June 17, 2014

Discussion About Refereeing at Matchday 6

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GROUP H, Match 15
17 June 2014, 18:00 CET
Estadio Mineirao, Belo Horizonte
BELGIUM - ALGERIA
Referee: Marco RODRÍGUEZ (MEX)
Assistant Referee 1: Marvin TORRENTERA (MEX)
Assistant Referee 2: Marcos QUINTERO (MEX)
Fourth Official: Alireza FAGHANI (IRN)
Standby Assistant Referee: Hassan KAMRANIFAR (IRN)
Blog Referee Observer: Edward (GRE)

GROUP A, Match 17
17 June 2014, 21:00 CET
Estadio Castelao, Fortaleza
BRAZIL - MEXICO
Referee: Cüneyt ÇAKIR (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin DURAN (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarik ONGUN (TUR)
Fourth Official: Svein Oddvar MOEN (NOR)
Standby Assistant Referee: Kim Thomas HAGLUND (NOR)
Blog Referee Observer: Thomas H. (NED)

GROUP H, Match 16
17 June 2014, 00:00 CET
Arena Pantanal, Cuiaba
RUSSIA - KOREA REP.
Referee: Néstor PITANA (ARG)
Assistant Referee 1: Hernán MAIDANA (ARG)
Assistant Referee 2: Juan Pablo BELATTI (ARG)
Fourth Official: Roberto MORENO (PAN)
Standby Assistant Referee: Eric BORIA (USA)
Blog Referee Observer: Philipp (GER)

62 Comments:

  1. Very good decision by Rodriguez, penalty and YC.

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    1. The penalty decision was made easy for Rodríguez by his positioning. He was set up to the left of the 'D', giving him the ideal viewing angle into the holding challenge coming in from the right. If he had followed FIFA's recommendations in going to the right before the penalty area, he would have been looking into the holding from the back, making it much more difficult to see what was going on. Good work so far by Rodríguez, who really looks different to the Rodríguez we saw at the last World Cup...

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  2. Of course, you can expect PRO to support their own. Nevertheless, they seem very, very happy with Geiger's performance: http://www.proreferees.com/blog-brian-hall-on-an-exceptional-performance.php

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    1. I agree with them. 8.5/8.4/8.5 will probably be the marks in the report.

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  3. Through 2.5 matches, it has been a great week for CONCACAF officials.

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    1. Besides the first two matches of the tournament, I think almost all of the referee teams have performed well - let's hope this continues.

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  4. Rodriguez is really, really good. Penalty is spot-on and both YC are mandatory. It is clear to me now that FIFA gave the instruction to delay with YC's as much as possible because another Rodriguez would have 2 more.

    Anyway very good performance until now.

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  5. good job from Mexican refereeing team. best wishes for next game.

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  6. Very good performance from the Mexican referee. Saw the penalty and blew the whistle almost immediately. Also identified correctly all the illegal contact in the air when players were challenging for the ball. Good job.

    In an unrelated note, you got the average mark of Sandro Ricci's team wrong... Looks like you forgot to consider the crucial mistake.

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    1. 7,9 * 0,5 + 8,4 * 0,25 + 8,5 * 0,25 = 8,175 ~ 8,18.

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  7. A word on spray usage:
    Niclas would recall, I was against the use of vanishing spray at first but watching all those MLS games and now the world cup, it looks like a quite useful and entertaining element of the game. Looks like everybody likes it and I'm quite interested in it too. All the amateur players are asking me"ref you didn't bring your spray today?" It's part of the game now :)

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    1. A referee on a game where I was ARing yesterday waved away a penalty appeal. One of the strikers quipped "He should have refereed at the World Cup!" :)

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  8. AR2 missed a quite blatant corner kick (24').

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    1. And AR1 a clear offside.

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    2. According to FIFA.com, AR1 had raised his flag for offside even though the whistle was not audible.
      Good first half, foul detection is at a good level, his calmness works very well in the match. Some technical weaknesses such as backwards movement can be observed. I think it was not that clever to issue a public warning already after 45 seconds in the game.

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    3. But Cakir didn't raise his hand and according to the commentators AR1 didn't raise his flag for offside (11).

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  9. mistake 24-25min. no corner?

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  10. Excellent faul call and YC by AR2 44th min

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  11. Alves had to be booked IMHO, if not for the 1st foul then for the second. I believe his "few and late yellow" policy is no good idea.

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  12. Dark YC missed against Thiago Silva.

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    1. Indeed. I would've been comfortable with a yellow, but some form of card had to be given.

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    2. Good first half by Çakır,missed YC at the beginning of second half..

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    3. And the 4th official is invisible...again. It is the Luis Felipe Scolari circus on the touch line. Twice now have the TV cameras shown him gesturing and yelling at the referee, for decisions that were taken correctly (!) in his favour (!!). It is time for Svein Oddvar Moen to intervene.

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  13. 59min well with a yellow card, but where it is her show? shows the god? or to heaven or somewhere else?
    ugly looks from my side

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  14. Again the same scene of Nishimura penalty at 88'.... :) but in this case excellent Cakir

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  15. Good overall performance by Çakır. Good game control and body language as usual. Correct "play on" in 88 min. Only missed YC in 46th min.

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  16. Right after the game, it was really good game for Cakir. It was not very challenging game... I will write in detail in few minutes...

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  17. 4th officials are very passive in this tournament, arent they?

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    1. Anonymous18/6/14 06:12

      More respectful than passive. This is the world cup, emotions are running high for many team officials. The officials are aware of that, and want to present themselves in a calming manner. The will only take action if the behaviour is nearing irresponsible. From what I have seen this has only occurred once; Mexico v Cameroon.

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  18. Wonderful refereeing. Now Cakir the nearest referee to WC final.

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  19. In hindsight abosolutely the right choice for this match. Cakis understood the passion of both teams. He was completely neutral. Player management excellent. Non verbal communications excellent. Positioning very good. Pysical very good. Teamwork very good. Cardmanagement probably according to WC policy maybe 1 missed. Mark 8.7. Well done Cakir!!

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    1. I cannot agree with that. He totally missed a very nasty studs up foul by Thiago Silva, which I could accept as a YC, but which is actually a RC in my book. The public warning in 1' was a strategical mistake and led to inconsistencies throughout. Furthermore he had problems with backwards movement. Of course he had great control, was a calm, firm and respected authority, sensed the game in many moments and, of course, was completely neutral - what else.
      8.2/8.3 for me, good, but not more.

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  20. IMO the YC for Thiago Silva (79') had to be a RC. Serious foul play, scissors tackle from behind.

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    1. Further of course a good performance by the Turkish team.

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  21. Cakir did well in the game. He was always in control. Good body language, always good with the players...

    24' missed corner kick for Mexico (AR2)
    45' Correct YC to Ramires - Brazil - stopping a promising attack.
    Normal Additional Time for 1st Half - 1 minute
    47' only important mistake in the game - missed YC to Thiago Silva - Brazil
    58' Correct YC to Aguilar - Mexico
    62' A bit soft but correct according to rules - YC to Vazquez - Mexico
    76' Great onside call for AR2 for Brazil
    79' Correct YC for Thiago Silva - Brazil (Actually becomes a important decision - because it might have ended up with RC for him)
    85' Ochoa saved Cuneyt Cakir, if Thiago Silva scored the goal there would be never ending discussions.
    88' Very good play on call by Cakir - no penalty
    Good additional time - 3 minutes
    90+2' Tactical foul maybe YC for Willian - but not necessary, especially for this game.
    Overall good game. To me 8.2 - AR1 8.5 - AR2 8.3

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  22. Well I must be honest, Cakir did an excellent impression. His control in this match was outstanding. We can discuss about the color of a card, his approach in fhe first minutes, some minor mistakes, and other stuff, but for me he got right the most important things. Ending the match without any issue and the rejected penalty appeal. 8.7 seems too much but we are, in my opinion, surely in 8.5 area.
    Furthermore, the leniency is now clearly an instruction by Busacca and the committee, we should "blame" them for that, not the referees...

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    1. I want to add that to me this match seemed a bomb ready to burst, but Cakir was able to manage it until the end, being under a terrific pressure....

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    2. Chefren I must say Cakir is the first to outperform on my expectations. And you are right the match was a bomb ready to burst. But Cakir got the total respect of all the players...

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    3. Chefren, I agree 100 % - for me 8,6 including the missed YC, and the first one I would really like to see in the final... if he continues on that level.
      Rodriguez just good average, many little mistakes, 8,3
      Best wishes from Munich, Andy

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  23. What is really annoying for me is Luiz Felipe Scolari's behaviour and lack of referees' action toward it. This man is one disgrace to fair play. And I feel Cakir fell for this behaviour - very lenient line from the beginning and suddenly two yellow cards for Mexican players near the bench. Coincidence? I strongly doubt it... Why? Scolari's influencing on the referee started in 48' and was continued in 59' and 62' (two latter minutes = yellow cards for Mexican players). Mexican player was demanding a yellow card in 65' and was harshly treated by Cakir while Scolari's same behaviour some minutes earlier remained unpunished in any way. Similar situations had place in BRA-CRO...

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    1. A so experienced referee should be not influenced by a coach on the bench, nevertheless I don't know why fourth officials are so permissive regarding their behaviors, what is your opinion about that?

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    2. Maybe it's because of his name and the team he coaches. You could've seen Roldan warning Mexican referee in MEX-CMR match, but neither Faghani nor Moen warned the boss of Brazil. It's disgusting, we had at least 10 same offences as in 59' and 62' in this game - no one was carded. It's obvious for me that Cakir was influenced by this man... :/

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    3. Well if you asked me to tell you a referee's name who never paid attention to the name of an offender, player he red-carded or coach he sent off, it is definitely Cakir.

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    4. I thought that too, but have totally different impression now...!

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  24. What whistle is Pitana using? Sounds awful...

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  25. Pitana has forgotten FIFA badge. Very strange thing!

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    1. He had one when the game started.

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    2. No he didn't forget it, he have it on his pocket, I think he needs some glue or something, to wear it again.

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  26. The first card by Pitana seems really harsh, I can't detect any contact.

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    1. Agreed. No contact whatsoever.

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  27. The 1-1 scored by Russia seems offside. To be rewatched better.
    Pitana so-so, I'm not totally convinced, not blatant mistakes but many things to be reviewed. Both assistants not faultless....

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    1. I was thinking the same for 1-1 Russia goal but after watching it again I saw that it is not offside.

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    2. You are right, it seems a correct ONSIDE decision, but extremely difficult. Well done by AR2...

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  28. Harsh carding by Pitana, haven't seen a replay of the Koo handball, but seems like a very hard decision. Same for the YC for Shatov. But overall good performance in an easy match.
    BTW: Is every game gonna get a report?

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    1. I didn?t like his communication, which was too aggressive, 2 YC against Korean players were much to harsh - on the other side 1 YC against Korea should have been red! And in the end a clearly wrong Onside decision for Russia, which could easily end in a wrong goal!
      So, all in all, bad average in an easy game, 8,1 - not more in my view!

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  29. Anonymous18/6/14 05:21

    It has been a great world cup for CONCACAF referees so far. Asian referees did very well in 2010. FIFA has certainly done the right thing to break confederation neutrality to appoint European referees only to some important matches. This world cup is a bit similar to 2006 edition in terms of referee appointment. We all know the confederation neutrality was followed strictly for the 2010 edition. I think that best referees should be appointed in the later stages regardless which confederation they come from, because referees should always be regarded as neutral in the first place.

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  30. Super buen trabajo el del árbitro Joel Aguilar Chicas, esperamos que sigas cosechando éxitos!!!

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  31. My thoughts on yesterday:
    Rodriguez performance was quite good, one of the best so far. Correct penalty and correct no foul decision before the 2-1(what the Algerian coach claims to be a foul). He can reach a lot in the tournament, if he continues like that.
    I am not so happy with Cakir's performance. His match control obviously was very good, but I disagreed with several small decisions. Especially his card management was not consistent. And Thiago Silva should have been sent off for a tackling from behind without any chance to play the ball.

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  32. Osses is appointed for Italy - Costa Rica.

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  33. Dear friends. Does anybody here knows why refeeres refused to give yellow cards on tournament. It is incredible for me for example yesterday Cakir he could give 10 yellows but he does not want. Is there any special instruction to referees by fifa can not find anywhere. Thanks in advance for information.

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    1. It's a special FIFA instruction given to referees before the tournament. It's a complete nonsense for me and only victims will be the referees who will come back to their countries and will must face experts' and fans' expactations to not issue yellow cards for obvious reckless challenges while the national FAs could demand something different from refs... Why always FIFA/UEFA/national bodies make fools from referees and fans...?

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