July 2, 2014

Néstor Pitana and Carlos Velasco Carballo to start the Quarterfinals

FIFA has selected Argentine Néstor Pitana and Spaniard Carlos Velasco Carballo to take charge of World Cup 2014's initiating quarterfinal matches France - Germany and Brazil - Colombia respectively.




QUARTERFINALS, Match 57
04 July 2014, 18:00 CET
Estadio Maracana, Rio de Janeiro
FRANCE - GERMANY
Referee: Néstor PITANA (ARG)
Assistant Referee 1: Hernán MAIDANA (ARG)
Assistant Referee 2: Juan Pablo BELATTI (ARG)
Fourth Official: Jonas ERIKSSON (SWE)
Standby Assistant Referee: Mathias KLASENIUS (SWE)
Blog Referee Observer: Edward (GRE)

QUARTERFINALS, Match 58
04 July 2014, 22:00 CET
Estadio Castelao, Fortaleza
BRAZIL - COLOMBIA
Referee: Carlos VELASCO CARBALLO (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Roberto ALONSO FERNÁNDEZ (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Juan Carlos YUSTE JIMÉNEZ (ESP)
Fourth Official: Svein Oddvar MOEN (NOR)
Standby Assistant Referee: Kim Thomas HAGLUND (NOR)
Blog Referee Observer: Hagi (GER)

114 Comments:

  1. Very good appointment for Pitana, overall it was deserved.
    About Velasco, well, I explained this choice today. Rizzoli or Velasco for this match.
    There weren't other options.
    Velasco was not excellent, in my opinion, but as long as this is the WC standard... more and more deserved appointment for his assistant referees....

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  2. Deserved appointment for Pitana. Let's hope he does well.

    I was surprised by Carballo. Not because I didn't count him for a QF but I expected Rizzoli here. Let's hope he can manage this match.

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  3. Hopefully Carballo will manage dissent better at this time. That's all in this game. Good luck to both crews.

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  4. Wonder if Pitana will keep his FIFA badge on this time during the game!

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  5. Now we have only 5 matches (I don't consider third place final).
    2 quarterfinals, 2 semifinals and the final.
    Some safe bets should be: Cakir, Rizzoli, Irmatov, Webb (if they want to appoint him again) and the name for NED - CRC.
    Then, a bit more difficult to pair them with the exact match :)

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  6. To be honest I rather hope we won't see too many "broken legs" in BRA COL. I hope Velasco keeps control and succeeds with his calm style, which the match can benefit from a lot - but there is always a risk. Pitana came totally expected.

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    1. I hope especially we can see some nice play. Velasco, in his last game, sacrificed fluidity to obtain control.

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    2. No broken leg, just a broken lumbar vertebra.

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  7. Pitana deserves it, despite his error in HON-SUI. But Carballo? I don't like his style. If his card selection is the same like in URU-ENG we can only pray for a fair game.

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  8. The problem about these appointments is IMO, that Rizzoli and Cakir (who were both possible for these matches) still "must" get a match. Also Webb normally should get a third match. Therefore there is not much space for the top performers Gassama, Vera and Aguilar, who did not get a knoockout game so far. Also the experienced Rodiriguez and Irmatov are still in the run for a further match.
    So, too many candidates for the remaining 6 matches.
    Furthermore, I think, it is not optimal to give someone directly a semifinal or even the final without previous knockout match.
    My personal solution would be to drop Rizzoli (not realistic...) and appoint
    ARG-BEL: Cakir
    NED-CRC: Gassama or Vera
    Semifinals: Webb and Aguilar or Rodriguez
    3rd place: Williams or Shukralla (to satisfy AFC)
    Final: Geiger or Kuipers or Ricci (depending on match)

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  9. First of all,I notice that Eriksson was appointed as 4th official. That can mean that he wouldn't have other matches, like Brych.
    As regards BRA-COL, I think Carballo is a risky solution. We can only hope there will be no "Nishimura's penalty". But his card selection was below expectations in URU-ENG, I remember in the report was written that "he losses the control of the match between minutes 30-90". So, I can't understand this choice. So, there are 5 important matches (and the 3rd place final).
    I think that Busacca will appoint referees chosen in this short list: Rizzoli, Irmatov, Cakir, Webb, Geiger, Kuipers, Ricci.
    So, NED-CRC could be the easiest match. Ricci? Irmatov? For ARG-BEL I think the referee could be Cakir.
    Semifinal 1: CONMEBOL vs UEFA. So Irmatov following the confederation's rule, otherwise Rizzoli.
    Semifinal 2: I think it could be UEFA vs CONCACAF, or UEFA vs UEFA. This seems to be the semifinal for Webb.
    Third place final: Gassama or Geiger
    Final: If COL wins against BRA, Ricci. Otherwise Cakir or Irmatov.

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    1. I think its for sure that ref teams that get a 1/4 will not be candidates for the (semi) final. So Velasco is out.

      That means that IMHO Cakir and Rizzoli will not have a 1/4 match and will go the (Semi)final selection.

      Kuipers can only hope that NL wont get through.

      NED-CRC could be done by Irmatov.

      ARG-BEL could be Vera.

      Im afraid that Bussaca and Co will not take a risk with appointing Geiger again. The stakes are too high and he failed the test.

      As it stands now Cakir my prediction for the final..... and he deserves it!!!!

      Regards
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    2. Nowadays it's probably that referees who get a 1/4 don't have semifinals and finals. But in WC2010 Irmatov was appointed in ARG-GER (Quarterfinal) and in URU-NED (Semifinal).
      Vera would break the confed's rule. Another time for Argentina..
      As regards final: Cakir probably deserves it for his performances. And also his appointment for BRA-MEX (after Nishimura's PK for Brazil) probably means that Busacca trusts him. But Brazil didn't like him in BRA-MEX (he was very good IMHO) and his name would be another time UEFA's referee for WC final.
      As regards Geiger, Matuidi's YC was an empashized mistake, Therefore he could be out of final.
      Irmatov in NED-CRC could mean that Busacca will protect him, appointing him in a quite easy match, in order to test the Uzbek's team.
      Kuipers is very difficult for final, NED probably will win on CRC.
      If FIFA will chose a final referee outside UEFA, due to geopolitical, who will they appoint?

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    3. In 2006, Horacio Elizondo officiated the final after officiating a QF. So, I think it's still possible to appoint a referee who was in charge of a QF for the final. I think that the best fit is Cakir. He is IMO the best referee at this world cup.

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  10. OT: Has one of you watched the Copa America 2011 and still has memories of some matches and the performances of the Referees? I have one/two scenes where I would be thrilled to hear your opinions. Videos are available of course.

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  11. ARG-BEL: Rizzoli, 4th: Williams
    NED-CRC: Irmatov, 4th: Doue

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  12. Superb Pitana so far. Three correctly rejected penalty appeals, full control, no need to whistle a Hummels' little push before the goal.

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    1. Several borderline situations in penalty areas. Pitana is consistent, he wants something more to whistle a penalty. Acceptable decision.

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    2. In my opinion, the foul for the free kick which led to the German goal was a very dubious call. Minimal contact. I've watched the replay 4 times.

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    3. Looked like a penalty when the german player was clearly held in the shirt.

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  13. Any chance of Kuipers for the Final?

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  14. Some strange foul / no-foul calls in second half, but he remained cool and correctly rejected fourth penalty appeal at the beginning of the second half. Not the best assistants though - at least one mistake by each of them. Overall, good performance from Argentinian trio.

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  15. Good job by this CONMEBOL ref. On top of the play, cards only when needed and good player management.

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  16. Agreed on the points mentioned by you. Consistent line (for my taste too many whistles at times though), good control and player management, good card approach, but missing distinction between fouls and NO fouls. Moreover his assistant referees did not have their best days. Good performance (maybe 8.4-8.5-level, 8.2 for the ARs).

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    1. One remark after checking all situations: top-class no-flag from Maidana (80:58, and a very good one also at 33:05) significantly brightens his performance.

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  17. Indeed, very good performance by Pitana, in a match complicated only by the high number of penalty situations. Could we see him further?

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  18. Fernandinho seems unbookable. Five fouls against Chile and yet again hard play against Colombia but no yellow card.

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  19. No comment on Velasco's player and conflict management in 24'. Unbelievably unclever.

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  20. Can't believe the management at 24'.

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  21. Agree, awful management at 24'. And an invisible foul at 36'; did I miss something, or was that a perfectly clean ball control by Fernandinho?

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    1. He called dangerous play and not a foul on that occasion. That's normal.
      Besides, he's awful in player management as always. Never handles or prevents dissent.

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    2. At 45', was that a "verbal" warning or a staring contest?

      Many fouls targeting Neymar and Rodgriguez; he needs to be careful to protect the key players.

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    3. Both players feet were high and both players aim were to play the ball. But his control of the game and player management is below average...

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  22. This foul by Zuniga isn't at least YC?
    Well, I'm speechless.

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    1. Fernandinho and Zuniga should have been booked by now. Trainers change the players who are not performing well. Can we do the same for Velasco? :P I believe Moen would do better...

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  23. Same old Velasco. No player management, no cards where there is absolutely needed couple, players running from distance to tell, dissent dissent dissent. Too many fouls etc. I'm sorry but velasco is always the same.

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  24. This situation at 24': The right thing would be to whistle it back and say a few words to defuse the situation. Instead, the continue playing behind his back and he does not object. Unacceptable.
    I don't know why Fernandinho is not booked. Once again four+ fouls including two of the rougher sort. No YC. Same for the Zuniga knee-challenge at 45'.
    As I feared: Too lenient, but at least no grave errors yet.

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  25. That Colombian free kick: there was no way that wall was back 10 yards. Neymar also broke very early. Should have been re-taken.

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    1. https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/859173657.jpg?1404506785

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    2. There's the visual proof. Awful refereeing by the Spaniard thus far.

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  26. FIFA, BRA and COL knew what they would get with this referee. At least nobody will be banned for the semifinals with a second yc in the tournament thanks to this card refusing approach. Poor performance.

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  27. 31' - CLEAR RED CARD FOR VIOLENT CONDUCT MISSED !!! (Teofilo Gutierrez deliberately kicks David Luiz)

    45' - at least yellow card missed for studs-up-on-Hulk's knee attack (Camilo Zuniga)...

    No comment about his disciplinary control...

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    1. I missed this scene at 31', Hubert. Are you sure? Was that away from the ball?

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    2. Brazilian clearly won the ball and was deliberately kicked in a hip. No way, it was NOT fight for the ball...

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    3. I will rewatch this scene.

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    4. kicked in a hip from behind*

      thanks, FIFA!

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    5. No RC for me, the correct was YC

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    6. No, I believe this was the scene right before Luiz's run. Indeed a kick to the hip, but not a VC, more like an attempt of SPA. Still a YC though.

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    7. No chance to play the ball. No fight for the ball. Kick in a hip, where the ball was never positioned. Kick from behind targeted on the opponent. I can't see a room for yellow card here, but ok... as you want :)

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  28. Really surprised he got this game especially after past performances ie the Eng v Uruguay game.

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  29. The man management is just embarrassing. At 38' and 45', Carballo just stares at the player, hoping to get a message across.

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  30. 62 minutes, 40 fouls, 0 cards!

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  31. Velasco dropped his FIFA badge.

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    1. Maybe the badge had a good idea of the performance of its owner...

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  32. What Velasco is doing there has little to do with refereeing. Unbelievable what starting YC he chose.

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  33. Correct flag in my opinion here, Yepes was active.

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  34. Velasco is just incredible. His demeanor is equal to that of an autist. He has no body language, player management and barely speaks with players. Just look how he dealt with the dissent from the Colombian players after the disallowed goal - stoneface, no expression or words. It might pass in Spain, but not anywhere else. Absolutely unbelievable.

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  35. Poor velasco. Soft free kick for second goal.

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  36. Penalty correct, RC?

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  37. Penalty and YC.
    YC seems acceptable due to ball position. David Luiz was there, but... RC might have been appropriate too. Your thoughts?

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    1. I'm happy with only a YC, as there is doubt about whether the attacker could have retained possession.

      Although, interestingly, one replay showed that Carballo had his whistle in his mouth a few seconds before contact was made.

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    2. To be prepared for a whistle if AR1 had flagged offside. YC ok for me.

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    3. For me RC, Luiz would have been unable to do anything.
      BTW: For me there was no active position by Yepes before the disallowed goal.

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  38. What is a DOGSO if this is not?

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  39. Bacca gets the touch and plays the ball over Julio Cesar, meaning that he has virtually no legal way of stopping him. We therefore have to consider whether or not Bacca would have reached the ball if Julio Cesar wasn't there. In my opinion he would, meaning this is a clear case of DOGSO.

    I also note how Velasco uses the Fox 40 Sonik Blast CMG, probably the best whistle in the world (also in my opinion :P )

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  40. I can't believe how Fernandinho and Zuniga ended the game without booking... At least they should have been sent off twice...

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  41. I must be honest. Nothing against Velasco Carballo of course, but this was in my opinion the worst performance in the whole WC until now.
    I can excuse Nishimura, Roldàn and all the other referees who committed single mistakes. But a performance like this was rarely seen, at least to my eyes.
    Apart from the leniency, for which Busacca and the committee are responsible, too often during the match I noticed a referee at the mercy of players: everything was allowed. The prevention was never used. Communication was difficult. Just whistling fouls and making gestures. This is really terrible. Sorry, said with all the respect for the officials involved. But this is not my style...

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    1. Chefren, I totally agree with you. When I see how Nichimura or Roldàn or or Mazic and even Irmatov are criticized, this is even worse. Horrific card selection, no control of the game at all. I'll have to rewatch the "1-1" though.
      For me 6.9. And yes, maybe no grave errors. His whole performance was one big error.

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    2. I'm with you Chefren. I kept waiting all game for something truly horrendous to happen. Thankfully it was BRA-COL and NED of 2010 wasn't involved. The only reason this game didn't completely spiral out of control was because of the players' fear at missing the semifinal. It had nothing to do with Velasco. At the very least it was the worst knockout round performance. At least his near-side assistant did well with the offside calls against COL in the second half.

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    3. UEFA refs always have trouble in an all south american match-up. Same as BRA-CHI , they have a hard time adjusting to players' idiosyncrasy. If there wasn't that much horse trading within FIFA, today's refs could have been reversed, Pitana with the south american style, managing constant dissent and whining, as he does in Argentina and Libertadores. Velasco with his european style could have done GER-FRA This will only happen in my dreams!!

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  42. BRA-GER seems to be a difficult SF. Who can be the fittest referee?
    However I agree with Chefren. Mark for Velasco? 7.4?

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  43. BTW: What was that YC for Yepes for? Dissent? A foul?

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  44. This referee is a great joke, i'm not surprised by your performance, also he's bad in Champion's League...

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  45. I think that Velasco is the worst referee in the WC! Busacca go home please!
    Bra-Ger to Aguilar? Eriksson? Or Cakir, but i hope him for the final!

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    1. For BRA-GER is fundamental a top class referee. So Irmatov was in USA-GER, whereas Brasil didn't like Cakir and Webb. Really I don't know. It could be:
      BRA-GER Geiger/Eriksson
      SF2 Cakir
      F3 Webb
      F1 Irmatov

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    2. Federico, you think Geiger will get another game? I have my doubts after the missed RC to Matuidi.

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  46. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-jnTvHw4UM

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    1. OK, reckless, but borderline to VC. For me it is more YC, but of course you can also give a RC.

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  47. a few comments from a person of rugby - watch / assess referees at a high level - these would be what would go on a report on management
    - a potentially difficult match in atmosphere and result
    - would need to be 100% in command from the start but would have to be careful with his early cards - leaves you nowhere to go as the game develops
    - however was far too lenient for too long - it was very clear that the game became unstable towards the second quarter and the brake needed to be out on firmly as there were far too many silly fouls
    - there appeared to be little preventative refereeing being done through any kind of communication especially verbal
    - YCs when produced were for minor offences considering what was going on - was the 2nd goal free kick actually one
    - a definite penalty - another referee would have given a RC but could not complain at the YC as Luiz was very close
    - ARs seemed to get there decisions correct

    a disappointing performance considering the importance of the game - needed firmer control much earlier - akthough it could be said it was an enthralling game to watch and 22 players were on the field at the end - produced without notes taken

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  48. What is you opinion on the disallowed Columbia goal at 66'?

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  49. Well, as we arrgued before: FIFA wanted to give Brazil an easy entrance to the half-finals by Busacca appointing politically, but not according to the abilities of referees. That is the reason, why Brych (and Mazic, by the way) for instance is sent home - he openly criticized the new FIFA order showing cards much later as being an invitation to rough play - that information was given about an interview of Brych in a newspaper, which I could not find, so it?s only a rumour... but wouldn`t surprise me at all.
    The point is: FIFA has to react quickly and clear after this tournament and even now. What we saw today in the 2nd match was nothing but the international football-association giving up its own ŕules of fairplay to the benefit of the "flow" in the game, a "so called" referee, who should be banned for lifetime, who refused to guard the bodies of the players, who allowed anarchy in the field.
    If FIFA continues that way, we will loose all technical players we love so much and football will losse it?s face, it`c charcter we all try to protect, one better, one worse, BUT WE ALL TRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    What the hell happens, when young referees see their heroes, well known international referees defining a new game of gladiators with hunting scenes against those, who are technically better, but do not have a HULK-body. Do we want to Loose Neymar?
    HE is in hospital now and let us pray he is not forever injured.
    THIS is the result of the scandalous line by FIFA and Busacca, who should be sent home immediately with a one-way-ticket!!!
    Guys, we need a real strong international action of referees now AGAINST those functioneers, who SACRIFICE fair-play and violate the character of our beloved sport!
    I am angry, and I am sad. I am not sure, if this is still the game i love so much. Andy

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    1. Just a wee bit hyperbolic there, perhaps?

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    2. Wow! Harsh, but so true and yes, very sad. I don't recognize the refereeing as it was some years ago. Every individual wants to force a group of his subordinate referees to referee in a way the boss likes it. It's really bad, but performances (not even all those serious mistakes, but overall aproach) are something I really hate last times. The line to let the game flow as much as possible has been shifted too much in direction of allowing brutal, rough and malicious play. The only guilty of this are FIFA and UEFA referees' committees members. The only victims are players, who play fair, clear football. They are fouled by cunning cheaters who well know what is allowed and what will go without a card in some phase of the match. They use it to foul key players, to mark their hard way of playing, to unfairly gain an advantage from being more brutal than others!

      We often say the referee shouldn't spoil a game with a card. Nope, those are players, who should know the LoTG and adapt to them, not picking unnecessary cards. Now, we have psychologists instead of referees and lack of proper punishments for SPAs, reckless tackles and violent conducts is too much visible to be tolerated.

      I also have a feeling it's not the same game, nor the same rules I love so much. We have enough awful injuries, but from the other side we have enough divers who fall like sacks of potatoes to win a penalty or free kick. Neither rough play nor simulations are NOT properly dealt with by FIFA/UEFA. The same people only talk and talk, create new instructions and refereeing is from season to season worse. Move your as**s and take action against divers, ban them after the match for two games. Let the referees handle the games as they are able to do it, not forcing them to applying stupid instructions. I read the uniformity was planned for this WC. Well, I don't see it. I see one poor refereeing (with some exceptions).

      Niclas will write it in more balanced and smart way for sure, but some things must be said. I just wait for post-WC analyses...

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    3. :-)
      May be, but I am really angry, many others are, too, and we all have reason.

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    4. Phrases like "so called" referee, who should be banned for lifetime" don't have any place in that blog. Watch your language please.

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    5. As far as we heard, UEFA's committee is everything but content with refereeing in Brazil (to formulate it diplomatically). The main "culprits" are Mr Blatter and Busacca including his team and we should not merge these responsibilities. Though I have to say all these 25 referees had the chance to filter these instructions and referee matches their way. Risking that they would be sent home early, of course.

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  50. only 5 minutes additional time in second half is also a joke from Velasco Carballo. I would give 7 or 8 minutes because of the penalty and the neymar-injury...

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  51. having been 'the Busacca' in another sport (handball) for many years, I can have some sympathy for the difficulty of the job and the political pressure he must be under; but the refereeing in this World Cup is a disaster for the image of football; and it cannot be that several of the very top referees from all the big games in recent years suddenly have become inadequate; this must have something to do with confusion and uncertainty caused by improper instructions; and if a top referee has one mediocre game, it cannot be reasonable that he is suddenly discarded and considered unsuitable; also, I dislike the obsession many observers have with 'counting errors'; yes, of course, it must be an objective to minimize the number of mistakes; but surely it matters more if the game is under control due to strong game management and good player relations!? finally, the insistence on using referees from neutral continents is an absurdity!

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  52. Speaking of Neymar injury. Reportedly, he has a fractured vertebra. This puts Cabrallo's abysmal refereeing and his profound failure to control the game and to issue mandatory YC on numerous occasions into a whole new perspective.

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  53. I can't see any intention in Zuniga's foul against Neymar. Zuniga runs behind him, both players are looking up for the ball, then Neymar immediately stops and Zuniga has nearly no time to react and hits him with his knee in the back. But the movement of his leg his still the normal running movement, no kicking. So the foul is at most reckless, but mainly accidental and unlucky for me.
    Therefore I don't think you can blame the referee for it, IMO something like this can happen in any match.
    Furthermore I don't think we can take this match as an example for the refereeing problems at the tournament. This was the first match were the match control was a major problem. Before the points of criticism were either crucial mistakes or the card management. But in previous matches, the referees still kept control and the players did not play unfair (except single situations), even when cards were missing.

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  54. What i don't understand is why Velosco doens't talk. He is from spain and therefore he can talk Spanish. So do the colombian players. It's strange that there is no communication with the players at all. He only looks at them like he wants to make the players terrified with his looks. Let's see what FIFA will do.

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  55. To resume it all in a nutshell:

    http://vimeo.com/99967440
    http://vimeo.com/99967704

    and something funny :D
    http://vimeo.com/99965665

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    1. Roughly translating: belly to belly, nose to nose and a scaring (that strange face follows).

      It's from Polish comedian's sketch and nicely illustrate Velasco Carballo's (non-)verbal warnings during the match. :D

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    2. After the explanation: Yes :D

      Thanks. :)

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  56. Report will be uploaded later on or tomorrow. Marks are 6.9/8.7/8.4.

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    1. Maybe we are the only ones being so critical against Spaniard. ;) Of course, if it's not just another media bullsh*t:

      http://www.marca.com/2014/07/05/futbol/mundial/1404513346.html

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    2. I have not the slightest of doubts that FIFA is happy with his performance. But I don't care about that at all.

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    3. And it's a very positive thing! :)

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    4. If the FIFA is happy: Sorry, the I have no words.
      Thanks for the 6.9. The only possible mark for me. As I said before maybe no "crucial errors". But his whole performance was one crucial error.

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    5. I don't see the same match Mr. Busacca...If Velasco referring a final, i'm a best referee of the world x) !

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  57. Velasco is a referee who basis his authority on strict cardmanagement and application of LotG. And we all know he hasnt got the greatest personality as man in the middle. By appointing him in this match Bussaca sent him in to a warzone without any weapons and his hands tied behind his back.

    So I blame Bussaca more for this disaster than Velasco. The only weapon he had was foul detection even when there was no foul...

    If rumors are true that Blatter personally is involved in referee appointments... we are approaching the stage of possible conflict of interest and opens the door for perception of corruption.

    If rumors are true that national FA's can influence the appointments of referee teams... I find that totally unacceptable.

    To be clear, I think yesterdays performance of Velasco was a disaster... But I cant blame him... he was a one man army and some one else took his weapons away.

    Regards

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    1. As I suggested yesterday, the problem is more with FIFA and Busacca than with Velasco. It is true that Velasco does not belong in the World Cup, but he did not nominate himself for this game and he knows what is wanted from him. FIFA wants to keep the 'big' teams happy and they do not want many cards. They know which referees BRA, ARG and some others want and do not want. It would be naïve to think that Blatter, Villar, Grondona and others do not influence nominations. So Velasco's performance, the cynical fouls, and the atmosphere which contributed to the (unpunished) injury of Neymar is the culmination of FIFA's methods and attitudes. One might fear that the worst is yet to come in terms of biases, crazy nominations and ugly games...

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    2. True.

      @ RC Referee: I can only partly agree with you. Yes, there is a clear responsibility for the mess Velasco made to be found in the FIFA Refereeing Department - no doubt. But matches like the UEL final 2011, Poland-Greece or Dortmund-Napoli have clearly shown that Velasco is lacking in player management, communication and is no personality who is able to succeed in conflict management. You cannot send such a referee into a South American duel involving the home nation.

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    3. Niclas we agree 100%. My (sarcastic) point is that I cant blame Stevie Wonder being blind..... I blame his manager when he sends him to a dart match....

      Regards
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    4. Excellent image. Hits the point.

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  58. In my opinion the push where Neymar gets injured is clearly reckless and at least yellow. If the intensity of the push was a little higher, it would be SFP. Neymar is completely unaware of the challenge from behind.

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