June 21, 2014

Discussion About Refereeing at Matchday 10

Please discuss the matches of Day 10 here!


GROUP F, Match 27
21 June 2014, 18:00 CET
Estadio Mineirao, Belo Horizonte
ARGENTINA - IRAN
Referee: Milorad MAŽIĆ (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Milovan RISTIĆ (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Dalibor ĐURĐEVIĆ (SRB)
Fourth Official: Norbert HAUATA (TAH)
Standby Assistant Referee: Aden Marwa RANGE (KEN)

GROUP G, Match 29
21 June 2014, 21:00 CET
Estadio Castelao, Fortaleza
GERMANY - GHANA
Referee: Sandro RICCI (BRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Emerson DE CARVALHO (BRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Marcelo VAN GASSE (BRA)
Fourth Official: Víctor CARRILLO (PER)
Standby Assistant Referee: Rodney AQUINO (PAR)

GROUP F, Match 28
21 June 2014, 00:00 CET
Arena Pantanal, Cuiaba
NIGERIA - BOSNIA & HERZEGOVINA
Referee: Peter O'LEARY (NZL)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Hendrik HINTZ (NZL)
Assistant Referee 2: Mark RULE (NZL)
Fourth Official: Roberto MORENO (PAN)
Standby Assistant Referee: Eric BORIA (USA)

88 Comments:

  1. Easy match so far. However, several errrors:
    1) For my taste, YCs had to be issued (IRN 1' and ARG 45'+2). But ok. Agüeros frustration-fuelled demolition of the corner flag deserved a YC for unsporting behaviour for me (25').
    2) Missed handball by Teymourian.
    3) One case of suboptimal positioning, the ball hit him and stopped an attack.

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    1. Anonymous21/6/14 19:58

      Agree with you Howard, but beware, they're gonna call you Portuguese :) Some people here are just witless.

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  2. Anonymous21/6/14 19:16

    obviously penalty ! one more crucial mistake from Mazic !

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    1. Anonymous21/6/14 19:17

      Indeed!

      Taylor S

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  3. Anonymous21/6/14 19:17

    Mazic looks so insecure. What is going on with him in the WC? Nerves?

    The missed penalty in min '53 could be the end for him in this tournament.

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    1. Anonymous21/6/14 19:19

      Mazic should be at home already! What a blunder not to have awarded Iran this clear penalty (min 53)

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    2. Anonymous21/6/14 19:23

      Why should he be at home already?
      His first match wasn't really convincing but not bad at all.

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    3. Anonymous21/6/14 19:26

      Not bad at all? Ok, we're not talking about the same stuff. I'm referring to POR-GERM in which he missed an enormous penalty in favor of Portugal like he did today playing havoc with Iran.

      Been there, done that!

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  4. Anonymous21/6/14 19:30

    About penalty decision.
    -There is contact,but defender played the ball first.
    But it was corner not goal kick.

    Waiting for answers from reliable visitors.
    PS someone here use my ID name...

    RefRef

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    1. Anonymous21/6/14 19:35

      Even if he touch the ball first he can't just take out the player like that. And no corner given means he didn't see the touch...

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    2. Touching the ball first doesn't mean it is not foul and penalty. What Zabaleta did was careless behavior plus his right leg was abnormally raised and the left leg also touched Dejaga. Touching the ball first is not foul in the case the defender is not careless, reckless and using excessive force.

      The scenario can be seen this way, too. Zabaleta touched the ball but Dejaga was still in control of the ball, if Zabaleta's leg was on the ground Dejaga could just jump and continue playing, but the leg was abnormally raised and it was foul in the later scene when Dejaga was attempting to regain the ball.

      Finally, sliding tackles law caused many fallacies in refereeing. You can see players arguing they touched the ball first several times during a game. Again, touching the ball first does not allow a player to do what he wants to afterward.

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  5. Who is writing the report on Mazic? 'Blog referee observer' is still empty (see post on Match appointments for matches 27-29)

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    1. And also... What about the first report on Mazci, GER-POR?

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    2. The report's sent. As it was a game with many key situations, there is a lot to discuss before it is uploaded. It should be uploaded soon.

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  6. Anonymous21/6/14 19:33

    Again interfering with the play at 75'.

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    1. First time stoppning IRN counter attack, second time helping ARG maintaining attack position. Horrible.

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  7. Anonymous21/6/14 19:35

    Why Busacca gives Mazic the second match whereas other referee are busy less than the gardener? However, missed penalty is a crucial mistake, Mazic's WC ends tonight

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    1. Anonymous21/6/14 19:37

      It should have ended on Monday as his first performance boded ill already. Crucial mistake from Busacca as well...and we all know clear interests in some teams getting the Round of 16.

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  8. Anonymous21/6/14 19:45

    Haters gonna hate.... Hi Portugese guys ;)

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  9. Anonymous21/6/14 19:49

    i cannot see the reason why most of you dont like mazic. he's quite good ref..

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    1. Anonymous21/6/14 19:52

      LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL yes, his foul detection is excellent (especially inside the box), his positioning is even better. At the disciplinary level, very good as well as we have been witnessing today. AHAHAH

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    2. Anonymous21/6/14 19:57

      c'est je ton qui fait la music

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  10. Anonymous21/6/14 19:56

    Game is interrupted for a whole minute for substitution of di Maria and referee adds 30 seconds to extra time.... di Maria deserved yellow card for leaving in slow motion, nothing else IMO.

    André

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  11. Anonymous21/6/14 19:56

    BUSACCA REALLY BAD.
    Please go home Massimo!

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  12. Even I have to say: bad performance. Inconsistent carding, often interfering with the game, no stopping of time wasting and dissent. Difficult, but penalty missed (54', Zabaleta on Dejagah). Gago had to booked after his second larger foul in 63'.
    7.8 at best.

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  13. Anonymous21/6/14 20:01

    Why do you anonymous guys even bother to come and comment?!
    For me it's time to close anonymous option, it's turning into farce.
    And it's not censorship or smth, it's for people like me, who want to come and read analyses by our great regulars! not some crap from haters!

    / BC

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    1. Anonymous21/6/14 20:07

      And you are anonymous too.......

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    2. Yeah, I am in most occasions a anonymous, but it's not hard for me to do an account, if I want to comment and share my opinions more regularly, when anonymous are blocked.
      What I think on Mazic performance doesn't matter, since everybody will have their own opinions and won't change them, simply because I said differently. If person wants to hate and slaughter the poor guy, then he/she will do it regardless of what I say. I in the opposite, would like to find a solutions or answers, why some calls are made or not made. You should watch some lower league referees and there you will see some calls that I or you cannot explain. Here at World Cup, all calls or no-calls are in some way understandable or explainable (due referees position or lack of AARs, or something else)
      To top it all of, I personally think that Mazic is not having a good world cup and I seriously doubt that we will see him again. Hope he will bounce back, though

      / BC

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  14. Anonymous21/6/14 20:02

    Carlos Queiroz, Iran coach, is justly hitting out at Mazic. Iran players also harshly criticizing the Serbian official. Mazic is SOOO GOOD. Ah, ok, Queiroz is Portuguese LOL

    If Mazic gets a third match after one more lame performance, then something obscure must be going on. Too many mistakes for a referee.

    ACD

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  15. It is unbelievable, I'm sorry with all our readers. Anonymous comments are blocked again.

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    1. I think you should have done it earlier. I don't think it is very difficult to register with a user name and post comments. Though, it looks like the referee performance analysis have changed into referee killing sessions with these comments.

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    2. I understand fully. Even though Mazic had no good performance, this is not acceptable.

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    3. Yes, I agree. You guys are doing wonderful job, sharing views of the situations that referee's has to deal with, and then, this kind of words, behaviour... Blog is for the 3rd TEAM, so and if mistakes occur, we should not be cheerful or happy, or malicious. It is not the right way, and the guys who are running this doesn't deserve this.

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    4. We try to do our best with this blog. We can't assure to be there, moderating comments, 24 hours per day. We always try to give trust to anonymous people, because we want to assure 100% freedom of speech. That is, in my opinion, an inviolable right. But I'm experiencing, in this recent times, that here this is not possible. Anonymous (perhaps football fans, not referees) write here just to ruin the reputation of referees. This will never be accepted. We could even close everything, because we can't go on in this way.
      Thanks for your understanding, we apologize again.

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    5. #Chefren: Thank you. Keep it like that.

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    6. Chefren, I don't think blocking anonymous comments has anything to do with freedom of speech, it more has something to do with blocking sneaky referee killers. Otherwise, as I know it, everybody on earth can create a profile and have a nickname to post comments on internet without any restrictions.

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    7. And I can assure we always try to do that, but we find problems only with "anonymous" users... :)

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  16. Anonymous comments are almost always fine except with Mazic is the referee...

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  17. Our 4th official is Ghana's coach :)
    I think Ricci will change his jersey at halftime.

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  18. Does Thomas Müller have got shin guard ?

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  19. Good first half by Ricci, except for one offside decision (43' Atsu). Ok not to caution Rabiu for the first (and so far only) hard tackle in 12'.

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  20. Good match overall for Ricci. I'm really happy for him. He is the most unexperienced referee at international level among all the officials here at WC, but he is gaining trust by committee. A round of 16 match is possible!

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  21. Very good match by Ricci, nothing to argue about from my side.

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  22. Also agree on Ricci. Really good performance.

    Report tomorrow but the mark will probably be 8.4.

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  23. Sorry for the slight delay with the reports. Vera's 8.2 (8.4/8.4) will be uploaded tomorrow. Velasco 7.8, Mazic (GER-POR) 7.9. Anonymous comments will stay disabled during the whole World Cup for now. We gave the mob a last chance after GER-POR's emotions seemed to have calmed down, but it did not work, sorry for all that. And after that it will probably stayed disabled as well.

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    1. Great to hear! Looking forward to it! :)
      One tiny point on the report CIV-JPN: The description of the second penalty scene says: "#19 CIV gets inside the penalty area, controls the ball and # tries to tackle him." Is here a number missing? I believe the Japanese player in question was Morishige.
      Don't want to sound arrogant or overcorrect, just recognized it after reading it again today.

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    2. Thanks, it is written down, I will check it tomorrow, too.

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    3. No problem, thx for the quite feedback. :)

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  24. On the performances. I am unsure about the penalty situation in ARG IRN, but my tendency is penalty. I have never seen such a poor Milorad Mazic in terms of authority and personality. His body language never reached its targets, neither in GER POR nor today. He must be sent home for the fairness with other referees, he is not at the highest level, not his usual self and I say that with a lot of respect for his achievements and also a bit "sadness" since my hopes were higher.
    Ricci was really good in a tense but never challenging match. I agree with 8.4, good team-performance, making a 3rd match mandatory.

    Very good appointments this time. I would have preferred Shukralla in CRO-MEX, but Gassama surely faces an all-or-nothing game. His modern style fits to the match and it can be the entry key for a K.O. match, since Haimoudi obviously failed.

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    1. 2:05
      http://livetv.sx/en/showvideo/197071_argentina_iran/

      You can hardly see the penalty kick without the replay. Even than I am not sure, because defender played the ball first.

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    2. Same here for the penalty, also leaning towards the penalty (but only after 2-3 replays). However WHAT on earth happened just after the penalty was rejected?! The Iranian attacker head butts Mazic in the stomach? How can anyone accept that? I did not believe my eyes when I saw that.

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    3. About ARG IRN, here are my thoughts:
      - PK for IRN: Zabaleta was first to play the ball in front of attacker, so no penalty, although very, very difficult decision (I'm not sure even now),
      - fitness: very good, always close to play, appropriately decision making,
      - positioning: 2nd game he was hit by the ball twice, he should be more predictive,
      - calls: in a easy game, he set his standards, and kept them in the course of the game; what wasn't foul outside penalty area, also wasn't inside,
      - cards: 2nd game he refused to give (at least) YC for dissent, after his decisions; I understand he didn't want to protect his authority with cards, but what I saw was unacceptable.
      Biggest suprise for me regarding Mazic is that he didn't manage to "sell" his decisions the way he usually can.

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    4. Mazic's style of gaining authority and selling his decisions can be normally described as unobtrusive arrogance. This works perfectly in UCL. But obviously it does not work at a World Cup.

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    5. Maybe you are right. His FIFA games are not as good as UCL games.

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    6. I forgot one more detail. Aguero has moved the corner flag out of its position, so referee was forced to "repair" that situation. Does this qualify for YC, unsporting behaviour, or non-given strong verbal warning would suffice?

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  25. O'Leary with a kit never used until now...

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    1. Didn't Nishimura and co. wear it in the opener? ;)

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    2. You are right and I forgot that. Sorry :)

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  26. Offside goal BIH, clear mistake (0,5m if not more) by AR2 Rule. Puuuuh.

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    1. This was indeed quite a blatant mistake... In the replays, I noticed that the AR raised his flag quite late. So either he was in doubt or he saw a second situation leading to this flag signal?

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    2. The AR actually raised the flag in exact same moment as the attacker played the ball - so no delay. But it also seem late for me at the first view. At first I thought that the AR was off at his position, giving him a wrong angle - but his positioning is actually spot on (which makes it harder to understand). But don't be harsh saying that it is about 2 meters off. It's more like 0.5 meters, 1 meter at most. But no matter what it is very unfortunate.

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  27. Terrible offside decision! ~2 meters no offside!

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  28. Just seen another replay of the 1-0: It is a foul, he hits Spahic' leg, so that the defender stumples and falls. False call IMHO.

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    1. Have you seen a replay? The NGA player hits the defenders leg and trips him. For me this is a foul. Plus O'Leary's body language implied a whistle and therefore influenced the players. Correct or not, it is bad management for sure.

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  30. Well, in my opinion there isn't any foul prior to 1-0, so I believe that the decision by Hintz - O'Leary to play on was correct.
    Overall, a not challenging match for O'Leary. Two cards for tactical fouls (the first SPA) correctly given. Not so much more to discuss. Perhaps a quite reckless tackle at 78'. We are in an expected level area. 8.3 or 8.4.
    Crucial mistake disallowing a regular goal for AR2, therefore 7.9.
    Roberto Moreno with a point for improvement, he might have informed O'Leary about Bosnia keeper who acted unfairly against an opponent who was lying on the ground (73').
    Report soon, hopefully in two days.

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    1. Chefren, maybe I am biased, but for me it is a foul. Have you seen a close-up replay? He clearly trips his opponent! When I see what other stuff attackers do on defenders and it gets whistled off, this is a clear foul for me. If you could be so kind to explain the diference for me, I would be very grateful.
      Plus the double foul by Besic at the end had to be a YC.

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    2. I forgot the missed handball by Dzeko just before his shot on the post. Would have been a crucial mistake if it had gone in.

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    3. I have now seen the possible foul prior to 1-0 (from many different angles, close up and in slow-motion), and I must say that this is a really difficult situation. At first replay in normal speed it was also a foul to me. However when looking carefully, you actually see the defender swinging back his arm with his elbow hitting the attacker in the face (who however is so focused, that he keeps on running) - a clear free kick and YC to me. One could also discuss if the defender is impeding the progress of the attacker. But all this was only obvious to me after having replayed it 10 times at 4 different angles, so no wonder they didn't catch it. However, we can also believe that they saw it, and played the advantage (they deserve the benefit of the doubt). Moving further in the situation, the defender is stepping into the path of the attacker (who has just played the ball) to shield him off. The attacker is then trying to run past the defender (now behind the defender), catching up on him, getting up on the side of him (both commit minor holding offences on each other). However as the attacker passes the defender so close, a high foot of the defender clashes with the attackers thigh, resulting in the defender tripping himself. It is clearly unintentional, but the result is obvious.

      Watching O'Leary in all the replays, was also rather funny. When the possible foul is committed he puts the whistle to his mouth, and his body language tells us that he is going to whistle for a free kick. Then nothing happens, he waits and then awards the goal. He really seems quite fluttering in the situation.

      But as I said earlier – I think that this was a really difficult situation.

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    4. I agree. No foul is good call, but offside call is mistake (obviously).

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    5. @ Danish ref - I watched it many times, too, and I agree, that the first foul came from the defender, so advantage and goal is the correct decision. It seemed to me that the assistant told O`leary to let it go when he wanted to whistle. YC ag. defender not necessary in my view.

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    6. Btw. Did O'Leary have a chewing gum in his mouth? At one moment I thought so.

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  31. Nigeria - Bosnia. eter O'LEARY (NZL), the worst referee we have seen so far. Some of the actions of the Bosnian players were actually redcard, he did not even give them yellow. Was extremely biased towards Bosnian.

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    1. Wait...he was biased towards the Bosnian's?

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    2. Agree. This was a disaster.

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  32. My predictions for Tuesday:
    ITA-URU: Rodriguez
    CRC-ENG: Haimoudi
    JAP-COL: Velasco
    GRE-CIV: Proenca

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    1. Mine are:
      ITA-URU Rodriguez
      CRC-ENG Vera
      JPN-COL Proenca
      GRE-CIV Williams

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    2. I have the same names on my list as you, Philipp, only one differs: I would give CRC-ENG to Nishimura.

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  33. Seen the reports , very interesting, especially Carballo and Vera.

    BTW: Spotted something in the URU-ENG Report. It mentions a tackle in Minute 46' where the numbers of the players are missing. I believe the Scenes in question is the foul by Sterling (ENG #19) on A. Pereira (URU #4) in Minute 47.

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  34. I'm wondering,where is the cakir mexico-brazil report ?
    Thank you

    Levent from turkey

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    1. It is in preparation. As far as Thomas informed me, the mark is 8.3.

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  35. Cakir has Italy-Uruguay. At least this is circling in the internet.

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    1. I heard about it , too.But cuneyt cakir europen referee and than he can't refree european teams matches Am ı wrong ?

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    2. Well Turkish newspapers are constantly good in telling bull****. Rodriguez has this match, see other post.

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    3. By the way, Levent, Proenca whistled CAM-CRO, Velasco URU-ENG, neutrality-confed.-rule isn`t a MUST at this tournament.
      But Rodriguez is the best possible app. for that match. And it would have been strange to break that neutr.idea the 2nd time for URU against European teams!
      The interesting question about that neutrality occurs with the preliminary matches - what`s more important, confed. neutrality or quality, IF there is bo way to guarantee both?

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