June 24, 2014

Discussion About Refereeing In Group C & D Deciders

What is your opinion on the referee performances shown by the four referee teams acting in today's Group C and Group D deciders? How would you have decided in crucial situations? Discuss it here please!


GROUP D, Match 39
24 June 2014, 18:00 CET
Estadio das Dunas, Natal
ITALY - URUGUAY
Referee: Marco RODRÍGUEZ (MEX)
Assistant Referee 1: Marvin TORRENTERA (MEX)
Assistant Referee 2: Marcos QUINTERO (MEX)
Fourth Official: Mark GEIGER (USA)
Standby Assistant Referee: Sean Mark HURD (USA)
Blog Referee Observer: Niclas (GER)

GROUP D, Match 40
24 June 2014, 18:00 CET
Estadio Mineirao, Belo Horizonte
COSTA RICA - ENGLAND
Referee: Djamel HAIMOUDI (ALG)
Assistant Referee 1: Redouane ACHIK (MAR)
Assistant Referee 2: Abdelhak ETCHIALI (ALG)
Fourth Official: Alireza FAGHANI (IRN)
Standby Assistant Referee: Hassan KAMRANIFAR (IRN)
Blog Referee Observer: Thomas (NED)

GROUP C, Match 37
24 June 2014, 22:00 CET
Arena Pantanal, Cuiaba
JAPAN - COLOMBIA
Referee: Pedro PROENÇA (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bertino MIRANDA (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tiago TRIGO (POR)
Fourth Official: Roberto MORENO (PAN)
Standby Assistant Referee: Eric BORIA (USA)
Blog Referee Observer: Nurudin (ENG)

GROUP C, Match 38
24 June 2014, 22:00 CET
Estadio Castelao, Fortaleza
GREECE - CÔTE D'IVOIRE
Referee: Carlos VERA (ECU)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian LESCANO (ECU)
Assistant Referee 2: Byron ROMERO (ECU)
Fourth Official: Sandro RICCI (BRA)
Standby Assistant Referee: Emerson DE CARVALHO (BRA)
Blog Referee Observer: Chefren (ITA)

85 Comments:

  1. Solid caution to Balotelli... Reckless challenge.

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    1. For those, who didn't see it:
      http://skroc.pl/73e9b

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  3. correct red card shown to marchisio 60', no intent for the ball very dangerous

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    1. But the impact wasn't that hard. With the standard of YC/RC so far in the WC it was very harsh.

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    2. I think the decision is too hard for this situation, because his line before was much friendlier.

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  4. Sorry, for me the RC is completely unnecessary, not even a YC would have been a real must... I do not understand what Rodriguez saw...! Crucial error!

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  5. Studs up, dangerously kicking the opponent's leg with no intent and opportunity to play the ball. Red card is ok by book for my taste. But the intensity was not that hard, the context of the game did not demand it. But, Andrasch, I really think you strongly underestimate the danger of such a tackle, it is nastiest sort. Marchisio had no reason to kick his opponent in that manner except if he deliberately wanted to endanger his safety.

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    1. Niclas,for your taste was also nanis red card OK...(manu v Madrid)
      It was absolutely correct match from cakir.Wats happend???English and Italian media(they are not Spanish club fans)made cakir To Error referee and then we know the Sinking of cakir..

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  6. LOTG support Rodriguez decision to show RC.
    But if we strictly follow teh LOTG, every match probably would end with 25 YC's en some RC's.

    This decision was too harsh for me. Not in line with the approach of the rest of this match. Not in line with the WC line so far. Referees should not be unpredictable to players and with this kind of decisions they will become.

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    1. That's the problem. I could imagine we won't see him again after today. That is completely going against what Busacca and co promoted.

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  7. After a long period in which I was unable to attend, I would like to focus again on the valuation of the referee. I would now like to become a blog observer, again like to contact

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  8. For me the RC is spot-on. I don't care about the WC instruction or anything else. What I do care is the safety of the player. And that was clear endangerment.

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  9. suarez at it again? not sure if rodriguez saw what occured

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  10. Missing RC for Luis Suarez + potentially Chiellini. He was biting again. AR1 MUST help there.

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    1. Niclas, you have right !

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    2. Yes, an IDFK here against Suarez, and a RC. Possibly for the defender as well, but difficult to see if the defender simply pushes Suarez away, or swings his elbow at him.

      Would have been interesting to watch in the other end, with commentators demanding a "clear" penalty ;)

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    3. Rather a direct free-kick, as it was an act of violent conduct against an opponent, no?

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    4. It will help you:
      http://gdfra.org.au/lawqa.htm

      ;)

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    5. Thomas, you are right with the sending off offence to be violent conduct. However, the definitions for sending off or cautioning players are not the same definitions used with regards to the free kick itself, which has a strict list of offences defined to it. These two categories are clearly separated. One reason to whistle the free kick, and one reason for the card, so to say.

      Hubert, a nice little table trying to explain the difference between violent conduct and serious foul play. It does however not take in consideration this little Suarez-incident, as following the table would result in DFK or penalty - which is a wrong decision :)

      Hint: 7+3 ;)

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    6. For me the LoTG are really clear here:

      Law 12, page 128

      If the ball is in play and a player commits an offence inside the field of play:
      – against an opponent, play is restarted with a direct free kick from the
      position where the offence occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick)
      or a penalty kick (if inside the offending player’s own penalty area)

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    7. You need to have an offence which qualifies for a DFK, which is the prerequisite for what you have referred to in LoTG. So let me ask you in another way - for what offence will you call the DFK :)?

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    8. Danish ref I really don't understand your argumentation. The Law is clear. Violent Conduct, ball in play, inside the field -> dfk, red.

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    9. You can only, and ONLY call a DFK for the following offences:

      "A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
      • kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
      • trips or attempts to trip an opponent
      • jumps at an opponent
      • charges an opponent
      • strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
      • pushes an opponent
      • tackles an opponent

      A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following three offences:
      • holds an opponent
      • spits at an opponent
      • handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
      penalty area"

      Biting is NOT one of these 10 offences (7+3), therefore a DFK cannot be called. Instead we have to find the section below describing IDFK:

      "An indirect free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if, in the opinion of the referee, a player:
      ...
      • commits any other offence, not previously mentioned in Law 12, for which play is stopped to caution or send off a player"

      As biting is not mentioned in Law 12, this is where the situation ends according the LoTG. IDFK and a RC for violent conduct. Is it fair? I don't know, but I think it is funny :)

      It has happened before in Danish football, and theory-wise I had a great laugh about it together with a Danish UEFA observer.

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    10. Haha you are right. Excellent. Maybe FIFA and IFAB should integrate this Suarez paragraph as no.8 +3 :)

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    11. Hi Danish ref:

      I don't understand your point... Biting is violent conduct. Hence DFK under law 12 (P. 128; just because this is in the 'interpretation' section doesn't mean it isn't part of law 12). Furthermore, within the text you quoted from LOTG, it does not state you can ONLY call for DFK for these 10 offenses like you stated in the first sentence.
      Also, biting an opponent cannot be added into the first seven offenses like Niclas suggested because it is still a violent conduct even if you bite the opponent in a careless or recklessly manner.
      Could you please explain your argumentation to me in details?
      Thanks :)
      Apologies for bringing up an older conversation!

      Regards,
      Charlie

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  11. Why can referee assistant 1 not see between Suarez and Chiellini?

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    1. Too far to see the biting for both AR1 and the 4th

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  12. Missed Red Card against Suarez after his bite-attack against ITA defender Chiellini, but difficult to see.

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  13. He hasn't just done, what I think he's just done? Has he? Suarez really is something else...

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  14. Can FIFA sanction a player based on video material if a referee misses a foul (of course related to the Suarez bite incident)?

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    1. Yes they can. As long as the referee hasnt done a call on the pitch (like issued YC). It wont make Italy happier though

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    2. Frings was banned in 2006 based on video evidence, after the Argentina fracas: http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/argentinien-eklat-fifa-sperrt-frings-fuers-halbfinale-a-424779.html

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    3. If so, why Raul Meireles wasn't banned after he showed the middle finger to Mazic's back against Germany?

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    4. For those who missed it: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/17/portugal-raul-meireles-referee-finger-germany-pepe-red-card

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    5. From the very article you linked:

      "However, the federation said on Tuesday that Meireles was simply issuing tactical instructions to his team-mate Bruno Alves."

      "as closer inspection reveals Meireles was holding up the index fingers of each hand rather than the middle ones."

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    6. It wasn't middle finger :) See this video made by sedziapilkarski.pl:
      http://vimeo.com/98390814

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    7. Btw, thanks Niclas/SWE ;)

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  15. It's really nice to finally see a referee brave enough to show a red card for serious foul play (not as Brych in URU-CRC...). It would be a nonsense to keep in this tournament names like Irmatov, Rizzoli, Brych and send Rodriguez, Doue and Haimoudi home. But it's only my opinion based on number of big mistakes made by some referees at Brazilian WC.

    I would prefer a red card for Balotelli's dangerous jump in the first half (it's something what referees often misjudge - reckless or dangerous jumps on the opponent). Of course, Suárez should be off (Chiellini's movement was rather defensive and natural one as a reaction for this bite). I hope Uruguayan star will be suspended, but also fear that FIFA won't do it...

    Another very good performance by Mr. Rodríguez Moreno. Definitely, I would like to see him in 1/8 or 1/4 final again.

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    1. Hubert, the Suarez incident will be (and already is) covered by the media worldwide, so FIFA has no other choice than to act I think...

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    2. I dont think he will get any more matches this WC. Right or wrong in the RC-decisions, this is the most talket about situation in WC since the opening game. Cannot be a good thing for the referee

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    3. The problem is that I can't understand how someone could doubt in this red card... Where is the ball, what is an intention to attack studs-up so high? Nothing else like serious foul play! You really want to see such stupid fouls to be tolerated on the football pitch? I'm stunned o.O

      https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/8F77667FAA1093272933041868800_2179eacce43.0.4.5618649451049271900.mp4?versionId=kWyHZ1wM8bFw0_q9ra9j67onOelZON0q

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    4. I belive the red card is a bit tough based on what we have seen this WC. But I'm fine with it, its a referee call. However, that is not the situation I'm talking about, I'm talking about the Suarez-biting incident. If Rodríguez gets another game he will be "the referee that didnt see when Suarez bit his opponent". I dont think that is good for his future chanses

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  16. The issued RC way too tough. Not enough speed and violence in that tackle. Suarez should have RC and I also think Chiellini.

    Imho one of the least impressive referee performance of this WC

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    1. If you strike another player, how hard do you have to strike. Laws od game didn't mention so it will be up to the referee

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  17. I wonder why nobody mentioned it so far. But Rodriguez made an amateur mistake in the penalty appeal for holding at the start of the 2nd half. He suspected an offside and looked out to AR1 for several seconds, totally losing the visual control to the ball and failing to be able to judge the holding offense at all. Unacceptable, even though after all NO penalty was ok.
    I am quite sure we won't see this referee again in ko stage, without valuing this.

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    1. Sure. Finally, he's not a European boy or Irmatov to be defended by FIFA...

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    2. I think that Cavani was in an offside position and Rodriguez instructed the AR to keep his flag down and gave the advantage. If that is the case, then there must have been a whistle at least to calm everyone down. Instead, all the players thought the AR assisted the referee in the penalty call!

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    3. Good call Niclas! He did nothing professional in this case. Isn't it tough that any referee can be beaten down by a deciding World Cup game

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  18. I am not going to comment the red card, it is another problem that is worrying me. The players are showing a great amount of disrespect to referees. Bufon camed out 60 m from his goal - no yelow card, there is evident physical contact betwen players and referees, and refeeres are not punishing that, and it is getting more evident. Mazic had to push Ronaldo and Pepe, a lot of referees are literally pushed, it is sending a bad example to all football players around the world. I know that the judges want to be less noticeable on the field, but somewhere they must draw the line because it is seriously damaging the reputation of football referees all around the world.

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    1. Buffon is the captain.

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    2. I agree. Both the lenient approach that the referees of this WC has been having, and player behaviour and how referees has been tolerating this does not send a good message to referees and players on a lower level.

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  19. My first thought: The foul can not be the reason for the RC, was there something else? But then came the replay: studs on knee-height, reckless challenge, a RC therefore possible by the LotG. Still, I feel like ITA and Busacca won't see it that way. Pity for Rodriguez.
    Also, he was pretty lenient until that point and then such a RC is not in line.
    Suarez and maybe Chiellini had to go, shocking scene. Rodriguez and/or the AR have to see this, really crucial error.
    Overall not that bad, but I fear we won't see him again at this WC.

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  21. Seriously are you guys saying that 6 studs to just below the knee is not a red card? Great spot, especially as he was potentially too close. Tough match to referee but thought he did well.
    Suarez needs to be banned from ALL football (I know it wont happen but I can hope). How can he expect to get away with that? Chellini, to his credit, did not inflame the situation any further

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    1. The red card is an absolutely correct decision in accordance with the Laws of the Game, if the referee considers the action showing enough brutality and excessive force (which I can agree with).

      What most people probably bothers is that this came quite sudden and unpredictable given the match context and normal spirit of the game at this moment.

      I think the red card is no problem. The problem is the rest of the performance, which was good in half 1. But he lost it in half 2.

      Luckily we, as referees, don't have to be interested in whether Suarez will be suspended or not. Though I strongly agree with your sympathies for a life-long ban of course :)

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    2. From a reverse angle (I've just found the video), it seems that Marchisio stops his feet in order to hit the knee. Watching that, I think that RC coul be correct, but not proportionate whit the standard of this WC. This comes from Busacca's rule, probably. And it's also a pity, but there are more points for improvement that in 2010's WC. In Sudafrica there were some big mistakes (Larrionda, Busacca) but the overall level was better IMHO.

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    3. Niclas, could you give us some preview about Rodriguez's mark? :)
      Another question... Do you agree that the AARs would have been very useful?

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    4. I thought about that...an AAR should have ideally spotted it, yes.
      No. I cannot say it since I must rewatch some key incidents.

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  22. USA-GER: Irmatov, 4th Alioum
    POR-GHA: Shukralla, 4th Roldan
    KOR-BEL: Williams, 4th Carrillo
    ALG-RUS: Cakir, 4th Aguilar

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  23. BTW: Mediocore performance by Haimoudi. A handful of errors, 3 correct YCs.

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  24. In the Suarez situation, Rodriguez gave a free kick for Italy (maybe adviced by AR1). So, he evaluated the situation and retrospective sanctions could be difficult. Or at least, it could be difficult to explain for Rodriguez, why he awarded the free kick, if nobody in his team saw the incident...

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    1. Yeah, this will get really interesting. Because its no chance that they awarded a free kick based on the actual situation. I think that the AR believed he saw a push or something, or they just gave a free kick to defending team because they didnt really see whay happend.

      If that removes the ability for FIFA to punish Suarez post game, then the laws has a big problem.

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    2. They will make an expection at any rate, even in case of free kick whistled by Rodriguez. They will ask the referee, getting the confirmation that he missed the bite. Suarez must be punished.

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  25. Who gets the mail, which I send by the ''Contact button'' ?

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  26. correct decision from Proença, penalty for Colombia

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  27. Penalty for GRE. Correct?

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    1. Yes, the defender clearly trips the greek up from behind as he prepares to shoot.

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    2. Puuh, a contact is there. But is it intentional? Difficult.

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    3. No clear penalty. But acceptable for me. Brave call at any rate.

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    4. The contact doesn't have to be deliberate to be a foul. The only infringement that requires the word 'deliberate' is handling the ball.

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    5. Same for me. I believe I saw a similar situation on FIFA training material where no penalty was the decision. But I can accept the call as correct. And, as you say, Carlos Vera showed exceptional courage.

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    6. After five replays: Acceptable and brave call. No error.

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    7. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2073bn_greece-1-2-cote-d-ivoire-g-samaras_sport

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    8. Perfect, perfect decision!!! WOW!

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  28. The penalty took about two minutes but no extra time added.

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  29. One thing about the Gassama report: AR1: ...this should have been a corner-kick instead of a corner-kick...
    I believe this should mean corner-kick instead of a goal-kick.
    As always, interesting to read and a great analysis. :)

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  30. https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/DCF9F0DB861093355659493294080_1381dfa2dd1.4.8.3668332982084332147.mp4?versionId=Bt2k1curNgP56RXWC2l5cmmqHkvnw_C6

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  31. Just watching Japan - Colombia, it looked to me as if Proenca stopped play at around 60 minutes to allow treatment to a player inside the Colombian goal area, and a second after his whistle there was a foul. He restarted play with a foul, not a dropped ball. Anyone else noticed that? (According to the picture and sound, the whistle came before the alleged foul)

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    1. You are right. I really can't explain this one. Even the Danish commentators said when the ball was restarted with a free kick: "Well, what a funny dropped ball the referee have startet play with - it really should have been a dropped ball and not a free kick". Very odd.

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    2. It's as if he said to himself "I hope nobody notices"...

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  33. Here is an excellent 1080p video of the RC offense in the Italy - Uruguay match:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkU30HlkNU4&feature=player_detailpage
    I had had serious doubts about this RC, but upon watching this particular video feed, I must agree that it was a 100% correct decision by Rodriguez.

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