March 10, 2014

Champions League - Round of 16 - Referee Appointments (VI)

UEFA Referee's committee has appointed the  First Category referee Ivan Bebek to handle the clash between Paris Saint-Germain and Bayer Leverkusen. After having been appointed twice in the last weeks in Europa League round of 32, the Croatian official will be at his debut in the KO stage of UEFA Champions League. Furthermore, the French Elite official Stéphane Lannoy will  be the man in the middle at Camp Nou, having been assigned to the second leg of Barcelona - Manchester City clash.

Ivan Bebek, at his debut in the KO phase of UEFA Champions League (c) croatiaweek.com


12 March 2014, 20:45 CET
Camp Nou, Barcelona, Spain
FC Barcelona - Manchester City [2:0]
Referee: Stéphane Lannoy (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Frédéric Cano (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Michael Annonier (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Fredy Fautrel (FRA)
Fourth Official: Laurent Stien (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Luciano Luci (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Christian Schmölzer (AUT)
Blog Referee Observer: Emil Archambault (CAN)

12 March 2014, 20:45 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris, France
Paris Saint-Germain - Bayer Leverkusen [4:0]
Referee: Ivan Bebek (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomislav Petrović (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Miro Grgić (CRO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Domagoj Vučkov (CRO)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Goran Gabrilo (CRO)
Fourth Official: Dalibor Conjar (CRO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Donald McVicar (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: David Findlay (SCO)
Blog Referee Observer: Chefren (ITA)

69 Comments:

  1. Two suprises with two referees not first quality.

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    1. Anonymous10/3/14 11:35

      I disagree, Bebek improved himself very much, he is better then some elite referees I'm sure.

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  2. Anonymous10/3/14 11:32

    I think if this match goes well for Bebek, he is a new elite in August. The other interesting fact that they promoted Borbalan and they gave Cl KO match to first cat referee. Now, it is very possible to see another cat1 referee in Madrid. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sergey Karasev.

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  3. This is the first time ever for a Category 1 referee in CL KO stage, I guess.
    One year ago we had Mazic and Aydinus, but they were still Elite Development referees. Anyway, it was of course a very good and sensitive choice by UEFA, to wait the first leg scores.
    I think that Lannoy is there as a gift, nothing more. The observer is really unimportant.

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    1. Forgot to say: of course, we have a new Elite referee now, Ivan Bebek promoted at the end of this half-season. Now it is sure.

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    2. At first he has to convince McVicar and the committee.
      I remind you on Aydinus who also got a R16 match but was not promoted.

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    3. He can go both ways, IMO. Everything is ready for a promotion, but he must stay error-free until the end of the season. I recall Aydinus had a crucial mistake in Rubin - Chelsea last year.
      I can see Bebek getting a EL QF/SF first leg if he keeps his performances up, similar to Mazic and Aydinus.
      Deserved chance for Bebek, he has fought back from demotion, like Kralovec.
      Lannoy is a safe bet for UEFA, I don't think it's an appoinment with a lot of significance. The observer is an indication, as Chefren pointed out.
      I hope Niclas is right, and Karasev gets a chance. He was really good in the match where I observed him, and other times also.

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    4. Anonymous10/3/14 18:38

      It is interesting to see McVicar since he knows Croatians very well. He is appointed (a few years ago) from UEFA to monitore Croatia applying UEFA convention, he even has been in Croatia few times.

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    5. And in general McVicar is surely a very important observer considering his past observations and what became of the referees observed (Proenca CL final after McVicar in group stage, promotion for Fernández after BVB-MAR in late 2013 as two examples).

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    6. McVicar's long friendship with his longtime colleague Dallas also helps, I guess. It seems as if the most committee members have a right-hand man. Collina with Rosetti, Dallas - McVicar, Uilenberg - Reijgwart, Batta - Layec, the list goes on.

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    7. RE: my first comment "...Lannoy is a safe bet for UEFA..."
      That's a crucial mistake from me! :-/

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  4. Well not totally surprising. I now expect Karasev for RMA:S04.

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  5. Anonymous10/3/14 11:52

    It´s singular that the FCB-City don´t be for one referee selected for Brazil.
    FIFA and UEFA have differents standards.

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  6. Off-topic. Another 2 incidents from Bundesliga. Freiburg – BVB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIHPIJEk6xg

    The handball at 0:42 & and the foul at 1:04. What's your take on these situations?

    IMO the 1st should've been a penalty – that's not a natural position to hold your hands, and the defender clearly went for to block the ball. The 2nd – RC or not? Had it been more in the centre of the field, there wouldn't be any argument – RC.

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    1. Concerning the possible RC, in my opinion your final statement is wrong. There would have been a lot of arguments that back Gagelmann's decision no matter whether it would have been in the centre or at the corner of the penalty area - the attacker was very likely not reaching the ball anymore as the goalkeeper could have got it before him. YC is imo the correct decision.

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  7. Missed penalty IMO, as Lescott's dangling leg catches Messi...

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  8. Anonymous12/3/14 21:02

    Monsieur Lannoy has started his performance with a 7.9, missing a penalty in the early minutes of the game. Messi was fouled in the box. Lannoy was close looking there, but he gave nothing.

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    1. Anonymous12/3/14 21:06

      Second crucial mistake: wrongly disallowed a goal for offside.

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    2. Anonymous12/3/14 22:24

      And now,missed penalty for City.
      Very poor foul detection. I'm soo dissapointed.

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    3. Anonymous13/3/14 11:31

      Lannoy is promoted for years only because he is French (Batta), his achievements were never top, Barcelona - Man City very bad foul detection, two clear penalty not given.It is time that this man will be eliminated.

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  9. Good first half of Bebek. Correct penalty for holding, brave call following the advice of AAR1. Good teamwork not only in this situation, but obvious positioning problems.

    No comment on Lannoy and Cano. Such mistakes are too obvious on this level. We are at a point where UEFA should - like last season - again start to think about their level of refereeing. Way too many mistakes in the world's most important competition, and I say that with all my respect for the referees.

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  10. Anonymous12/3/14 22:22

    Third crucial mistake by Monsieur Lannoy, clear penalty in favor of City, not given. Ready to retirement after this match.

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    1. ...leading to the 2nd YC against Zabaleta. Very disappointing performance by Lannoy & his team. Once again: I do not understand, why he is on that level...

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    2. Anonymous12/3/14 22:26

      One of the worst performances in CL..

      /Ref

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    3. I agree - never been a fan.

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    4. Anonymous12/3/14 22:29

      Poor foul detection,no control, not soo good movement.
      I'm sorry for Mt Lannoy..

      /Ref

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    5. Anonymous12/3/14 22:30

      I would like to know the opinion of Collina about this performance. This was a politic appointment and you can see what happened.
      Said with all the respect for Lannoy, but for now he is not still at this level.

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    6. Anonymous12/3/14 23:07

      Noweee we seee moreeee!

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  11. Second penalty missed...

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  12. Off topic: In anticipation of comments: please keep things respectful.
    On topic: ...

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  13. 4th crucial by Lannoy's team. The goal was offside and maybe also foul...

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    1. It is reported that Cano raised the flag but Lannoy overruled him.
      Don't know why.
      Anyway, I think that now we know the reason for which Lannoy and his team are not at WC.

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    2. This doesn't make it better... ;-)

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    3. Anonymous12/3/14 23:18

      Kompany was onside.

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    4. And the other player? He obstructed the line of sight of the goalkeeper.

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    5. Anonymous12/3/14 23:21

      Three crucial mistakes are enough.

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  14. I have no words.
    Thank God Bebek was very good in Paris. Correct sending off for a blatant dive in the midfield, very good card management...he rescued my evening.

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  15. Anonymous12/3/14 22:46

    I don´t want to attack Lannoy, but honestly: He shows from matchday to matchday that he should not be in elite group...In some matches he is inconsistent in his line, in other matches he has problems with his personality... Especially when matches become more difficult, he doesn´t have the class to control the match (ex. WC10 Brasil-Cote d´Ivoire, CL Milan-Tottenham).
    Sorry that it seems very harsh, but for me it is just true

    best regards
    phil

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    1. Phil, that does not sound harsh, it is even formulated quite diplomatically.

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  16. Anonymous12/3/14 23:14

    Without a doubt this was the final match for mr Lannoy as an Elite referee. He probably will be the first to understand that its time go. But I agree with previous comments let us show respect for ref that didn't reach the Elite level because he was a bad ref. We need more personalities that understand themselves that its time to go and don't wait for the inevitable demotion.

    I congratulate mr. Bebek with an excellent performance. Positioning could be a bit better. His overall match management was outstanding and his foul detection reached almost the perfect level. I predict this will not be his last UCL match this year.

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    1. Bebek why not EL final? If he continues on this level.

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    2. Anonymous12/3/14 23:21

      Mr. Chefren if it is up to you and me we probably agree that he should be a strong candidate. However unfortunately we are not in charge. Both finals will go to WC referees. And there is a point that the clubs in these finals deserve the best referees.

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    3. Well...it was a very good performance, yes, but speaking of a final is way too early. Maybe a SF 1st leg in EL but not more.

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    4. Anonymous12/3/14 23:24

      You forgot that Bebek is still Category 1 on the paper. So it would be at least embarrassing by UEFA, with a big choice of Elite officials that they have.

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    5. Anonymous12/3/14 23:25

      Yes,he is good and shows great improvement. :)
      But my favourites for EL final are Eriksson (i think that someone else will take CL final),Mazic,Skomina,Moen.

      /Ref

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    6. Anonymous12/3/14 23:33

      When I compare recent performances of mr. Bebek and mr. Moen, I have to say there is a big gap in overall performance but maybe even more important a big gap in future potential. Mr Bebek is some one to keep a close eye on.

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    7. Everyone is talking about very good performance of Bebek.
      I didn't watch but I saw some highlights of the game. It's not clear why Emre Can got his 1st yellow card...It's an important card thinking that Can was sent off 16 minutes after that.

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    8. You are right, I have watched a few hours ago this scene. It is difficult to understand why Bebek gave the card.
      The most logical explanation seems that he gave an advantage and then at the next stoppage (another foul) he showed the card. But there is a problem. He didn't any gesture about an advantage given.
      The second explanation could be a YC for complaints, but still, we can't know.
      The third and I hope wrong explanation is that he booked the wrong player, instead of the one who committed the foul.
      It is also very difficult to write about that, since the reason is unknown. To be added that the tackle made by Can was not punishable in my opinion.
      If somebody wants to have his say, go here:
      http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch/europe/uefa-champions-league/psg-vs-bayer-leverkusen
      match minute 52' (second half, of course, the second video player).
      UEFA Match centre was in trouble too, the reason for the card is not reported.

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    9. Anonymous13/3/14 18:03

      Most likely it was dissent by words or action. I think there would be some additional reaction if card would've been issued to wrong player. And Can was not even close to tackle...therefore-dissent IMO

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    10. I can confirm that it was dissent by word or action according to the match report.

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  17. Anonymous13/3/14 07:51

    I did not see any of yesterday's matches but based on what I read I understand that Bebek was very good and Lannoy was not.

    I personally feel strongly for Bebek. It is very easy to get your head hanging and think negative thoughts after a demotion. In fact, he did prove UEFA wrong and this suggests to me that he has a strong mind, in addition to his other qualities. I have only seen him once previously and in that match his fitness was, to be blunt, outstanding. Thus he also made correct decisions almost always and was able to sell them to everyone. It makes me very glad, actually, that he now succeeds so well, and expect him (unless something disasterous would happen later this spring) to move up to the Elite category. Well done mr Bebek!

    Lannoy will leave the FIFA list at newyear, but I wonder whether UEFA will keep him on the elite list after 1 July. I still think they will, however, and this is how I think. Lannoy is from a big country and has a couple of big tournaments in his back pack. Sure we can agree that EURO 2012 probably was the only good tournament for him, but plaese also remember all his injuries. The fact that he has been "up and down" for the last year may very well be attributable to his injuries. I know myself how injuries can disturb your refereeing career. I think that UEFA will consider this and not embarrass him with a last minute demotion. He may not be the ref he used to be, but he should be treated with respect. After the summer break he could be given some UCL and EL matches, and then he leaves quietely at yearend (maybe to become an UEFA observer). So, to sum up: yes, Lannoy is over the hill, but due to his injuries that is understandable. And for UEFA it would be a bit embarrassing to appoint Lannoy to Barca-Man C and then demote him. So I think he will remain an elite referee, unless of course he himself decides to retire this summer.

    /Swedish observer (who now realized that the post got quite long... Sorry for that!)

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    1. Anonymous13/3/14 08:15

      Very good analysis for Lannoy. I think that it would be very harsh to demote him for the last six months. Overall (and not considering only Barcelona - Man City), I think he does not deserve it...

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    2. Anonymous13/3/14 11:44

      I wonder whether UEFA appoint Lannoy on Elite list, okay he is coming from a big country (Plattini president, Batta comitee member) a political decision. Now its enough, but I think this will not be his last UCL match this year. Terrible.

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    3. Anonymous13/3/14 12:15

      We have to understand that the game is about 22 players and the referee team are just facilitators (important ones). I agree that those players on the pitch deserve the very best available referee teams. There is no space for softness and continuation of appointing referees that are not up for the job. As football managers will never select players because they feel sorry for the guy. They will select only the best. Besides that I think it would be embarrassing for Lannoy to leave the international stage with a minor match in some distant country. Yesterdays match should be his farewell match.... not a very good performance but that's all in the game. At least it was a high profile match! I wish him well whatever he decides to do. Regards, RC

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  18. One could also think that he was nervous and disappointed after the missed WC, but of course this doesn't justify him. He had to join the pitch leaving this feeling at home (as probably Kassai did).
    He often appeared very angry to players, having a not good communication with them. Differently from what happened 4 years ago at WC, especially, you remember, in Brazil - Ivory Coast.
    Anyway I agree, there is not a real need to demote him, if UEFA wants still to keep Lannoy on the Elite list they can.
    I imagine something like that:
    1) no further appointments this season
    2) a Europa League play off on August
    3) 2 or 3 CL group stage minor (low profile) matches in the last months of this year

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    1. Anonymous13/3/14 11:52

      Sorry, but the clubs do not deserve to get such a weak a bad and erratic referee. Collina should have consequences.

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  19. Anonymous13/3/14 13:29

    Lannoy has always been very poor. Actually go ahead and tell me the last good referee from France. Like Batta and Lannoy they are all arrogant, thinking that coming from France makes then the best. Sorry, they are the worst...

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    1. Anonymous13/3/14 17:28

      Please... You do not have the right to simplify it like that !
      It is true that Lannoy did a very bad match yesterday, but generally speaking he is not an arrogant referee. First point.
      Second point, don't commit the mistake to think that all the french referees are like Batta. Moreover, he was the man in charge of refereeing in France for 10 years but things have changed this year.
      So maybe we can hope that there will be a change.
      To finish with, don't forget that some talents are emerging from France. Obviously I'm thinking about Turpin but he's not the only one. I think that we have to keep an eye on Bastien...

      But I'm afraid to see sentences like yours: "they are all arrogant", "they are the worst"...

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    2. Anonymous13/3/14 20:25

      And mr. Turpin is doing a great job tonight.Some areas of improvement as expected but so far so go good. I hope they will give him enough time to develop and get experienced. His biggest risk is going to fast in promotion. RC

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  20. Anonymous15/3/14 21:00

    Admin, could you please publish the mark for Lannoy when you get it?
    Many thanks

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    1. Yes! I came here just to see that too!

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    2. In reality or in our report? The first is of course unsure but what is sure is that Lannoy will get no further match this season. The mark in our report is still in progress but won't be higher than 7.0.

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    3. Anonymous17/3/14 12:40

      7.0 is too low. UEFA wont give this mark.

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    4. Are we UEFA? No.
      It might be that they rate him in the 7.5-7.7 area. But we don't have to be dishonest.

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  21. Anonymous16/3/14 23:25

    Is that "sure" in your opinion or based on information from UEFA?

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  22. Anonymous18/3/14 18:01

    Admin, I would like to know what UEFA says in real, but IMO mark shouldn't be higher than 7.4.

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    1. These marks are confidential, I cannot help you here. For sure the committee was everything but satisfied and Lannoy will definitely get no further match this season. This is far more important than a mathematical mark. I guess it will officially be in the 7.2-7.4 area, but I have no concrete information on that.

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  23. Anonymous18/3/14 18:57

    Thank you for the quick answer.

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