February 17, 2014

Champions League - Round of 16 - Referee Appointments (II)

Nicola Rizzoli and Pedro Proença have been assigned to head their officiating teams into Wednesday's UEFA Champions League Round of 16 ties in London's Emirates Stadium and Stadio Giuseppe Meazza of Milan. Rizzoli has been appointed for the top clash between Arsenal FC and Bayern München and will thus handle the German champions' return to the English capital after 2013 Champions League final at Wembley that was also overseen by the Italian no.1. Simultaneously to this match, Portugal's World Cup referee Pedro Proença will referee AC Milan vs Atlético Madrid.



Wednesday, 19 February 2014, 20:45 CET
Emirates Stadium, London, England
Arsenal FC - FC Bayern München
Referee: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Andrea Stefani (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Renato Faverani (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Luca Banti (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Antonio Damato (ITA)
Fourth Official: Lorenzo Manganelli (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Manuel Mejuto González (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Armen Minasyan (ARM)
Blog Referee Observer: Thomas H. (NED)

Wednesday, 19 February 2014, 20:45 CET
Stadio Giuseppe Meazza, Milan, Italy
AC Milan - Atlético Madrid
Referee: Pedro Proença (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bertino Miranda (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tiago Trigo (POR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: João Capela (POR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Duarte Gomes (POR)
Fourth Official: Paulo Alexandre Santos (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Horst Brummeier (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Wolfgang Thierrichter (AUT)
Blog Referee Observer: Edward (GRE)

66 Comments:

  1. Anonymous17/2/14 10:57

    Niclas 0/4 The conjectures are not easies.

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  2. Expected appointment for Rizzoli, but not for Proença if you ask me.
    Stefani is there despite his mistake in Schalke - Basel.
    So we have two WC referees for Wednesday matches.
    4 matches until now and 4 big names among the Elite officials.

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  3. Can't argue with the first four appointments - four very experienced officials. Pedro Proença's first Champions League Knockout stage assignment in nearly two years after surprisingly missing out on the whole of last years.

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  4. OT
    Atkinson and Webb are with their regular assistants for this weekends Premier League games. A CL appointment next week is possible for both.

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  5. Anonymous17/2/14 17:17

    Two very good designations.

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    1. Anonymous17/2/14 19:10

      In my opinion, Rizzoli should perform better than he did in his last appearance with Bayern.
      Regards.

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  6. Anonymous19/2/14 20:58

    Looked like offside before the penalty for Arsenal. Luckily for team Rizzoli, Arsenal did not score on the penalty. Justice done in the end (and Rizzoli was right in awarding the penalty, and the assistant is the one who should be blamed).

    /Swedish observer

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  7. I agree - Rizzoli correctly awarded a penalty, but Ozil did look offside in the build up. Stefani the culprit...

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  8. Surely a more excusable mistake than the one made in Schalke - Basel, but still a potentially crucial mistake.

    http://img176.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=834077872_1_122_31lo.jpg

    I'm sorry for Stefani too, but this time we can't blame him too much, difficult.

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    1. Anonymous19/2/14 21:40

      For me,its correct decision.
      Look at Bayern's no 4 (Dante) and then compare his position with Ozil.
      You can draw a line if you want,and you will see that if offside exists,it is minimal. :)
      Good first half for team Rizzoli.
      Second penalty also correct,and I agree with red card decision, because in the moment of contact,the ball was just one meter from attacker. All the best ! :)
      Ref

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    2. Anonymous19/2/14 21:47

      And,call me soo pedantic,but on the picture it was not the moment when the pass to Ozil started.

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  9. Anonymous19/2/14 21:31

    Yet another correct penalty. Well done, Rizzoli! The red card was harsh but correct, I think.

    /Swedish observer

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    1. Anonymous19/2/14 21:35

      Agreed. I got the impression that there was an hesitation regarding the red card, but I also think it was correct.

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    2. Anonymous19/2/14 21:42

      Rizzoli talked with his AAR for 4-5 seconds, good decision of course.

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  10. Rizzoli was left with no other alternative IMO, reckless play from the goalkeeper. The Italian has been impressive thus far.

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    1. Anonymous19/2/14 21:42

      maybe video are?

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    2. Anonymous19/2/14 22:01

      Some people try to speak English, but they can't do that.
      Don't mind too much, Nur.

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  11. Anonymous19/2/14 21:39

    Very challenging first half. Two correct awarded penalty, red card. Dark side: offside prior the first penalty. All in all, very good.

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  12. Anonymous19/2/14 21:39

    I agree.

    /Swedish observer

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  13. Anonymous19/2/14 21:53

    This may be Rizzoli's best performance this season so far. Very solid, with a tremendous foul detection. Physically he is unstoppable. A very good sprint with a very good anticipation. In both crucial decisions, he took the right decision, with many compliments to his fellow countryman Damato, who had the courage to advise (or maybe confirm) Rizzoli about the red card for the goalkeeper of Arsenal. Stefani who made a very tight mistake in his call, prior to the penalty kick awarded to Arsenal. As we all know UEFA will definitely blame him for this mistake, even it is very tight to detect.
    All in all a very satisfactory performance of team Rizzoli. The call made by Faverani prior to Bayern's penalty kick was a very good one. Of course not difficult at all, but ok. At least he is sharp.

    And then one point of critism: If I was the observer tonight, I would have given Stefan at least -0.3 for a poor control of the second last defender (SLD).
    Here in our country this would be intolerant. What a horrible way of refereeing.
    But ok, I have to admit that I am very critical. Especially in this fase of CL.

    Have a good second half you all.

    Cheers.

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  14. Anonymous19/2/14 21:59

    Was the RC to Szczesny given for DOGSO or the foul by itself?
    I think both motivations are suitable.

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    1. Anonymous23/2/14 20:25

      Only for DOGSO. Foul itself was only careless.

      Regards.
      P.L.

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  15. Anonymous19/2/14 22:01

    How is team Proenca doing tonight?

    /Swedish observer

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    1. Well, Proenca was very good. He cautioned 7 players (3-4) and without doubt all cards were spot-on. His AR's weren't challenged but the both helped him with fouls and cautions near them. Even the FO advised him to caution #20 ACM for a foul near him. Teamwork was most definitely a very strong point of this team.

      More on my report.

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    2. Many fouls, sometimes Proença seemed to me a bit lenient, there was a penalty appeal by Milan for a foul on Poli during the first half (37'). Difficult situation to evaluate but for me the penalty can be given, Atletico defender tried to hit the ball with his leg but at the end he hit the opponent. It wasn't blatant.
      Apart from that, there was also a small riot in first half.

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  16. It seems "triple punishment" is still in use, judging by the last 48 hours...

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  17. Apart from the offside we can discuss about: outstanding performance by Rizzoli. It does not happen often, but I would dare to say he did not make any mistake.

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  18. Anonymous19/2/14 22:54

    What about a situation regarding Mueller, 75th min? Was that missed penalty kick for Bayern, or a good call not to whistle?

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    1. Very surreal situation...hardly anyone complaint. I must rewatch that, imo Arsenal could not have complaint but Müller also seemed to stumble over his own legs or stumble over the turf a bit.. your opinions?

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    2. Anonymous19/2/14 23:01

      I dont know. If I had a moment, like Rizzoli did, I would made the same decision as he did.

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    3. Anonymous20/2/14 00:19

      There was a contact, but I have strong doubts whether it caused Müller's fall. I think the player decided to fall knowing that he's not able to win the ball. Penalty wouldn't be a mistake, but allowing such contact is not a mistake too.

      / Varuzhan

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  19. No offside.
    http://www.uploadarea.de/files/3pimbvp2gvsx121b6wnwvu74u.jpg

    This is the moment when the pass was played. IMO at least Dante is perfectly level with Özil. And even if...you cannot blame Stefani here. Benefit of the doubt.

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    1. Anonymous20/2/14 14:58

      Dear Niclas,

      I am very sorry, but as a referee observer you really should be shamed of making a shot of this angle in such a crucial call in such a poor camera position. It really was offside! 100%. I agree with the other followers that it was just a centimetre of 20, not more, but it still was offside, so please don't repeat this again.

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    2. Emil Archambault20/2/14 16:39

      Show us your video/photo evidence. Niclas' screenshot is the best we have so far, and shows quite convincingly it is no offside. So, where's your proof that it was offside?

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    3. Anonymous20/2/14 17:10

      Dear Emil,

      Take http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch/europe/uefa-champions-league/arsenal-vs-bayern-munich-2 and then the first VK video, and make a shot on 12:31, and try to convince us that it was onside.
      It's the moment of PLAY which counts, not the moment of TOUCH. Make a good difference between this keywords please.

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    4. Dear Mr Shamed
      You should be ashamed. You should have made a screenshot before the videos were deleted. "This video has been removed from public access."
      And concerning your first comment: fytp.

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    5. Another replay of German TV with a virtual line:
      http://www.uploadarea.de/files/c2w564l14sqit9c2tids2pqj8.jpg
      Offside. Yes. But it was not the moment of playing the pass, all the TV channels stopped a part of a second too late. You, as surely estimated referee observer, should know that in this case a referee observer HAS TO back the referee.

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    6. Emil Archambault20/2/14 23:18

      So, what I see: a very tight offside call, with no evidence whatsoever showing the referee made an error. On the contrary, based on my (elementary) knowledge of trigonometry, I stand with the AR (and with Niclas' analysis) and say the onside decision is correct! Based on your logic, Anonymous, you cannot say it is offside, as you are not on the offside line either!

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  20. And a nice example of deliberate save / offside:
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/kAgS88tEhbEaHx5xoHx&start=2381

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  21. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k1mZOtRYjjjbFH5xoL6&start=1461
    Adequate management by Proença?
    I think that the YC can be accepted because the player clearly hit the ball at first, but it was a very, very dangerous tackle borderline to straight red card for SFP.
    Then a riot happened, the game was resumed after 2 minutes but Proença gave only 1 minute as additional time in first half.

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    1. Furthermore he "forgot" the first foul against de Jong, which was shown in the immediate replays. He had whistled it before the second foul occured and IMO it was worth a yellow card, too. And the match continued at the place of the second foul, not the first one...

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  22. I want to hear your opinions on this one.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k3qaw2hMQaf4Zs5xoL6&start=2532

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    1. Emil Archambault20/2/14 16:36

      The link doesn't work for me

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    2. Try this one.

      http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch/europe/uefa-champions-league/ac-milan-vs-atletico-madrid

      The 1st VK video (around 42:00 of video).

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  23. After the excellent performance in Arsenal-Bayern, today Rizzoli, Stefani and Faverani have been immediately appointed for the Turion derby, Juventus-Torino, to be played on Sunday in serie A.
    To complete the officiating crew: Rizzoli and Calvarese as AARs and Ghiandai as Fourth.

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    1. I mean Rocchi and Calvarese as AARS, of course.

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  24. Anonymous20/2/14 19:37

    Thomas,
    First of all thank you for your report of MCI - FCB. One point of critism:
    The call AR2 Wärnmark made in minute 63', which you call extremely tight and therefore outstanding, made me think. In my opinion Alfredo Negredo was offside by the top of his shoe. If you would draw a virtual line, I think you would share my view, therefore in my opinion, a 8.5 is not evaluated correct.
    All in all a good report by a very good observer.

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    1. Not only a very good one, but also a speedy observer. Rizzoli's report is already online.

      As for the offside, I think Pique's shoe was level with the forward's kneecap. Maybe Wärnmark is not in the 100% optimum position (due to pace of the action), but I would not call it a great call as well.
      http://www.uploadarea.de/files/gs3272xc66y6wbh9uv9pvtwyn.jpg

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    2. Thank you for your kind words anonymous, and especially for your point raised. Personally, I don't like to lower a referee's mark. Especially for a situation of this tightness. I have learned that assistant referees are encouraged to give the advantage to the attacking team in these situations. That means offsides by 10 cms are regarded as no-offsides. In this particular situation the difference is at most 5-10 cms, and I therefore see this call as a great one, in line with the philosophy that the attacking team should be given the advantage.

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  25. Anonymous20/2/14 20:24

    Thomas,
    Thank you very much for have given Andrea Stefani a -0.4 for his so so perfomance yesterday. I really think that Rizzoli ask FIFA to keep Stefani in his team (maybe even in consultation with Alfredo Tretalange). I really can't believe that Stefani could be Italy's number 1. In my opinion he is (one of) the worst assistant referee on the Elite tour. Now we can find a reason for his poor offside calls.

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    1. I must say I do not like to reduce marks, and I do not wish to place a judgement of a referee/assistant referee onto one or two matches. I remember enough matches of Stefani when he was very good, so I don't really agree with your judgement here.
      I'm not sure whether positioning is a reason for some offside calls made; he was perfectly positioned for the offside goal in Schalke-Basel, for example. It is however important and that is why I was forced to reduce the marks.

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  26. Anonymous20/2/14 20:32

    Opinion about situation before penalty (Ars:Bay). Mandzukic in offside position, stopped Koscielny, when Kos tried to run after Bayern player (Robben?).

    Offside or no offside? Explanation, please.

    After that situation crucial things for match. Penalty, RC for dogso and so on...

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    1. Oh la la...you are completely right. Mandzukic has become active by that...

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    2. http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch/europe/uefa-champions-league/arsenal-vs-bayern-munich-2
      Video minute 42:00 of the first video.

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    3. Anonymous20/2/14 21:05

      Nope, it's not within playing distance (1/1,5 m).

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    4. Anonymous20/2/14 21:20

      Well, my opinion as neutral football fan is, that Kos is enough good defender, that he can only with his presence disturb opponent good enough, that he can't do perfect move. He maybe can stop the pass and Kos is right there...

      But Mandzukic stopped him, so we can't be sure... But, interesting situation. I am quite young and doing refereeing just for hobby, so I like to hear opinions of better referees.

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    5. Anonymous20/2/14 21:37

      “interfering with play” means playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a team-mate

      “interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball

      “gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball
      I) that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent having been in an offside position
      II) that rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save by an opponent having been in an offside position

      We can exclude first and last option. Mandzukic doesn't clearly obstruct the opponent’s line of vision nor challenge an opponent for the ball within playing distance. Not offside then.

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    6. You are right. It shows how stupid the offside rule is.
      Would you say Koscielny had the chance to reach Robben? Or to reach the ball before Robben would get it? I know the argumentation with <1,5m but I find it extremely hard to call that no offside.

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    7. Anonymous20/2/14 22:05

      We all know that the LoTG are not perfect in some cases, but a referee must simply apply them. Therefore, it's really nice decision reached probably after quick communication. Very well.

      Varuzhan

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    8. Anonymous21/2/14 04:44

      Varuzhan, if you simply apply them, than you can't take this argumentation (1-1,5m). This doesn't exist in LoTG, I think.

      On the other hand, LoTG says something about awarding defending team with indirect free kick, if attacker impedes the progress of opponent (or something).

      You get my point? Sometimes it's just stupid "simply to apply them". Noone does.

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    9. It is an offside.
      Thank you very much for pointing out something we all missed and have opportunity to discuss.

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    10. Anonymous21/2/14 16:00

      No, according UEFA it's not offside. We can discuss about it's right or wrong interpretation, but referee can't allow such thinks himself. He must have applied UEFA interpretations given to referees. And did it well. Blame UEFA for this, not referees. They were right to allow this goal.

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  27. Anonymous21/2/14 09:06

    Concerning the offside flag in min 35: i was in the stadium and could observe that it seemed to be Rizzoli who took the offside decision because he whistled nearly one second before flag was risen by AR1. So there must have been Communication within the team.

    Best regards
    Phil

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