June 19, 2014

Discussion About Refereeing at Matchday 8

Please discuss the matches of Day 8 here!


GROUP C, Match 21
19 June 2014, 18:00 CET
Estádio Nacional, Brasilia
COLOMBIA - CÔTE D'IVOIRE
Referee: Howard WEBB (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Michael MULLARKEY (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Darren CANN (ENG)
Fourth Official: Víctor CARRILLO (PER)
Standby Assistant Referee: Rodney AQUINO (PAR)

GROUP D, Match 23
19 June 2014, 21:00 CET
Arena Corinthians, São Paulo
URUGUAY - ENGLAND
Referee: Carlos VELASCO CARBALLO (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Roberto ALONSO FERNÁNDEZ (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Juan Carlos YUSTE JIMÉNEZ (ESP)
Fourth Official: Alireza FAGHANI (IRN)
Standby Assistant Referee: Hassan KAMRANIFAR (IRN)

GROUP C, Match 22
19 June 2014, 00:00 CET
Estádio das Dunas, Natal
JAPAN - GREECE
Referee: Joel AGUILAR (SLV)
Assistant Referee 1: William TORRES MEJIA (SLV)
Assistant Referee 2: Juan Francisco ZUMBA (SLV)
Fourth Official: Norbert HAUATA (TAH)
Standby Assistant Referee: Aden Marwa RANGE (KEN)

81 Comments:

  1. Anonymous19/6/14 18:53

    not the best Webb today; Mullarkey with big mistake?

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    1. Anonymous19/6/14 19:09

      Mullarkey in the last times has been always not faultless, remember Schalke - Real Madrid too...

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  2. Anonymous19/6/14 18:59

    I'd like to hear your opinions about the corner kick min 21... it seemed to have been taken already - albeit in an atypical way... than Webb asks to retake it. Unusual situation in my opinion.

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    1. Looked to me like a Colombian hand ball off a CIV set play in the second half. The ball struck the forearm.

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  3. Anonymous19/6/14 19:37

    Referees have been told to say to the wall that no arms stretched out. Just before 2-0 there was an incident where Colombia player stretched his arm and the ball hit his arm. No penalty given. Thoughts?

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    1. Webb seems determined not to influence the game by giving out penalties. ;<)

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  4. Anonymous19/6/14 19:39

    your opinion about the handball on the wall? it looked like a deliberate movement by elbow

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  5. I must highlight the beautiful advantage given at 89'. And the caution given out as well!

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    1. Easy decision but credit to Webb for applying the advantage and YC perfectly...also good not to stop play immediately for COL "injuries"

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  6. 4 minutes of added time were given. The game was stopped until 91:00 but Webb whistled the end at 94:17. Furthermore, in my opinion he had to give more tan 4 minutes. Management of added time is still a problem....

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    1. Two persons one thought. :)

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    2. Have to agree on poor time management by a very experienced referee.

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    3. I thought the same thing...it almost appeared as if he wanted to end the game as quickly as possible but of course that is just speculation.

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  7. Good job, the handball was none IMHO. Good advantage + YC, but Arias should have been carded for SPA a few minutes earlier. Also, the additional time should have been enlarged as one minute was spent discussion that mentioned advantage.

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  8. There were two handballs in the wall - one in each half. I think the first was natural hand position, but second should be penalty. But I'm not the ref at WC and didn't hear instructions... One remark - it's very strange to see those gestures toward players in the wall before free kicks and taking different decisions...

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    1. Anonymous19/6/14 20:08

      At what minutes did the two possible handballs occur?

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    2. Sorry for confusion! It was not in the wall and not in the penalty (haven't remembered correctly ;)) 35:50

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    3. this time I agree :) the handball in the wall at second half should be a penalty in my opinion..and agree again in time management. This was not one of the best Webb performances..

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  9. Anonymous19/6/14 20:15

    Howard Webb almost pushed Armero while he was leaving the field, please watch the scene at substitution, unacceptable behaviour by a such experienced official!
    Players can't be touched.

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    1. I watched and there is nothing to exaggerate. He just touched him on the back and tell him to be quick. Don't be so sensitive. Of course players can be touched.

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  10. Just read the Brych report, perfect work! One tiny thing, the RC for URU #16 was issued in 90'+4 and not in 80' as it is mentioned in the Disciplinary sanctions overview on page one.

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  11. The report will be corrected later on..

    I agree with Hubert and CORE REF. 69' was a deliberate handball in the wall, penalty missed. Specially significant since Webb advised the players in the wall repeatedly to not raise their hands as a protection because this would lead to penalties...the first YC was actually unnecessary, too. 7.9 (8.3) for me. Mullarkey with lots of good calls but one clear missed offside leading to a goal-scoring chance - 8.3, Cann 8.4.

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    1. Yes, the card for Zokora was unnecessary and Ivorian will miss the next match...

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  12. Carlos VELASCO CARBALLO
    start wistle with Valken

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  13. Am I wrong or did Muslera commit a double contact with the ball in 2:10-2:20? (Indirect free-kick in the penalty area missed?)

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  14. 100% 2nd YC missed. Tactical + elbow/forearm into the neck.

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  15. 9min good desicion YC for hand
    min? mised second YC for Godin
    39min no offside (i think) and goal.

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  16. Mediocre so far. YC to Caceres and maybe a second YC for Godin missed + one corner kick for England too.

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  17. good impression in the first half of the first half, then minor mistakes in foul detection and missed 2nd YC for URU 3, so a bit inconsistent (did not notice the double contact), good onside call(s), good player management.

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  18. 2 clearly missed yellow cards in a row now, dangerous tackles with stretched legs / studs to the front.

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    1. I have came here being curious whether someone posted a comment about it. :) Totally agree, Carballo has no real control in this match... Now it was nearly red card for Gerrard...

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    2. And another clear yellow card missed...

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  19. Anonymous19/6/14 22:35

    no penalty, correct decision

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  20. Anonymous19/6/14 22:43

    Suarez - at least 1m offside.

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    1. Last touch came off Gerrard...

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    2. Anonymous19/6/14 22:52

      Sorry, my mistake.

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    3. the long ball was headed on by a Uruguayan and deflected off Gerrard - Suarez was in an offside position when the ball was last played by a team mate, and thus an offside offence was committed - a game changing error n my view. There's no way that Gerrard could deliberately attempt to play the ball after it was played by the attacker.

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    4. Not offside.
      Excellent work of Velasco Carballo.

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  21. Well this card management is just unacceptable if you ask me, please watch the foul at 85:50. NO CARD?

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    1. Nothing to add. This WC is parody in this regard!

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  22. Anonymous19/6/14 22:46

    Velasco Carballo with a great game, very good onside call from 2nd assistant (maybe with the help from velasco) touch came off Gerrard, hard to notice, but got it spot on!

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  23. sometimes or too often it seems that Velasco Carballo whistles fouls where aren't fouls and whistles no fouls although there are ones. Missed at least two YCs (55', 86'), Correct YC for ENG 4, of course no penalty (61'), good no penalty (77'), very good onside call.

    As for Webb, he too often allowed the colombian goalkeeper to hold the ball irregularly long. Missed handball, but still overall a good performance.

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  24. Man Busacca's "Late and Few YCs" policy is really annoying. I can't believ ethat Carballo, AFAIK a referee who tends to give more cautions, only issues two YCs. Baines and Welbeck (streched leg) and Gimenez (two footed tackle) HAD to be booked, Gerrard was close to SFP. I understand that they don't want 6+ cards in a match but you can't force fair games.

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  25. Urs Meier has stated that Godín should have been sent off for DOGSO in 9' (handball) and sent off with a 2nd YC later on for the elbow.
    I only agree with the 2nd.
    For me 7.8 (8.1) maximum. He started very well (until the missed 2nd YC), but totally failed in controlling the match on a disciplinary level later on. Good rejected penalty appeal though.

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    1. Agree with you. You're German aren't you? Just watched and heard the same on the ZDF.
      Good no penalty calls, but both were quite clear.

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    2. I didn't want to lean out (again), but now I can say that it was straight red card for DOGSO for me too!

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    3. I don't think it is a CLEAR gso. It is not obvious. A YC is mandatory and RC would be very very harsh in this occasion.

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  26. Anonymous19/6/14 23:04

    you are criticizing Vellasco Carballo, but you said that mazic does a good match, come on (sorry for my bad english)

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    1. So where is the problem with this? Different matches, different opinions...

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    2. Anonymous20/6/14 00:26

      What's the problem with Velasco Carballo?? Compared to Mazic's horrible work, we can say Velasco is a candidate to officiate the WC final!

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    3. There seem to be people who cannot place a comment without mentioning this one referee with 5 letters...

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  27. What happened tonight with Velaso Carballo? Is this terrible performance the result of the confusing line given by Busacca? Even regarding the appointments, FIFA should really think about s.o. else doing that job in future!!!
    Velasco today after begin with 3 given fouls, which weren?t and 1-2 missed fouls in the first 30 minutes, but it came much worse -
    I do agree that the YC for hand (Godin) was enough, but the 2nd YC after harsh foul is a clear must...
    2nd half a clearly missed YC Wellback (foul against URU keeper),
    1 min. later clear YC missed (foul Baines),
    then missed YC Sterling,
    good advantage 69th minute but afterwards should show YC URU-player
    clearly missed YC Jimenez foul against Rooney (85.)
    No match control - I was really fearing things ending in a catastrophe, but thx to the players we had a good end for this match
    I do not remember a referee who normally never has THOSE problems with matchcontrol (only with foul detection s.t.) giving SUCH a bad performance, FIFA should really make a round table with the referees and here what THEY say!

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    1. In addition he signalled for at least 5 minutes of added time, and blew the whislte at 5:03. In that 5 minutes the keeper took 31 seconds and 35 seconds to take goal kicks, despite being directed by the referee to get on with it. This was deliberate time wasting and the referee allowed the keeper full benefit for his actions. The end of a poor day on the field.

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  28. Early card by Aguilar, very good decision...

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  29. 2YC in my eyes correct. He does not hit the ball and stops an attack.

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    1. #21 was lucky not to be sent off (RC) already in 27' - nasty studs-tackle against the calf.

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    2. Yeah, nasty foul. He had it coming. Nice to see that Aguilar is not so lenient as other referees. And quite a change in comparison to his first game, where a similiar fouls (Mascherano x2) were twice not carded.

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  30. Solid, but he missed a foul on Okazaki and an assistant flagged Gekas wrongly offside, which would have been quite a chance.

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  31. Maybe Aguilar got different instruction before the match to overshadow that ultra-leniency showed by Velasco Carballo?

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    1. Anonymous20/6/14 01:02

      I hope Busacca wont send him home just for this sending off in first half!

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    2. Ehm no. Aguilar was already at the stadium in Natal when Velasco went into half-time.

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    3. Some people could've played a role of 'liaison officer' between committee and refs (in example, delegate), but this is only a conspiracy theory. :)

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  32. Referees from CONCACAF are the best so far! Surprise.

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  33. Aguilar did well. Not very well, there were some wrong decisions (foul detection), but overall good performance. The match was quite normal, with Greece defending for 60 minutes. All cards were correct.

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  34. I want to see a referee who gets not criticized by Urs Meier....

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    1. there is one: Himself! :-)
      12. Min. YC Hasebe harsh, but o.k.
      38. Min 2nd YC'YellowRed totally correct and necessary
      46. Min. heavyily wrong offside decision against Gekas
      2nd half he lost his clear line a bit, some little mistakes, but all in all a "good average" performance.

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    2. Yes, that is true. :) But he was not perfect either.
      Agree with all your points. My marks would be 8.2 (Aguilar + AR) and 7.9 for the assistant with the wrong offside call against Gekas.

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    3. A missed offside, if not leading directly to a goal, is not a crucial mistake. -0.1/0.2, normally.

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    4. Are you sure, Emil? We were teached differently. I and Niclas got the info that Erwin Zeinstra received 7.9 for his offside call in Montenegro - Poland quali. And there the consequence was no penalty that normally should've been given. Some other sources told me that assistant's mistake leading to a DOGSO = 7.9...

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    5. Exactly Hubert, you can see the difference. In POL-MNE, there was a penalty kick impeded by the offside flag. In 45+1', it was level (head of Gekas and 2nd last defender), Gekas had to take the ball with his chest and therefore it went towards the goalline with a poor scoring or even passing angle. -0.1, not more.

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    6. BTW.
      Please watch 23:05 (match minute). Studs were almost kicked onto the calf. By book, that should be a certain colour.
      http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch/world/world-cup/japan-vs-greece

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    7. Ouch. It's a red card by book and at least yellow card in the match :/

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  35. By the way, here you can find the most important moments for disciplinary control by Carlos Velasco Carballo. Not every decision included in those videos is wrong, but it's interesting point for discussion I think:

    http://sedziapilkarski.pl/forum-sedziowskie/topic/urugwaj-anglia

    Regards!

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  36. Michael Kempter20/6/14 04:23

    what a horrible performance from this Joel Aguilar.
    and a lot of the referees give to short additional/stoppage time. this is a big talking point I think. like this Sandro Ricci from Brazil in the france-honduras match in the first half, only 3 minutes.
    Howar Webb is the best, FIFA should give him the FINAL again.

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    1. Anonymous20/6/14 11:52

      That doesn't make any sense, Webb gave only 4 mins (should've been 5 or 6) to 2nd half last game and firs minute was wasted completely and finished the game off at +4.10. And he's not going to get another final after what happened last time, I personaly think he shouldn't even be here, Clattenburg should be.

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  37. Anonymous20/6/14 05:11

    I've heard that FIFA has taken a position on trick corner kicks, to disallow them, as Webb did. Do you guys have more information on this? I see it once in a while and did not know that it was to be disallowed.
    Thank you for the great blog, excellent source of information for us non-professional refs.Love to read the match reports.

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  38. Anonymous20/6/14 11:43

    The performance from Aguilar was indeed horrible. I can`t believe how anybody here can say that Aguilar did well. He has absolutely no acceptance and authority by the greek players....Karagounis allways plays with him...There were passages during the game where i feel sorry for Aguilar. Every referee in Germany in 4th oder 5th divison would have had a better personality than Aguilar in this match. If he gets a deciding match than good night....I think we have to regognice that we can`t compare referees like for example Brych, Rizzoli, Webb wirth Augilar from El Salvador and for example Haimoudi from Algeria....this ist another refereeing world. If the performance from Brych was a 7,9 than nobody can have the idea to give Aguilar a 8,2....we are speking form Referees that skills especially in match control und personality are so much away like the moon from the earth

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    1. Dear readers, especially from Europe: After we`ve seen very bad performances by Rizzoli and Velasco, we should not repeat the old prejudices against 3rd-world-referees here!!!
      Sure Aguilar had better matches in the past - but he was not SO bad and the Japanese players weren`t those helpless victims of the big bad Greeks. As I argued after the Japanese match in 1st round, itt easy to lead games of asian teams against "big" Europeans or Africans (Osses did that quite well!).
      But I wonder why FIFA doesn`t organize an exchange of referees between for instance Africa/Asia/Middle America with Europe for Championsleague or national matches to give more possibilities to gain experience with different philosophies of play and styles in other parts of the world. Little countries with financial problems could get the money for that exchange by FIFA! And for big tournaments it would be easier to find a "coomon line"...
      What do you think? Why not Irmatov, Gassama in European Champions League and Clattenburg or Eriksson in Africa/ Asia?

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  39. Anonymous20/6/14 21:48

    I think that Velasco Carballo was very good last night. He decided very well on what was punishable and what was not. Good speed and often close to play. But, and this is a very big but, he failed to produce the many mandatory yellow cards in this match. In the end the mark can't be good, but not very bad either. I wouldprobably end up with 8,0 in a very difficult match. I can't see him after the group stage, to be honest.

    /Swedish observer

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