referee Observer: Niclas (GER)

(GER) BAYER LEVERKUSEN
Bayer 04 Leverkusen
FC Shakhtar Donetsk
SHAKHTAR DONETSK
Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 20:45 CET, BayArena, Leverkusen (GER) Group A
Referee: Stéphane Lannoy (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Frédéric Cano (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Michael Annonier (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Fredy Fautrel (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Fourth Official: Eric Dansault (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Levan Paniashvili (GEO)
UEFA Delegate: Gijs De Jong (NED)
Blog Referee Observer: Edward (GRE)

(ESP) REAL MADRID
Real Madrid CF
Juventus
JUVENTUS (ITA)
Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 20:45 CET, Estadio Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid (ESP) Group B
Referee: Manuel Gräfe (GER, photo)
Assistant Referee 1: Thorsten Schiffner (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Guido Kleve (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Marco Fritz (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Fourth Official: Christian Fischer (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Harry Been (NED)
Blog Referee Observer: Carlos (COL), Niclas (GER)

(TUR) GALATASARAY
Galatasaray AŞ
FC København
FC KØBENHAVN (DEN)
Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 20:45 CET, Ali Sami Yen, Istanbul (TUR) Group B
Referee: Aleksandar Stavrev (MKD)
Assistant Referee 1: Marjan Kirovski (MKD)
Assistant Referee 2: Dejan Kostadinov (MKD)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Dimitar Meckarovski (MKD)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Goran Spirkoski (MKD)
Fourth Official: Nikola Karakolev (MKD)
UEFA Referee Observer: László Vagner (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Christian Mutschler (SUI)
Blog Referee Observer: Edward (GRE)

(POR) SL BENFICA
SL Benfica
Olympiacos FC
OLYMPIACOS (GRE)
Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 20:45 CET, Estádio da Luz, Lisbon (POR) Group C
Referee: Alberto Undiano Mallenco (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Raúl Cabañero Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Carlos Clos Gómez (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Pau Cebrián Devis (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rene Temmink (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Michael Appleby (ENG)
Blog Referee Observer: Chefren (ITA)

(BEL) RSC ANDERLECHT
RSC Anderlecht
Paris Saint-Germain FC
PARIS SG (FRA)
Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 20:45 CET, Constant Vanden Stock, Brussels (BEL) Group C
Referee: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Jesús Calvo Guadamuro (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: José Fernández Miranda (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: César Muñiz Fernández (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Fourth Official: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Michele Uva (ITA)
Blog Referee Observer: Niclas (GER)

(RUS) CSKA MOSKVA
PFC CSKA Moskva
Manchester City FC
MANCHESTER CITY (ENG)
Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 18:00 CET, Arena Khimki, Moscow (RUS) Group D
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Hategan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Cristian Nica (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Octavian Sovre (ROU)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Pavel Cristian Balaj (ROU)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: István Kovács (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nuno Castro (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Tormod Larsen (NOR)
Blog Referee Observer: Chefren (ITA)

(GER) BAYERN MÜNCHEN
FC Bayern München
FC Viktoria Plzeň
VIKTORIA PLZEN (CZE)
Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 20:45 CET, Allianz Arena, Munich (GER) Group D
Referee: Alan Kelly (IRL)
Assistant Referee 1: Damien MacGraith (IRL)
Assistant Referee 2: Dermot Broughton (IRL)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Neil Doyle (IRL)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Padraigh Sutton (IRL)
Fourth Official: Allen Lynch (IRL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Ilkka Koho (FIN)
UEFA Delegate: Eggert Magnusson (ISL)
Blog Referee Observer: Johnny (SRB)

96 Comments:

  1. Niclas, the opening four words of your sentence summed it up nicely.
    I am pleasantly surprised with some of these appointments.

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  2. I'm surprised Grafe in R.Madrid-Juventus. I thought, Proenca (or Benquerenca) Kuipers or Eriksson

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  3. Since Hugh Dallas was appointed for this match, there were only two realistic possibilities: Mazic or Gräfe - of course nobody thought about an ED ref because I guess we all agree that, on paper, this match definitely required an Elite referee.

    What do you think, it is rather a sign for a pending promotion or demotion, keeping in mind that Gräfe is in Premier Development since 1 Jan. 2011 and in Elite Development since June 2011 and that he is 40 yo (--> a decision must be taken this winter)?

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    1. For me, it's a final test. It will be advance to the Elite, if Grafe will perform well. And in contrary, if there will be bigger mistakes.

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    2. Sorry Hubert, very poor performance yesterday evening.
      And the assistants performed very badly as well.

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  4. I think these appointments are stupid. Why put Alan Kelly in CL when he is going to USA and will quit? Referee in 1st catagory, refereed in CL two years ago maybe?

    Grafe does not have the quality to referee Real Madrid - Juventus. We will see that tomorrow.

    These two appointments.
    Joke.

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    1. You mentioned that he does not have the quality for Real - Juventus. I guess you never watched his more than 100 matches in Bundesliga, right?

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    2. I think that Gräfe is one very good referee and much better that Aytekin.

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  5. I believe his not in the quality of Real Madrid - Juventus. I feel that there are better referees coming up then Manuel Grafe. My opinion. No hard feelings despite you're German Niclas.

    You see more of German referees and you support them. I can understand that.

    I just can not understand the politics behind this, pushing Grafe so hard. I feel that there are other referees who deserve this more.

    My opinion.

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    1. Yes I understand your point of view. I am not backing him in any way, it is just that I know that he is able to handle top clash matches nearly every weekend here without problems. In 2011 for example, he had the highest average mark of all officials and really had many top clashes among his appointments. So I doubt he has not the quality but agree with you that it is hard to understand why an ED referee gets such a match. And of course it is also due to Germany. If you e.g. see the promotion to Elite Tagliavento received some periods ago, you can guess that some countries are more appreciated when it comes to political action.

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    2. What's wrong with giving the man a chance?

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    3. The pitch will answer tomorrow.
      I have nothing against this appointment, what I can say is that probably Graefe deserved a high profile appointment more than the other Development referees also because he is in this category since years...

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    4. I watched Grafe at Benfica - Anderlecht and as I said to Niklas the following day, the match wasn't challenging at all. If UEFA needed to take a decision on Grafe they should have appointed him for a bigger match. IMO the appointments may be risky but it is correct.

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    5. Emil Archambault22/10/13 20:08

      Given that Wolfgang Stark will be retiring next year, Germany will probably have a new Elite referee to replace him. However, whether it is a good move to promote a referee who is only 4 years younger than Stark is open to question. He's older than Kassai, Skomina and Clattenburg, who all have been Elite for years now.

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    6. Yes but we are talking about 4 years. This is not a short time if you ask me.

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    7. It is however no secret that specially Aytekin and also Zwayer are planned to follow into Stark's and Meyer's footsteps if we look for the future. Gräfe could be a transition until Zwayer is ready.

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    8. Correct. You must see, that Germany "is missing" an Elite Group referee since Meyer was demoted. Adding Stark's age, there shall be two new Elite Group referees from Germany in the next years. These two places are going to be filled by Gräfe, Aytekin and/or Zwayer.

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  6. What about Mallenco?
    I'm going to think that he his again Spain nr. 1 and due to his previous experience in South Africa, he will fly to Brazil on June.
    And also at UEFA level now I see better him than Carballo.

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    1. I agree, I watched both Mallenco and Carballo recently and the latter made a little mess out of a game in which he wasn't challenged (SVN-NOR). I too have my money on Mallenco being on the flight to Brazil.

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    2. I live at Spain and I know very well our football.
      I think that Velasco Carballo will be at Brasil and not
      Undiano Mallenco.

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    3. Are you sure? Mallenco good matches and very good performances (La Liga, Champions, England-Montenegro, El Clasico...)
      Velasco low level matches and not expected performances.
      I'd chose Mallenco if I had to do it!

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    4. Carballo is the only UEFA referee without a FIFA tournament yet. I don't think the FIFA will select someone with only a CWC (?) on his palmares.

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    5. Agree with Edward. FIFA has had enough chances to appoint Carballo in a tournament. Undiano has more experience on both domestic and FIFA level, and has already officiated at the u20 World Cup this year.
      UEFA seemed to like Carballo more since 2010, however this does not count for FIFA IMO.
      The Spanish duel seems to have been all but decided already...

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    6. I have nothing against Spanish refereeing as a whole but am just considering the last months and performances shown by both officials. In my humble opinion both Spaniards are at the moment struggling to show the same level like their colleagues. But of course, Spain has a safe place on the WC list.
      I do not want to dare to make a judgement or prediction. Undiano is experienced and became really good and solid in some less important matches (in CL at least), although he for example had problems in Glasgow and never was totally trusted by UEFA. He never got a semifinal or even final. Velasco is definitely the no.1 in UEFA's opinion. Just check his destinations in UCL...but FIFA is of course different and Undiano has real chances. I must give my honest opinion now. No Spanish referees to the World Cup would be in line with performance principle, the appointments over the last month and the fact that Velasco did not get any FIFA tournament so far.

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    7. Interestingly enough it seems as we agree Niclas. No Spaniard should go to Brazil. They are not good enough.

      /Swedish observer

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    8. I don't agree, Niclas and Swedish observer. I don't see the Spanish officials so poor or worse than other colleagues from different countries.

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    9. Probably Mallenco's most high profile appointment was Chelsea-Man Utd a couple seasons back.

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  7. Still no Champions League outing for Martin Atkinson (seems to be out of favour to with PGMOL, he has a football league game this weekend).
    Many ED officials have got appointments and he only has one EL game. It's not looking good for Atko...

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  8. Fandel promotes Grafe, & Aytekin. Meyer has retired, and Stark for years to retirement

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  9. Niclas. Chefren, Edward and others.

    I read this blog almost every day and I think it's fantastic and you can be proud of the work that's put this site in so high regards among people love to talk about football refereeing.

    I know Grafe is an experienced referee but as I said, just my opinion. I don't see him as top Elite referee. But I respect your opinion and I hope you respect mine:)

    But what about Alan Kelly? What does this appointment means? In my opinion meaningless appointment.

    Thanks for a fantastic website! Keep up the good work.

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    1. Thank you very much, it is a pleasure that you enjoy it.
      Of course I respect your opinion and partly agree with it. What is quite sure is that Gräfe will never reach a great final in the next 4 seasons, he would be only Germany's no.2 or rather 3. But I see a certain pattern that also applied to Tagliavento: one knew this referee would not reach Rizzoli's and Rocchi's level, he was quite old, too, but nonetheless they promoted him. What I just referred to was the point given by you that he has not the quality - he has it, but in fact he has no perspective on international stage.
      As for Kelly, I really believe that over the past months he did well in quite important matches. He decided to move to the US and so this match is perhaps a nice gesture by the committee. A small gift before it is time to say goodbye :)

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    2. Kelly's nomination was a parting gift on the part of the Committee for years of faithful service. So you should see it!

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  10. Im also thinking that Velasco-Carballo will travel to Brazil, Got the qualification matches, since this games is a lot dependet on whiter to bet on Carballo, wheter Mallenco

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    1. Jaco, your "English" sucks.

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    2. Don't you have e.g. schools in your country?

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  11. I cannot speak English, a translator a coock pouding

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  12. I cannot speak English, a trnalator , a cock baigging

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    1. Some hints:
      - stop ridicule your country at other sites, speaking not understandable language with some English words,
      - start to learn your mother-language at first, cause you proved at other sites that you're not able to write one sentence rightly in your language,
      - start to learn English and come back here when someone will be able to understand you ;)

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    2. Too harsh. I see many teachers and professors here.
      Not good.

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    3. Respect counts for everyone here including JACO.

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  13. Yes, we have noticed that. Wouldn't you want to stop making a fool of yourself?

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  14. My list REFEREE, WORLD-CUP-2O14
    EUROPA(UEFA)
    1-Jonas Eriksson(SWEDEN)
    2-Pedro Proenca Oliveira Alves Garcia(PORTUGAL)
    3-Damir Skomina(SLOVENIYA)
    4-Nicola Rizzoli(ITALIA)
    5-Dr.Felix Brych(GERMANY)
    6-Howard Melton Webb(ENGLAND)
    7-Cuneyt Cakir(TURKEY)
    8-Stephane Lannoy(FRANCE)
    9-Carlos Velasco-Carballo(ESPANA)
    FURTH-Milorad Mazić(SERBIA)

    AZJA(AFC)
    1-Yuichi Nishimura(YAPAN)
    2-Ravshan Irmatov(UZBEKISTAN)
    3-Navaf Shukrallah(BAHRAJN)
    FURTH-Alireza Faghani(IRAN)

    ARFRICA(CAF)
    1-Djamel Haimoudi(ALGIERIA)
    2-Badara Diatta(SENEGAL)
    3-Daniel Benneth(RPA)
    FURTH-Neant Alioum(CAMEROON)

    AMERICA PŁN-ŚRODKOWA-&-KARAIBY(CONCACAF)
    1-Roberto Garcia(MEXICO)
    2-Joel Aguilar(EL-SALVADOR)
    3-Walter Lopez(GUATEMALA)
    FURTH-Jair Maruffo(USA)

    AMERICA-SUD(CONMEBOL)
    1-Sandro M.Ricci(BRASIL)
    2-Nestor Pitana(ARGENTINA)
    3-Martin Vasquez(URUGUAY)
    4-Wilmar R.Perez(COLOOMBIA)
    5-Enrique Oses( CHILE)
    FURTH-Antonio Arias(PARAGUAY)

    OCEANIA(OFC)
    1-Peter O'Leary(NEVZELAND)
    FURTH-Norbert Huata(TAHITI)

    GOOD-BYE

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    1. Kuipers? He is a sure name for me, best europe referee of 2013;)

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    2. I agree, Kuipers is a certainty. He just handled the Confederations Cup final after all.

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    3. Lannoy? may be just a parting gift for the weak French

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  15. Hategan disallows a CSKA goal after a high boot on Yaya Toure...

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  16. Excellent penalty decision by Gräfe (or rather AAR1 Fritz).

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    1. agreed! good performance of the team so far!

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  17. yeah, you can call it. But there was zero chance of playing the ball and you could have 3 penalties each match like that.

    45 minutes 2nd yellow for Vidal missed.

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  18. Okay first half for Nijhuis. A total of 5 cautions administered.

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  19. I clearly remember the discussions after Kuipers' performance in Barca-Milan two years ago when he awarded a similar penalty. In the end we got to know that UEFA deeply appreciated this decision and I believe that also Hugh Dallas (the same observer like in Barca-Milan with Kuipers) will be consistent and happy.

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  20. Stavrev with a good performance so far. Nothing really challenging since Galatasarai is 3-0 ahead. The most interesting thing is the 4' of added time. It may seem a lot of first half but it is completely justified.

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  21. Penalty given by Kelly correct; OK not to award a second one in 43'. Rest of the match is easy so far.

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    1. Overall a good and lenient performance in a not challenging match. Teamwork quite good except a missed offside before the 4-0.
      I would say he is ready for more challenging CL matches. ;)

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    2. He won't be getting any more champions league matches as he's moving to America to officiate in MLS

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  22. And Lannoy has awarded a very critical penalty to formulate it kindly. IMO it was nothing.

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    1. Compensation for a missed penalty for Leverkusen in the first half

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  23. Nijhuis has been very card happy tonight...

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  24. Red card in Real-Juve is a match decisive mistake by the referee, What a nasty guy this Ronaldo, he deserved a yellow card in my opinion.

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    1. Violent Conduct, Red Card. I can agree with this estimation of the scene. Irrelevant what Cristiano makes out of it; Chiellini strikes.

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    2. I don't agree here. Cristiano Ronaldo is a player known for his playing unfair (please take a look at Portugal - Israel just to watch something). He always tries to deceive referees, to get penalties and all that stuff. This evening, again. This was more a YC than a straight RC but I can still agree. Not totally wrong decision. The relevant mistake is the missed second YC to Vidal in first half. Graefe was close to scene and he deliberately avoided the card because he knew that the first one was for complaints and so a "soft" one (if you understand what I mean).
      In addition to that, sometimes it seemed to me that Graefe was not 100% sure in giving cards. One example of that, the two cards given at 78' (Modric and Caceres) after a too long time.
      All in all, drawing conclusions, we could even give more than 7.9 to Graefe (not a clear crucial mistake in his match) nevertheless it seems to me that under the eyes of Dallas, overall he didn't offered the expected performance in order to join Elite (assuming that this was the reason of a committee member).

      Finally a remark: it could be possible that Graefe gacve this RC due to DOGSO. Buit I'm not sure.

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    3. No. Chiellini deserved a yellow card, but that was it. Red card was a very harsh decision.
      If this was meant to be Graefe's final exam before being promoted to Elite Group, well, he basically flunked it.

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    4. It seems that Chiellini was sent off for DOGSO.

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    5. My view:
      This is foul that deserves warning or max. YC (reckless). The RC must be for DOGSO and here I agree with the referee - in moment of foul, Ronaldo could've gone straight in front of the keeper. I see this call as perfect one, with great feeling of the whole situation.

      The missed 2nd YC for Vidal should've been issued. So, as I know guidelines for UEFA observers, the overall mark should be decreased by 0.2/0.3 in this case.

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  25. More DOGSO than violent conduct. http://youtu.be/Swo3fpFiSU4

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    1. Indeed here a RC beause of the DOGSO is acceptable in my eyes. Barzagli is on the level as Chiellini, but too far away. Ronaldo only had to run two more steps and could shoot than.

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  26. GET REAL!
    Never a DOGSO. And he did not give it for DOGSO, why else would he show the elbow gesture!

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  27. I disagree with dogso + sfp / vc. For me yellow card for reckless elbow deployment and stopping a promising attack and not more.

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    1. http://pbrd.co/17cA74K

      We all know CR7 skills, I believe it would be a goal. Of course, I think no one would really complaint about YC in this case. However, for me it's still more red than yellow card.

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  28. Btw the decision was very likely made by AR2. Gräfe was hesitant for a long time and seemed to rely on his assistant(s) who had a better sight.

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    1. I don't know if this was already posted in this forum...
      Guidelines for deailng with hands and elbow fouls:
      a referee must identify either arms/hands/elbow/fist/palm was used as:
      -tool
      -weapon

      If it is used as tool it means that it prevents oponent to progress (usually holding, pushing, ...). Usually this happens with promising attack so YC is obligatory
      If it is used as weapon - intentional hit of a player into vulnerable part of body (head, neck, plexus...) it should be punished with RC.

      The easisest way to determine player's intention when going into the duel is to see where player is looking at!!!
      For example this video shows this situation at 2:40
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6gl5Vyf7mY
      at 2:41-2:42 it clearly shows that yellow player is looking at white player (not at the ball). His intention is to stop the player. He choses the "hand" technique. At first he raises his hand in the height of chest and at the beggining of 2:43 he raises it higher (intentionally he aimed at oponent's head). At that moment his hands changed from tools to weapon. It was clear intention!
      Since AAR2 had clear view of this happening I presume that he noticed ref about punishment.
      And according to uefa guidelines for referees decisions (fouls with hands - difference between YC and RC) it is correct.

      Also ref clearly shows elbow gesture (what is not the wisest gesture) and thatway he excludes DOGSO (we could talk about that too...)

      TM

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  29. CAF Champions League final

    First leg (2 November)

    ORLANDO PIRATES - AL-AHLY SC
    Referee: Djamel Haimoudi (Algeria)
    Assistant 1: Redouane Achik (Morocco)
    Assistant 2: Abdelhak Etchiali (Algeria)
    4th Official: Mohamed Benouza (Algeria)

    Second Leg (9 November)

    AL-AHLY SC - ORLANDO PIRATES
    Referee: Bakary Papa Gassama (Gambia)
    Assistant 1: Angessom Ogbamariam (Eritrea)
    Assistant 2: Felicien Kabanda (Rwanda)
    4th Official: Maudo Jallow (Gambia)

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    1. Vero good appointment for Gassama.

      Again on Graefe: the red card was given for the elbow, if you watch the video again, you see that Grafee makes a clear gesture,. So no DOGOSO for him.
      Anyway I 100% agree with Niclas: also in this case he relied (maybe too mkuch?) on his assistants. The decision was very likely taken by AR2.

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  30. DRAGAN NIKOLOVSKI:

    Maybe it's easy to say after the match, but i have an impression that Graefe was not the right man for this battle of titans, maybe because of his AR-s and AAR-s.. Brych would be better choice, anyway.

    I don't know if Graefe will be promoted in December, but I think that UEFA should make a more reasonable choice for the match in Italy, and especially later for Galata-Juve..

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  31. See carefully :) Grafe shows an elbow gesture, but then he indicates by two fingers that there would be a free pole for Ronaldo. I suppose he explained the kind of the foul (that there was a foul at all) as the player surely said it was a shoulder challenge. Then, he showed the real reason for a red card by two fingers. In my opinion, it was for d.o.g.s.o.

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    1. I think this second gesture has to be pointed out again. Gräfe also doesn't sign an ellbow check, which would be shown by an additional movement with the arm, but only shows that the foul was commited by the arm/ellbow. Maybe not a clever, but imo understandable gesture.

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    2. Nice to be not the only one for d.o.g.s.o. interpretation ;)

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  32. Guys, I think yesterday evening was not good for UEFA Referees. Several shocking mistakes:
    - No red card for Chiellini, as you mentioned
    - Vidal MUST get a second yellow for his very, very, very big dive when he kicks in the ground and then claims being hit by his opponent who is 2m away. This is an attack on the fair Play principles and must be banned.
    - Vidals harsh attack in first half should have been red too.
    - The penalty decision by Lannoy is a joke. Unbelievable that he gives a penalty for quite nothing.
    - Mallenco has to stop the match in Lisbon. The pitch was that plenty by water that the ball stopped and a normal football match was impossible. I can´t understand why he didn´t stop the match! IMO this was match decisive error because at least one ball would have crossed the line of Benfica´s Goal, so it would have been 2-0 for Olympiacos!

    Best regards
    phil

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    1. Yes, I saw the highlights of the Benfica-Olympiacos game. It really was a farce and somewhat amusing at times!

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  33. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E7BHROHoc8#t=56
    Niclas,especialy Chefren
    One of Italian TV stations, show a video where they prove that contact between Vidal and Ilaramendi exist.Now,i'm sure that Grafe,and even AAR didn't saw that (very hard to see),but in my opinion that contact was enough for losing balance :)
    Your opinions?
    Regards!

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    1. No, this little contact some meters ago is not enough for me to award a penalty. Vidal is falling, because he kicks into the pitch and not becaus of that tiny contact before.

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    2. But in this case, lack of yellow card is understandable and shouldn't be evaluated as a mistake.

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    3. I agree with Hagi and Hubert.

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  34. I think UEFA won't mark it as a mistake. In this case nearly all decisions are possible: yellow card for tactical foul (with elbow), yellow card for the foul because of no clear DOGSO-situation, red card for intentional elbow/violent conduct (really a bit too harsh) or DOGSO. The other situations I have not seen. In general, Gräfe kept calm and had a good communication with his assistants (therefore maybe his decisions took a bit more time). I think that Gräfe will be tested a third time to be sure because this time you (UEFA referee committee) are not smarter than before. However I believe that Gräfe will join Elite, unless he will cause big mistakes in his next game (maybe under the eyes of Collina himself) because Germany insists to have three places in the Group (like Italy and will make pressure - Collina/Dallas cannot decide alone). And don't forget: Mazic, Tagliavento, Clattenburg or Collum also had not the best performances before reaching Elite. So let's wait and see... (december comes)!

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  35. This bullshit politics that Germany has to have 3 referees in Elite, Italy 3, England 3 and so on is ruing football refereeing!

    Why haven't the English media get a hold on this politics bullshit?

    Why don't we use the best referees we have? If they are two from Croatia, one from Germany, two from Italy, none from Spain and so on. The best should be there. Not for political reasons.

    Here in England we have three Elite referees. We should only have two. Martin Atkinson is not good enough. The committee should see that. Everyone sees that.

    I know I'm being naive but I hate this "Germany or Italy has to have three".

    Why do Scotland who are shit in football have two Elite referees? Can anyone explain and justify that?

    How can committe members be so spoiled?

    I want honest work with honest people.

    Best regards from Britain,

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    1. There is argument that referees who whistle matches in front of at least 30.000 people must be naturally better (more experienced for sure). However, I totally agree with you. But c'mon every national federation work like this and I don't see it could change. I'm sure it won't change!

      Big RESPECT for you!
      You have my idea of refereeing (at office level).

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    2. I agree that at current form, Martin Atkinson is not fit for Elite status. I watch a lot of Premier League football and when Atkinson is on his game he's one of the best in England. Although I fear demotion for him. You could argue that the German, English, Spanish and Italian leagues are the the best in Europe, maybe the world. So, I don't know why you find it so suprising that most of the Elite officials originate from these nations.
      Furthermore, I dont understand what you have against the Scottish Premier League. Surely, it is superior to The Hungarian, Slovenian, Czech and Serbian leagues etc. However, there are officaials who are from these nations who are very good officials. The likes of Skomina, Kralovec and Mazic. For me, it does not matter which league you officiate in. If your good enough, you have a chance of being in the Elite Category.
      Barring one "dodgy" game, Thomson has performed very well in recent months, so has Collum who's improving by every passing month.

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    3. I can't see any relationship between league and referee. Is English or Spanish refereeing the best in the World? I doubt that.

      The only sentence I disagree with British Anonymous is: 'Why do Scotland who are shit in football have two Elite referees? Can anyone explain and justify that?' As I said, no relationship between level of football and level of refereeing.

      The rest he said is just I think all the time, seeing many names of highest categories and involved in promotions. It's not good, but I don't want to list names I have in mind :)

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    4. Come on...Great Britain counts as the mother of football and they always had a superior role. Just see how the IFAB is made up and you will lose all your democratic feeling for fairness. Furthermore Scotland have a referee committee member - not only a normal member, but a vice officer. One can debate on Thomson's shape, but imo Collum deserved his Elite status by excellent performances in the past.

      Today I received documents that unequivocally justify Gräfe's RC against Chiellini, even though it does not correspond to my first opinion. This mater is of course not touching on the question of whether he will be promoted or not.

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  36. That is not my opinion or wish how refereeing should be. I only wanted to make clear that Germany will insist to have three Elite Refs until the system is how it is. Everyone in the committee wants to "help" his nation (e.g. Dallas). That is maybe understandable but the best referees should be selected. Unfortunately we are not members of the committee, we cannot change it, we cannot avoid politics in this case, we do not know how it works.

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  37. Can you post the full assignments of today Europa League matches ? AAR included ?
    Thanks

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  38. I think that Gräfe is one godd referee. But yesterday at Madrid he
    don´t was just.

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  39. The official reason for the sending-off of Chiellini given in the match report has been denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity (dogso).

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    1. Which makes Graefe's decision look more ridiculous than ever. Goal scoring opportunity? Yes, maybe. Obvious? Not really. Ronaldo didn't even have full control of the ball when Chiellini hit him, you can see he kicks the ball forward and then tries to catch up.

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