June 20, 2014

Discussion About Refereeing at Matchday 9

Please discuss the matches of Day 9 here!



GROUP D, Match 24
20 June 2014, 18:00 CET
Arena Pernambuco, Recife
ITALY - COSTA RICA
Referee: Enrique OSSES (CHI)
Assistant Referee 1: Carlos Alexis ASTROZA (CHI)
Assistant Referee 2: Sergio ROMÁN (CHI)
Fourth Official: Néant ALIOUM (CMR)
Standby Assistant Referee: Djibril CAMARA (SEN)

GROUP E, Match 25
20 June 2014, 21:00 CET
Arena Fonte Nova, Salvador
SWITZERLAND - FRANCE
Referee: Björn KUIPERS (NED)
Assistant Referee 1:Sander VAN ROEKEL (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin E. J. ZEINSTRA (NED)
Fourth Official: Svein Oddvar MOEN (NOR)
Standby Assistant Referee: Kim HAGLUND (NOR)

GROUP E, Match 26
21 June 2014, 00:00 CET
Arena Da Baixada, Curitiba
HONDURAS - ECUADOR
Referee: Benjamin WILLIAMS (AUS) 
Assistant Referee 1:Matthew CREAM (AUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Hakan ANAZ (AUS)
Fourth Official: Yuichi NISHIMURA (JPN)
Standby Assistant Referee: Toru SAGARA (JPN)

86 Comments:

  1. Anonymous20/6/14 18:06

    What a missed YC...

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    1. Anonymous20/6/14 18:10

      Sorry to say, but what in the name of ... is happening? Yesterday several YC missed, now already another very very clear one!

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    2. Anonymous20/6/14 18:55

      It seems to me that a clear trend is not to show yellow cards early for fouls. This seems to be a directive by Busacca. But players adapt and know that even quite nasty fouls don't lead to early yellows.

      /Till

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  2. Are they using the same LOTG that the rest of us do? That has to be a caution in the 6'.

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  3. Anonymous20/6/14 18:46

    no penalty for Costa Rica ! Crucial mistake !

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    1. Anonymous20/6/14 18:49

      It seemed to me Osses was too far away to judge the situation...

      From the side view it seemed a clear push from Chielini

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  4. Anonymous20/6/14 18:47

    Well, last match for Osses... Crucial mistake, missed a penalty for Italy. Also problems with card management.

    For the second time, goal technology helps a referee.

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    1. Anonymous20/6/14 18:49

      penalty for Costa Rica, not for Italy

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  5. Enrique Osses uses his whistle excessively, when he needs to use his whistle in the most crucial call of the game, he just points the center. What a joke this guy is, in terms of whistle use...

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  6. Puuh...I don't want to criticize a lot, but here: Missed YC at 6' (blame Busacca?), the no penalty call is IMHO not totally wrong, but in comparison to the FRA-HON penalty it is a clear penalty. Plus some errors at the foul detection, best example the last free kick for Italy.

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  7. Well I think that it was penalty and red card. Chiellini not interested in the ball, he pushed the opponent just to avoid the OGSO. It is difficult to accept the decision to wave on, luckily a few later Costa Rica scored, but still Italy gained an advantage being still in 11 men.

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  8. Can things in this Cup for the referees go worse... Osses prooves, they can. Unbelievable!
    Clear YC CORI misssed 5th min.
    9th min. wrong off.foul ag. Balotelli
    25th min questionable offside call ag. Balotelli
    27 mun no reaction by Osses, when CORI player blocks free kick of Pirlo from 2 ! meters
    36 min, Foul de Rossi against junior Diaz, Osses whistles the opposite
    and finally a clear penalty by Chiellini ag. Campbell.
    A catastrophe!

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    1. Osses not perfect but neither one catastrophe.
      Balotelli always simulation.

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  9. Very challenging match for AR2 Roman, he got some calls right, other ones wrong. But overall still ok...

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  10. Anonymous20/6/14 19:05

    Osses is several times far from the situation (i.e. the penalty situation, counters of Italy). That is in my view the reason he waved on with the penalty situation as the distance was more than 30m,

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  11. Anonymous20/6/14 19:07

    47': penalty missed, Balotelli was fouled, the opponent never touched the ball, but very difficult to see.

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  12. Final whistle 20 seconds prior to the end (93:41). No reasons...

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    1. I'm sorry, but this is just stupid. Why finish 20 seconds earlier? It's a bad bad example to the rest of the world.

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  13. Well, a lot of difficult scenes for the ARs, mostly correct. The foul detection was inconsistent. The scene with Balotelli was no penalty for me, little contact. The added time was one minute too long, still not ok to whistle 20 seconds earlier. Mediocore at the best (7.8).

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  14. I fully agree with CWY2190. FIFA give their referees strange instructions which contradict LoTG and instructions existing in every other (con-)federations. That's very unfair with respect to national category referees. Most of people watch this World Cup and then will expect the same approach from national referees, what would be impossible taking into account instructions given by national federations... This World Cup is totally mismanaged in terms of refereeing!

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  15. Anonymous20/6/14 20:20

    CONMEBOL referees at it again

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  16. Well now Uruguay-Italy becomes a very important match. The winning team will qualify. Applying the confederations rule, referees from CONCACAF/OFC/AFC/CAF can be appointed here. I don't think that Irmatov will officiate again Italy after his mistake in Confederations Cup, so the referee for this match could be Marco Rodriguez from CONCACAF There aren't many other different choices.
    On the other side, Costa Rica - England will be important only for Costa Rica (they can become winner of the group) while England is already home. Here, there can be many names, and why not Nishimura.

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    1. I agree on Nishimura on this match, if he doesn't get an earlier assignment prior to date.

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    2. Anonymous20/6/14 20:39

      Hi Chefren,

      taking into consideration that we will have to see some referees for the third time during the group stage, I expect Mark Geiger to be one of them, maybe even at Italy - Uruguay instead of Marco Rodriguez.

      Kind regards from Vienna,
      Peter

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    3. Hi Peter, do you have a reliable source for that? I think that all referees will stay with not more than 2 matches in group stage.

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    4. Rodriguez is going to be at two matches before Uruguay-Italy.

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    5. Anonymous20/6/14 20:56

      Hi Chefren,

      I do not have any reliable sources for that but we have 48 matches in the group stage that have to be handled by 25 referees with two of them not having been considered on the first two matchdays. I do not think that Bakary Gassama and Nawaf Shukralla will get one match each and all the remaining 23 referees exactly two during the group stage.

      Kind regards from Vienna,
      Peter

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  17. Let's put it this way: The assistant referees weren't that bad...

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  18. well, Chefren, you`re right, after the 2nd half all in all bad average - thanks to Osses` well-doing linesmen - bit in the end he seemeeeed to loose match-control again. I am just disappointed, cause I`ve sen him so much better many times...

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  19. Rodriguez is for me candidate nr 1 for Uruguay-Italy. But it will depend on his second performance at Belgium-Algeria.

    I think Erikson is a serious option for Uruguay-Italy too, despite of the confederations rule. The confederation rule is less important than appointing a very good ref.

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  20. Anonymous20/6/14 20:55

    Eriksson or Webb for URU-ITA, in my view. A safe pair of hands is needed, and we know from last night that FIFA can see beyond the confederation neutrality rule.

    /Swedish observer

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    1. Can Webb be a serious option with England in the same group?
      It could be (England is out), but i don't think it is going to happen.

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    2. Anonymous20/6/14 21:39

      Blushing a bit now... Forgot that England is in the same group!

      /Swedish observer

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  21. Mandatory YCs for Giroud (7') and Debuchy (12') IMO.

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    1. Anonymous20/6/14 21:18

      Well, again this seems the standard in this tournament. I don't think we can blame Kuipers for that, only the committee.

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    2. 7min for me YC but not RED

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  22. Anonymous20/6/14 21:13

    What are you thinking about foul from Djourou against van Bergen? For me at least a yellow card, red also possible.
    André

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    1. Anonymous20/6/14 21:35

      Compared to the red card Nani received for a high boot this was as clear red as it could be.

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  23. Anonymous20/6/14 21:31

    Kuipers ready for WC final. Impressive.

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  24. Correct penalty, but these two yellows had to be issued. Otherwise fine.

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  25. Anonymous20/6/14 21:52

    This leniency is enough for me. Thanks for watching all those crap-refereed games! Utterly abysmal Massimo Busacca!

    ~Jorge

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  26. Thanks to the dutch WC broadcaster we can see all important situations from different camera's which you can choose yourself in the app on your tablet.

    I've seen the situation with Giroud and von Bergen and it was a unlucky collision. You can see clearly that Giroud is only looking for the ball and doesn't know Von Bergen is coming. So I understand and support the no YC.

    Penalty is good detected and no YC also very good.

    Impressive decission from AR2 Zeinstra after the penalty. The 2nd attempt to make a goal after the missed penalty was difficult, because of the high speed of play, goalkeeper not being the last defender but the 2nd last and 2 attackers from France close to eachother. Very good decission for no offside of France #3.

    Overall a very good first half. Let play develop itself and is not to strict or harsh.

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    1. Anonymous20/6/14 22:03

      Dutch lobbying.

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    2. Anonymous, if you have arguments i'm willing to listen. It's no lobbying since I hope that the Dutch soccerteam will be in the final :)

      I compare the Giroud situation with the situation in the WC10 Final between Alonso and De Jong. That was a red card since he could see the player. This situation tonight was very unlucky.

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    3. Anonymous20/6/14 22:14

      Unlucky or not. You are responsible for where your put your feet. There is always a risk to put the boot that high.

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    4. Specialy for anonymous ;): Missed YC in 75min for suisse #15. That one was mandatory in my point of view to keep it fair the rest of the match and to turn down the frustration.

      A high foot is always a risk, but not immediatly a YC

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    5. Anonymous20/6/14 23:06

      High foot hitting in the face is always at least YC.

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    6. Anonymous21/6/14 09:09

      Sorry Fidje, I have to support my anonymous colleague.
      Giroud has his feet in an area where you are normally playing the ball with the head. Even if Giroud is only lookig for the ball it is for me always at least a yellow card (reckless play) and I think also a red one is possible in this situation.

      André from germany

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  27. My impressions after the first half:

    YC in min '7 should have been given, although it was difficult to judge. It was an unfortunate collision, but it was too careless to let it go.

    Not showing a YC in min '12 is in line with the policy of the tournament. Correct decision I think.

    I do have doubts about the disallowed goal by Switzerland. The Suisse player in the middle was definitely offside, but the goalscorer too? I saw only one replay, but it was pretty close to me. But probably a good call, no one is complaining here about that situation :-)

    Penalty was clear, good decision not showing a YC.

    Good on-side decision in the situation just after the missed penalty.

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    1. Anonymous20/6/14 22:16

      One missed corner after a Lloris save.

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    2. That one I have doubts about it as well. Can't find a camera straight in line. It looked to that the arm is offside. Since that doesn't count for the judgement you would say he is onside. But it hard to see.I give van Roekel, unless proven otherwise, the advantage. I have a screenshot but can't upload it here.

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  28. Anonymous20/6/14 22:30

    Very good decision by Van Roekel with the 0-4; no offside. The first shot after the disallowed goal proves to me it was offside, world class call.

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  29. Dzemali did 2 worse tackles from behind, no card for him and Cabaye comes and makes a softer tackle, boom YC. Very inconsistent for these two incidents.

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    1. Anonymous20/6/14 22:53

      I really can't explain thjis card policy. Cabaye will miss the next match, he looked for the card. FIFA should do something, this is a shame!

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  30. Anonymous20/6/14 22:55

    And again the referee blew before the added time was over. This time it costed Benzema a goal.

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  31. Well, good performance, carding however not good. Giroud (7'), Debuchy (12'), Dzemaili (76') and Sissoko (87') should have been carded, the only for Cabaye (his 2nd also) completely out of consistency.

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    1. Howard. Since the match was over Kuipers strategy looked to avoid giving cards and use his personality. He waited than for two similar foules and afterwards Cabaye was the unlucky one to be the first to make a foule after that and received a YC.

      So there was a kind of consistency, only he adjusted it to late in my opion. As mentioned above I would've preffered to book Dezemaili in '76 to avoid the foules later on and let everybody cool down.

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    2. It would be consistent if he and cautioned Dzemaili when he was telling him he did this many fouls.

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    3. Maybe, but I still believe that at least Giroud (dangerous/reckless play that led to a serious injury of the opponent), Dzemaili (SPA) and Sissoko (tactical foul + blocking a free kick by holding the opponent) HAD to be carded. In the later two cases it weren't even the first fouls. No big mistakes, but wrong decisions IMHO.

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  32. Anonymous20/6/14 22:56

    Good job for team Kuipers tonight in a normal, or possibly even easy, match. Missed a clear yellow card early in the match on Giroud. Apart from that they were spot on. 8,3-8,4 in my view. Not more since we must admit that this was not a difficult match.

    But of course he is on track for more games in this tournament!

    /Swedish observer

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  33. Plus the not given goal for Benzema. Whistling of in the attack, not acceptable.

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    1. The end whistle was exactly at 93:00. The pass to Benzema wasn't given at that time. It was about to be played in the end tone of the whistle. So that is no problem.

      I would rate it 8.2. Did what expected. + the penalty - card tactics in the 2nd half.

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    2. Ok, I thought that the pass/cross was already given at the point of the whistle. I'll trust you. ;)

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    3. Anonymous20/6/14 23:21

      I don't know when exactly Kuipers whistled, but I can imagine how it would be if the score was 0-0...

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    4. There is always one team on the attack... Just bad luck for France that they were in the vicinity of the Swiss penalty area. According to the LOTG? Yes. Clever? No although it could be a decisive decision for the Swiss, when goal difference is needed after the last matches...

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  34. To my opinon Kuipers at 8.3/8.4 level. I dont have a clue anymore about mandatory cards but I cant blame Kuipers for that.

    AR 1 and 2 wordclass with all difficult calls correct. Brilliant! Both 8.6.

    Regards RC

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  35. besides the missed YC for very dangerous play Kuipers - well, stayed Kuipers, as we know him. 12th min. clear YC for tact.foul - missed, 76th min. YC Inler - missed and in the end Kuipers shows a YC to proof rthat he hadn`t left it in the cabin - 89th min. - and this YC wasn`t necessary at all.
    BUT - good personality, perfect foul detection, good teamwork, good communication, and 100 % game control. Kuipers stays, as he is... and it`s clear we`ll see him again in the preliminaries.
    URU-ITA: For me clearly Rodriguez to app.
    But who gets KRO-MEX, could be difficult and challenging. Doue? Irmatov?
    For Shukrallah and Gassama, cause they obv. get only 1 easy match for learning (I would have loved to see all !! 25 33rdteammembers on same level of confidence! - and would have wished that Faghani gets a match, too, big talent!) there will be AUS-ESP and CORI-ENG, I guess.
    And now good luck to Williams.

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  36. Honduras asked for a penalty similar contact to the one occurred in France-Honduras, when Ricci whistled a penalty for a foul on Pogba.

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  37. Interesting situation at the end of first half. AR2 missed a offside but luckily the goal was annulled because the player in offside scored by a deliberate hanbdall.

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  38. Williams did issue a good and needed YC early, but missed one for Noboa (24') for a similiar issue. I have to agree with Chefren, the scene between Paredes and Costly could have been a penalty, IMHO there was not much difference between this scene and the foul Palacios vs Pogba.
    The handball was not really deliberate for me, so a YC was quite harsh.

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    1. I fully agree, but a YC is mandatory when a goal is scored by that. Of course, if not intentional, no whistle. But having whistled, Williams was forced to dot that. The offside was anyway quite blatant, important mistake by AR2..

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  39. Missed penalty for Ecuador at 58', tackle hitting the leg of the opponent... very difficult to evaluate but crucial msitake.

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  40. First of all thanks for agreeing with me, I remember we had quite some difficulties (my fault) at the last Honduras game.
    If the YC is mandatory than it is of course correct, I just seemed a little bit hard to give a YC for something he did not intend. The offside position was close, but nonetheless an error by the AR.
    Watched the penalty scene four times now, contact is there, so a penalty would not have been wrong. I believe he decided against it because Caicedo did not fall immediately.
    Cards for Valencia (foul) and Valencia (kicking away the ball) correct. However, quite harsh at the standards of this tournament. Noboa commited the third larger foul now, still no YC.

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  41. Puuh, scene Erazo vs Costly (77'): Your thoughts?

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    1. Another controversial situation, well... one can (should) whistle in this case.
      I agree also on your analysis about the previous situation, Williams didn't whistle due to Ciacedo behavior. He fell too late, but the replay showed that there was a contact, clear contact with the leg.

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    2. Yes, contact is there. I would have whistled the penalty for Honduras, as he pulls him down. But I'm slightly pro-HON, so I don't want to judge.

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  42. BTW: What was the reason for the card for Montero? Foul, kicking the ball away or the altercation with Costly?

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  43. In my opinion, wrong decision to whistle a handball at 90'+2, then Ecuador scored. For me, never intentional...

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    1. Anonymous21/6/14 02:23

      This is a 50-50 call, can go either way, IMO not wrong decision.

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  44. A little bit similiar to the scene just before half time. However, this one seemed even more unintentional and therefore: wrong.

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  45. Overall.... not very good. Three penalty scenes, the handball at the end, somehow inconsistent card selection. A lot to discuss, but I think Williams will get a unimportant round three match at best.

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  46. Anonymous21/6/14 02:27

    A difficult game for Williams to referee, quite a lot of 50-50 call for him to make. There are a number of decisions that can easily go the other way, but they are not definitely wrong either.

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  47. It was the wrong decision in the championship until now, but most stupid decision was Benzema disallowed goal. What nonsense. I can not believe it. Disappointing.

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    1. Anonymous21/6/14 12:57

      He whistled at 93.00 exactly and it was claearly audiable. He whistled even before the pass was sent! Not the best choice, but time is time. When you give 3min extra and nothing extraordinary happens you don't have to give 15sec. extra to finish an attack! No mistake for me! Only a few cards missed, but overall Kuipers did the best job of the 3 refs yesterday I think. Williams with at least one missed penalty kick, I think he missed 2 or 3, and Osses wasn't that good too..... Van Roekel and Zeinstra were worldclass yesterday at least 8.6, for me higher. Both had really difficult decisions to make and made then perfectly IMO. If Netherlands doesn't reach quarterfinals we've got a safe pair of hands for a semifinal/ final now IMO
      DD

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    2. Anonymous21/6/14 13:22

      It seems that referees have become reluctant to award penalties.

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  48. OT: It seems that Shukralla will be the referee of the fundamental Aus-Esp ;)

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