June 26, 2014

Webb and Kuipers to take charge of Matches 49 & 50

FIFA has designated the referee teams that are supposed to take charge of Saturday's all-South American Round of 16 matches.  



English Howard Webb will take control over the hosting nation Brazil's match against Chile - a tie he already oversaw at World Cup 2010 in the same stage of the competition (3:0) - with German Felix Brych as the fourth official. Later on, Dutch Champions League 2014 final referee Björn Kuipers has been assigned to handle Colombia - Uruguay with Norwegian Svein Oddvar Moen controlling the benches as the fourth official.


ROUND OF 16, Match 49 
28 June 2014, 18:00 CET
Estádio Mineirao, Belo Horizonte
BRAZIL - CHILE
Referee: Howard WEBB (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Michael MULLARKEY (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Darren CANN (ENG)
Fourth Official: Felix BRYCH (GER)
Standby Assistant Referee: Mark BORSCH (GER)
Blog Referee Observer: Emil (CAN)

ROUND OF 16, Match 50
28 June 2014, 22:00 CET
Maracanã - Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho, Rio de Janeiro 
COLOMBIA - URUGUAY
Referee: Björn KUIPERS (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander VAN ROEKEL (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin E.J. ZEINSTRA (NED)
Fourth Official: Svein Oddvar MOEN (NOR)
Standby Assistant Referee: Kim Thomas HAGLUND (NOR)
Blog Referee Observer: Edward (GRE) 

61 Comments:

  1. Predictions based on 23:20 CET.

    BRA-CHI Webb (released)
    COL-URU Kuipers (released)
    NED-MEX Ricci
    CRC-GRE Gassama
    FRA-NGA Aguilar
    ARG-SUI Geiger
    GER-ALG Vera
    BEL-USA Shukralla

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    1. I'm not so sure about Shukralla, I think it could be Pitana. And also, if the will follow the Confederation rule, we can expect another match for Irmatov, although non perfect today. Probably UEFA's referee will have the quarterfinal of Friday 4th July. In this case I think Cakir and Rizzoli (not good the first match, ok the second). For the matches of Saturday 5th, FIFA will probably use two non-UEFA referees.

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    2. 27/06 00:20 CET matches are confirmed :D
      Algeria and Belgium will be there.

      I agree with all your predictions, Shukralla appointment for today's Portugal-Ghana could mean that committee is going to assign him a round of 16.Otherwise, as for AFC there wouldn't be other names to appoint. Irmatov will probably get directly a quartefinal. Nishimura world cup is over, and for Williams it would be too early.
      As for CRC-GRE, I think Doue will be there. No trust in Gassama by committee, he needed in my opinion at least two matches in group stage, to be appointed for KO stage. I see Doue ahead, Gassama is too unexperienced, even though he was good in his match.
      There is room for CONCACAF officials and I agree both on Aguilar and Geiger.
      CONMEBOL: Ricci is sure, the second name, again I agree, should be Vera.
      Pitana got three matches in group stage, but now I don't see room for him, considering also the mistake made.
      Apart from these predictions, other UEFA names who could get a match are in my opnion Proença and Rizzoli, but they should be appointed directly in quarterfinals.

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    3. We can expected one match for each referee between R16 and 1/4. But then, will be some referee reappointed for 1/2 and finals? What do you think?

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    4. I think:
      all different referees for round of 16 and quartefinals (12 referees)..
      then for semifinals two referees who officiated in round of 16... and the final referee from the officials appointed in quartefinals, but of course we can just suppose that... everything can happen.

      Howard Webb four years ago:
      2 group stage
      1 round of 16
      1 final

      this is the "classic" pattern for a referee officiating a WC final...

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    5. Elizondo 2006:
      3 group stage
      1 1/4
      1 final

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  2. Kuipers was fourth official in the previous match in Rio, now he gets COL-URU there. The same can go for Ricci, who was fourth official in the previous Fortaleza match.

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    1. Thus appointing Ricci in Fortaleza for NED-MEX makes sense from that respect as well.

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  3. When will FIFA announce the first round of cuts?

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  4. My ideas about next two rounds...
    BRA-CHI - Webb logic as
    KOL-URU Kuipers, both clear now.
    NED-MEX Ricci
    CRC-GRE Gassama
    FRA-NGA Geiger
    GER-ALG Aguilar
    ARG-SUI Haimoudi
    BEL-USA Vera

    BRA/CHI - KOL/URU Irmatov
    FRA/NGA - GER/ALG Pitana
    NED/MEX- CRC/GRE Proenca
    ARG/SUI - BEL/USA Cakir

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  5. By the way, I would not be surprised, if 2 of Proenca, Vera, Cakir and Geiger will get the finals.

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    1. If Irmatov will be excellent (excellent, not good) in his 1/4, the final will be his. I also think that Rizzoli has good reputation, but FIFA appointed Cakir for the second match of Brasil. They consider him able to bear a strong pression down.

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    2. I don't think that Irmatov will get another match. Based on what we saw, he shouldn't.

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    3. It's probably we will have a lot of UEFA/CONMEBOL matches. If FIFA will follow Confederation's rule, there are few other possible choices.. Nishimura would have been very useful...

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  6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOfftJfNmF0

    Excellent :D

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  7. My predictions:
    NED-MEX: Osses/Proenca (the mistake in ITA-CRC vs. confed neutrality)
    CRC-GRI: Doue/Gassama (the other one shoud then get a QF)
    FRA-NGA: Aguilar
    GER-ALG: Pitana
    ARG-SUI: Shukralla
    BEL-USA: Ricci

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  8. Always the same problem, with the confederation's rule, good UEFA's referee will be out

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  9. fifa not taking dangers, two of the best uefa referees will manage the most difficult matches on the stage: BRA-CHI and COL-URU

    for my opinion, this is next appointments:
    NED-MEX: Ricci
    CRC-GRE: Gassama
    FRA-NGA: Geiger
    GER-ALG: Rodriguez
    ARG-SUI: Irmatov
    BEL-USA: Vera

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  10. Referees like Nishimura, Rizzoli and Irmatov should definitely be kept. Yes, they made mistakes, but so do all referees at times. One instructor once told me that what makes the best referees the best is that they don't necessarily make fewer mistakes than other referees, but they have a personality, style and ability to control the match and adapt to the players that is better than the others. For this reason, Nishimura, Rizzoli and Irmatov should be kept and be strong candidates for the finals. If I were to choose between referees who make few clear mistakes but show little or no personality on the field and lose control of the match and the players' confidence (Doue, Velasco, Haimoudi) should be sent home, while the referees I mentioned above who have "the little extra" in these areas but have made some mistakes should definitely be kept.

    The players and fans are the best and most important of all referee observers. If both teams are pleased with the referee's performance after the game, the referee should consider his job done.

    If one team is unhappy with just one decision, (like Croatia) that is not as good, but still much better than the team feeling that the referee lost control of the match, failed to protect players, hand out cards, etc....

    The best referee is the one that adapts to the match, becomes part of it, and last but not least, has a great understanding of football tactically, technically and psychologically . One example of this is a Norwegian referee who has been working with Moen as an AAR in the CL this season. He is a great referee in many ways is world class, and he rarely makes mistakes. However, he has a habit of becoming the "star of the show", often making strange decisions and always talking to the media after the matches. It is like he thinks the match is there for him - not that he is there for the match like it is supposed to be. He has also never played football which gives him a much poorer understanding of the game.

    This shows that decision-making and mistakes just is a small part of refereeing, which is something very complex. In my opinion, 1 or 2 mistakes should not be a factor deciding who will be cut or not. (In cases like Roldan it must).

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  11. Very interesting point of view, and overall one can agree, but I have to disagree about Nishimura, he can't be a candidate for WC final now. His mistake made in the opener was too blatant, FIFA was forced to stop him for the rest of the tournament. As for the other names, FIFA surely agrees with your opinion, indeed almost all the referees who made mistakes, got a second or even a third chance. And that's of course acceptable, considering that nobody can be always faultless. We have, at least on the paper, the best referees of the world here in Brazil. So they deserve to have more chances.

    Nevertheless, in a WC level, you can understand that it is reasonable to expect always a good performance by each official selected. One must find a compromise: if mistakes are not blatant, then the referee could be allowed to handle other matches.

    Finally, and that's my opinion, merely talking about this WC, having already watched 50 (more or less) matches, I would dare to say that it is better to have referees with some difficulties or trouble in control or management of the players but getting major calls right, than referees making such blatant mistakes, and deciding the future of a national team. Yes, it is perhaps a wrong opinion, but my expectations for referees at this WC were really higher and higher.

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    1. I agree, Nishimura's mistake was too blatant to reassign him. I think that Busacca will appoint only referee he trusts. So, I think it will be very difficult to see Vera and Shukralla, the 4th officials of Sunday's matches. Probably, in Busacca's opinion between Irmatov and Williams (for example), the Uzbek's referee is more suitable for a decisive match, though his mistakes. So my predictions are Aguilar/Geiger for USA-BEL and ARG-SVI and Ricci/Pitana for GRA-NIG and GER-ALG.
      Then, for quarterfinals, Rizzoli/Cakir for BRA/CHI-CRC-URU and FRA/NGA-GER/ALG (I think FRA-GER). Irmatov/Gassama for NED/MEX-CRC/GRE and ARG/SVI-BEL/USA. Then for semifinals two UEFA's referee, 3rd place final maybe Geiger and final,, it's very difficult to predict it. Probably Kuipers, Ricci and Pitana will be out because NED, ARG, BRA could be in semifinal.. Your opinions?

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  12. MEX-NED (Proenca and Co.; 4th Official: Carlos Vera)
    CRC-GRE (Williams and Co.; 4th Official: Nawaf Shukrallah)

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  13. Webb so far with all the right decisions (two penalty appeals rejected). It does however appears to me that he has left his great personality at home - he is choosing a very passive approach. He almost seems kind of restrained when considering his usual surplus of energy. The penalties were rejected with no visible signals, meaning the he simply just rejected them by not using his whistle. I am not sure of that this approach will be the best, when considering the nature of the two teams with regards to dissent and appeals.

    But a good match so far. Will be interesting to see how the match will evolve throughout the game.

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    1. I think he is taking the correct approach so far. No need to intensify an already hot game with clear and strong gestures.

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    2. You are right. I was in doubt how the players would receive his approach, and if he would then be able to establish the needed firm authority when the game needed it. But it really seems like a perfect approach for the game. He has established a calm authority, and got the players to understand the framework of the game and respect the consequences when it is breached.

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  14. Excellent Webb so far. He'll be the main candidate for the final along with Cakir if he'll keep such performance up (yes, I know it would be his second WC final, but why not?). As for 'lack of personality' mentioned by Danish ref - it's so demanding game full of shifty players that he has to be ultra-focused on many incidents. It's no much room for being a star, more for hard work and superhuman alertness.

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    1. I think Webb just eliminated his chances of that 2nd final. That was not a deliberate handball prior to Hulks goal

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  15. Was this the eighth or ninth foul by Fernandinho? I lost count.

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  16. Handball for me. Watched several replays, and IMO Hulk trapped the ball with his arm. Courageous decision from Mullarkey and Webb.

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    1. Show me thoose replays. I dont even see the ball touching the arm, just the chest.

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    2. Ok, I just saw another replay. He uses his shoulder/upper arm. I'm fine with the call. Sorry for doubting you Howard...

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    3. Yes, looked like a correct call by Webb.

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    4. Well, I watched the replays on television. The ball clearly hits his arm.
      Here's a vine:

      https://vine.co/v/MFhQYPaZQXt

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    5. BTW - it wasn't Webb who called it, rather it was Mullarkey.

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    6. If seen replays from several angles and there is no handball for me. There is a movement with the arm/shoulder by the Brazilian player, but the ball makes only contact with his chest.

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    7. I agree with Refref. Movement by arm but contact only with the chest.
      Very difficult decision, because from the pitch the perception is the same, one must back the referee.

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    8. can someone explain the YC to Hulk. Was this from the handling, from the continued play after the whistle, or dissent.

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    9. Deliberate handball, trying to score a goal -> YC.

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  17. Excellent decision by Webb

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  18. Final for Webb after this match, please. Phenomenal display by Mr. Webb!

    +
    fitness and positioning - always close to the action, sprints to the end of the game, fresh presence (a bit tired during extra-time, but is it something strange?)
    control, natural authority, not making a strange calls, always confident and with good rapport with players, standards was set from the beginning
    critical calls - rejected penalty appeals (at least three), handball by Hulk (Mullarkey)

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    really minor points for improvement as allowing re-start of play without whistle after booking, lack of yellow card to Fernandinho, one could say it should've been a red card for Jo, but I can understand Webb and his approach

    Marks should be really high, in 8.8-9.0 zone.

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  19. Did Webb made the same mistake as Brych?

    1st missed penalty for Chile. The GK way off even before the shot.

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    1. Agree, it was not so clear as in Brych's case, but still penalty should've been retaken according to LoTG. I start to think that referees are instructed to keep both eyes closed for this - by the way, very difficult to judge - infringement...

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    2. Agreed. I think Mullarkey saw no reason to raise his flag there. The penalty kick was reaching the centre of the goal (where GK was positioned) so that the goalkeeper did not decrease the angle by moving forward a bit. So, common sense, no need to get into unnecessary trouble.

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  20. Very good/Good performance, he kept the match under an excellent control and this was the basic requirement today. He kept a cool head and did not pay too much attention to the frequent protests and dissent (Scolari, Hulk). Foul detection was good. Card Management was just ok, I agreed with all cards (also tactically) except Dani Alves', clearly no foul. Ramires had to be cautioned in 110'. I also noticed that he became much slower in the extra time, like all players.

    As for the disallowed goal, I am having serious doubts and am almost convinced that it was a wrong decision. From Webb's position, it was impossible to see. Mullarkey seemed to run towards the midfield line (live-impression, not backed up by replays), so that the decision-taking process is a bit unclear to me for now. Furthermore Webb would have been much more determined when showing the card and making the decision if he had been completely sure.

    Depending on the handball situation, 8.7 or 7.9 (8.6) for me in a high difficulty match.

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    1. Taking into account a direction of movement of the ball after the contact with Hulk, I'm 99% sure it was a handball (ball moves in a direction of chest and it's unlikely to be an only contact with chest that would've caused such movement of the ball). It's my point of view, of course.

      http://giant.gfycat.com/ThirdGrimyBasenji.gif

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  21. Very good performance, acceptable handball card on Fred, but missed YCs for Fernandinho and Ramires. YC for Jo is borderline to Red, but ok with me.

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  22. AR1 is sleeping. Missed that the corner already was taken.

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  23. Anybody watching the COL-URU game? COL tried the trick corner kick again. Disallowed by Kuipers and AR1. Any explanation why?

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    1. There aren't explanations. For me, it was regular.

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    2. In COL's first game Webb did the same. Guy on TV (don't trust him) says something about being an unsporting trick play, so would be running over the ball on a DFK...Nothing on my version of Advise to Refees on LOTG.

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  24. Not happy with the performance so far. AR1 with the corner incident, AR2 with a wrong offside decision. And I don't like this lenient match approach. SPAs, ellbows and that clash between Yepes and Forlan should be carded.

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  25. IMO Kuipers should have already started with his YC. 2 pretty clear missed.

    AR1 incorrectly flagged for the corner (20') and AR2 with a wrong offside on Cavani (39').

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  26. This scene with Ramirez near the benches. I think RED CARD. Kuipers not even issuing a YC, I think he evaluated the scene as unintentional. Difficult to accept, at least for me...

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    1. Yeah that was pretty....weird. Lugano (great job by the way, picking up a caution as an injured and not available player on the bench) is cautioned for...an altercation. Armero for blocking the free kick. And Ramirez escapes despite a clear case of violent conduct.

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    2. So far refs have held very tight to their cards, nothing for faking, nothing for dissent, not even one for pushing an opposing player. Instructions from the top?

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    3. I don't see a violent conduct here. I only see a player who tries to kick the ball, but hits his opponent, because the ball isn't there anymore since the opponent had already kicked it away. For me this did not happen intentionally. If you want to see a RC in here, you must base it on serious foul play, not on violent conduct.

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  27. I think Kuipers was way too passive from the beginning and didn't show a preventive approach. His attitude was unchanged during the whole match, Kuipers wasn't able or didn't want adapt his style to the requirements of this match. Too calm, too resistless. That's why I always rated Webb above Kuipers (who is, by the way, a great ref too).

    Natural authority and match control were definitely on the side of Howard today.

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  28. Colombia - Uruguay was under control for 90 minutes, wasn't it? In what situation was it needed to become active?
    Kuipers' approach was preventive and following a clear strategy in the disciplinary control. No need to give a card in the first half. His movement was very economic, while he was static many times, he was able to accelerate when needed and be never too far away from play.
    Missing YCs against Ramirez and Cavani (stepped on James' foot), both nearby the fourth official / benches. 8.3-8.4 area for me.

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    1. Some stronger verbal warnings and more 'active' reaction for some incidents would calm atmosphere down in my opinion. Kuipers chose to be far from the play and only ran to some incidents without serious attitude when needed. Two conflicts managed without cards should be avoided by proactive management from the beginning (some small talks during play or something like that could've been applied) and yellow card in the second incident is a must. Overall, I agree with 8.3, but I was a bit disappointed watching it after Webb ;)

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      For me there is no violent conduct in Ramirez' case too. Great decision and cooperation with Moen.

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  29. First about Webb:
    Missed clear (reckless) YC for Fernandinho in 3rd minute. Then came revenge in 4th.
    Missed pemalty after tripping Hulk in OGSO.
    Exceelent decision not to allow goal after hulk hanball.
    Missed YC for Luiz in 78th minute (body-check)
    Neimar scored his penalty after sopping two times.
    Performance absolutely bellow expectatiobs

    Kuipers:
    Missed clear penalty after Yepes made reckless tackle in 38th minute on forlan.
    Missed YC for Uruguay and RC for Uruguay in mass confrontation.
    Unacceptable perfomance.

    No consistennca during WC, no brave desicions, too much pressure came after starting match and referees are trying to stay as much long as possible instead of apllying LOTG.

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