December 7, 2014

Champions League 2014/15 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 6 (Tuesday)

Belarusian Aleksei Kulbakov will make his UEFA Champions League bow at Estádio da Luz being the showplace of SL Benfica - Bayer Leverkusen in Group C. Meanwhile, William Collum will handle one of the most important matches of Tuesday evening when Juventus Turin will fight for the runners-up place in Group A against Atlético Madrid. The Scottish will be assessed by the only UEFA Referee Committee member of the evening, Nikolay Levnikov. Find all appointments placed below.



09/12/2014, 20:45 CET
Georgios Karaiskakis, Piraeus (GRE)
Olympiakos - Malmö FF
Referee: Stéphane Lannoy (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Michael Annonier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Laurent Stien (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Antony Gautier (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Olivier Thual (FRA)
Fourth Official: Hicham Zakrani (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stefan Ormandjiev (BUL)
UEFA Delegate: Christian Mutschler (SUI)
Blog Referee Observer: Nur (ENG)

09/12/2014, 20:45 CET Juventus Stadium, Turin (ITA)
Juventus Turin - Atlético Madrid
Referee: William Collum (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: Damien Macgraith (IRL)
Assistant Referee 2: Graham Chambers (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Robert Madden (SCO)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Kevin Clancy (SCO)
Fourth Official: Alastair Mather (SCO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolay Levnikov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Charles Schaack (LUX)
Blog Referee Observer: Niclas (GER)

09/12/2014, 20:45 CET
Anfield Road, Liverpool (ENG)
Liverpool FC - FC Basel
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin E.J. Zeinstra (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Richard Liesveld (NED)
Fourth Official: Angelo Boonman (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Christian Kofoed (DEN)
Blog Referee Observer: Gitzlo (AUT)

09/12/2014, 20:45 CET
Estadio Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid - Ludogorets
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Frédéric Cano (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Fredy Fautrel (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Nicolas Rainville (FRA)
Fourth Official: Philippe Jeanne (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alfredo Trentalange (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Panagiotis Chatzialexiou (GER)
Blog Referee Observer: Edward (GRE)

09/12/2014, 20:45 CET
Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON)
AS Monaco - Zenit St Petersburg
Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Robert Vukan (SVN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Ponis (SVN)
Fourth Official: Andraž Kovacic (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Guy Goethals (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Michel Pralong (SUI)
Blog Referee Observer: Maxi R (GER)

09/12/2014, 20:45 CET
Estádio da Luz, Lisbon (POR)
SL Benfica - Bayer Leverkusen
Referee: Aleksei Kulbakov (BLR)
Assistant Referee 1: Andrei Hetsikau (BLR)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleh Maslianka (BLR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Siarhei Tsynkevich (BLR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Dzianis Shcharbakou (BLR)
Fourth Official: Dmitry Zhuk (BLR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jan Fasung (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Steve Stride (ENG)
Blog Referee Observer: Chefren (ITA)

09/12/2014, 20:45 CET
Ali Sami Yen Spor Kompleksi, Istanbul (TUR)
Galatasaray - Arsenal FC
Referee: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Raúl Cabañero Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: José Fernández Miranda (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Fernando Teixeira Vitienes (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Teodoro Sobrino Magán (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Dusko Grabovac (CRO)
Blog Referee Observer: Niclas (GER)

09/12/2014, 20:45 CET
Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund (GER)
Borussia Dortmund - RSC Anderlecht
Referee: Alberto Undiano Mallenco (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Pau Cebrián Devis (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Alejandro Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Victoriano Díaz Casado (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rodger Gifford (WAL)
UEFA Delegate: Patrick Wattebled (FRA)
Blog Referee Observer: Nikitas (GRE)

105 Comments:

  1. Anonymous7/12/14 10:33

    Farewell match for Lannoy in Greece then.

    /Swedish observer

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    1. Anonymous7/12/14 10:45

      Its time!

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    2. Anonymous7/12/14 11:12

      I really disagree with that statement. Lannoy has had a great career in my eyes, with one World cup and a Euro semifinal in 2012 to just pick two examples. Sure he has been a bit more up and down the last years, but that is probably very much related to his injuries, ie bad luck. He has been a solid elite referee from my point of view and can leave his distinguished international career with his head held high.

      /Swedish observer

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    3. In my opinion, Lannoy was mentally never stable enough on the field of play. He was solid in some games, that is true. At EURO 2012 he was one of the better referees and got a deserved semifinal. But with 2 performances in the group stage which were in 8.3-area. Because some other candidates for the K.O. stage failed and made media-relevant errors (Kassai, Stark, Velasco, maybe even Kuipers) and because others were out of consideration due to their national teams (Rizzoli, Proenca).

      However, some of his matches will stay in my mind as e.g. the worst refereed match of the whole World Cup 2010 (BRA-CIV) and the worst refereed Champions League match (BAR-MCI) of the whole 2013/14 season and maybe even of the whole last years.

      I honestly agree with anonymous, time has come.

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    4. I think that one should always respect a so experienced official FIFA referee which is about to retire. You are right about certain arguments, but don't forget that we are nobody, compared to them. I don't know you, but I'm referee in amateur level and I have a big admiration for all the UEFA officials who reached the top.
      You can say that he had some dark periods, but all of us had that.
      Hence, in my opinion is wrong to say that time has come for a retirement.
      Yes, time has come, however we are in the condition to learn many things from people like Lannoy. Honestly speaking, I dare to say that having such career (including all the mistakes and so on), would be still a honor for me. Each performance can be discussed, each mistake has a reason. But a call at World Cup and Euro tournaments, are dreams for us. I hope you will get my point of view.

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    5. Anonymous7/12/14 16:03

      Very idealistic point, Referee. Agreed with much. But a simple matter doesn't suit: Everybody knows Lannoy was at WC 2010 only (!!), really only because of being French. That's an open secret.

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    6. Anonymous7/12/14 16:44

      France has had aways strange politics in relation to top referees. Which was really strange, was nomination of Eric Poulat to WC 2006. Lannoy remained elite referee till last days of his international career but he didn't get top matches. (The same attitude for Stark but not for Benquerenca and I couldn't see such difference between Lannoy and Benquerenca.)
      Facts are facts (BRA - CIV) but I have sympathy with opinions of /Swedish observer and Referee here.
      Regards.
      P.L.

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    7. Of course I get your point of view and I widely agree with you, referee. We often enough emphasized how difficult the job we are blogging and talking about is, no doubt about that. This includes respect for the personalities on the pitch and their achievements as well.

      What I was commenting on is the referee (!) Stéphane Lannoy, who is a professional Elite referee. He belongs to the pros and should be measured as such and should be measured with the comparable. My criticism is that - just in my subjective opinion - he was rarely and maybe never up to his colleagues who belong to the same category. I can be heavily wrong, for sure.

      Another point is that we are not running this blog to discuss about referees and their performances with velvet gloes, but in a fair and independent way. This includes that "admiration" should not refrain us from saying what we think.

      In the end we should not forget either that, even though refereeing has management elements, refereeing is part of sports. Athletes are measured by their performance AT THE MOMENT. If Usain Bolt runs the 100m only in 10 seconds next year nobody will care about what he achieved in the past. If someone like Proenca practically loses control and makes too many mistakes in almost every UEFA match he was assigned to over the last 1-2 years, this is not changed by the circumstance that he was great in 2012. Systemical errors are something different from individual errors - that's what I criticize. This does not reduce the respect I have for these athletes though.

      I remember that back in February or March, when Lannoy had his horrible Camp Nou night, UEFA strongly thought about forcing him to retire in the summer. These were rumours, I don't know how true that was. In the end we saw that they decided to give him 3 "low-profile" CL games. Furthermore a mere look at his palmarès and future chances within UEFA show that there was not much space upwards (but rather downwards).

      So I think that, yes, now it's the right time to retire for Lannoy. But respect for referees is one of the core intentions of this blog, so if you had the impression that I lacked it in my words, I regret that.

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  2. Now it is almost sure Velasco Carballo will he observed by Batta in Rome

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    1. Probably - or he is in London (Chelsea!).
      I rather expect Moen in Rome and Marciniak / Sidiropoulos in Maribor. But we'll see :)

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    2. Complete predictions / possible appointments in my eyes:

      BAY-CSK: Benquerenca
      ROM-MCI: Moen
      BAR-PSG: Atkinson
      AJA-APO: Vad or Karasev
      NKM-S04: Sidiropoulos or Marciniak
      CHE-SPO: Velasco
      POR-SHA: Marciniak or Vad
      ATH-BAT: Orsato, Vad or s.o. unexpected


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    3. You are probably right, Niclas! I didn,t consider Velasco refereed Shalke-Maribor so it,s possible he has now the other two teams in the same group.

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    4. Anonymous7/12/14 11:31

      I'm almost sure that Stark will be appointed in this MD.

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  3. Anonymous7/12/14 11:00

    Collum in such an important clash? Oh my god...

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    1. Collum had some good games in the past few weeks, e.g. ROM-HUN.

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    2. Anonymous7/12/14 22:04

      In AUT-BRA he was the worst referee I have ever seen. And I know what I am saying now.

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    3. Yes, indeed that was not a good performance. But just because of a bad game he shall not referee others? If we would use this approach, we would have no referees.

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    4. In 2014 Collum was not at his best (in St Petersburg, Lyon, Vienna, Nicosia...). But he is talented and hopefully he shows his potential Tuesday night.

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    5. Anonymous8/12/14 06:50

      I was thinking Mark Clattenburg for this match. His quality is well known and this match could use someone with his style. Also he didn't get a match in the premier league this past weekend so I would expect to see him MD 6

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  4. Anonymous7/12/14 13:33

    You will not see Carballo in Rome, at least not next week. Surprising appointment. One of the refs we sow in the MD 5.

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    1. In fact we thought of Kassai last days. Batta would make some sense there.

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    2. Then, only Kassai or Mazic would be the more suitable choices considering the difficulty of the match. A not elite referee, like Bebek, would be a very risky decission by Uefa

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    3. Anonymous7/12/14 14:49

      Good thinking.

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    4. Anonymous7/12/14 14:53

      Thank to God, we wont see Velasco.

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    5. Anonymous7/12/14 15:09

      If you are true Anonymous, my guess is Kassai.

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    6. Anonymous7/12/14 16:03

      Anonymous 1 to Anonymus 2: Why Kassai? Don't want to say it will be him or the other one, but why do you prefer (or guess) Kassai? There must be a reason...

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  5. Anonymous7/12/14 16:22

    What do you think who will be in Young boys Bern - Sparta ?

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    1. I could imagine Soares Dias or Oliver.

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  6. I have my views on the Lannoys and Velascos etc., but I find the broader issue more interesting. We should not put referees on a pedestal just because they are the top level or once were very good. We must realize that FIFA and UEFA make honest (and not so honest) mistakes in promoting referees who do not have the right capacity or talent. (By 'not so honest' I mean purely 'geopolitical' reasons or favoritism). And it also happens that referees who deserved promotions do not continue to grow or alternatively stagnate after having reached a high level. The latter sometimes happens when then no longer have the chance to get to a World Cup or Euro, and it is dangerous when they lose motivation and drive. So for me the concern is when FIFA and UEFA do not have the courage to admit a mistake and remove someone who should not have been promoted or is going downhill from a good level. This is bad primarily for the teams but also for all referees and other observers who want to see top referees as models. A final point, we as observers make these judgments and comments, we must guard against overemphasizing individual mistakes in individual games. Instead we should focus much more on frequent mistakes over time and, above all, on the lack of PERSONALITY to LEAD games at the highest level.

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    1. I strongly agree with every sentence.

      And I would like to add: losses of intrinsic but also extrinsic movitation can also happen if you e.g. appoint the same referee for two huge finals within one month and then don't pay extra-attention to this referee. Or if you fast-track promote a referee to Elite, give him an UCL semifinal and UEL final in his very first year and then wonder why he loses motivation. What I want to say...it's also about management off the pitch.

      One element which is planned in the blog focuses on your last paragraph: Referee Profiles with Strengths and Points for Consideration/Improvement for each referee from Elite to ideally large parts of First Group. I hope we can contribute to improving the structural / systematical errors we often see at the highest level by that.

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    2. Niclas, I am very happy to hear about your plans for the profiles! I know it is human nature that we find it easier to use a 'microscope' to scrutinize mistakes in observations or judgment, and to debate whether someone deserves 8.1 or 8.3; it is more uncomfortable to 'attack' the personal traits and qualities of someone, but the reality is that in refereeing this is what matters more than anything else!

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  7. Anonymous7/12/14 17:56

    I must congratulate the work of this blog because here I find outstanding discussions about refereeing, I'm speecheless. It is not enough to say thanks, this is surely a top level community on internet.

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  8. Anonymous7/12/14 23:23

    Who will be demoted for Mateu in Elite?

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  9. Anonymous8/12/14 01:16

    One other question to ask is:
    If you were to UEFA Refereeing Officer, whom would you DEMOTED to First Group this December?
    For me, only one: Carlos Velasco Carballo
    All the other referee can stay Elite
    My prognosis: promotion for Antonio Mateu Lahoz, Deniz Aytekin, Clément Turpin and Szymon Marciniak (and maybe for Ivan Bebek)

    Regards

    RPC

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    1. Anonymous8/12/14 10:11

      Bebek's promotion is a clear one for me. I would promote Bebek, Lahoz, Marciniak and Karasev.

      For Turpin it is really too early in my opinion. (same counts for Sidir.....you know :-))

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    2. I think, Thomson and Fernandez (or Velasco) should be demoted.

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  10. Here is a brief overview on a handful of officials whose promotion to Elite would make some sort of sense. Starting off with the youngest, 32-years old Clement Turpin (FRA) made his debut in the group stages of the CL this year and showed performances on expected level. He certainly is a promising talent. The Pole Szymon Marciniak (33) also made his bow this season and delivered performances on a very good level. He officiated also an EL match in which he shined with his application of the laws. Ovidiu Hategan (34) from Romania showed solid performances in two easy CL matches so far. Matej Jug, 34-years old promising talent from Slovenia, was somehow not able to show his class so far having too many mistakes in the disciplinary control in recent games. The same goes for the Russian referee Sergei Karasev, whose undoubtable potential - I recall his excellent performance at Hannover 96 vs. Śląsk Wrocław or in M'Gladbach against Lazio in recent years -unfortunately did not outweigh the crucial mistakes he made this season. Istvan Vad (35 y, HUN) had a decent season so far and has certainly closed the gap to his compatriot Kassai. 35-years old Greece Sidiropoulos had a good start into his CL career but his inconsistent performance in Manchester revealed that he yet has to gain some experience. Someone who has made his way to the top slowly but steadily is the German official Deniz Aytekin (36). He enjoyed a very good CL season so far and was able to convince with his alertness regarding SFP. Finally, the "oldest" on my list are Ivan Bebek from Croatia who was in charge of three CL matches this season until now and Antonio Mateu Lahoz. Bebek's overall good impression has been blurred by some severe mistakes (Chelsea vs. Schalke, BATE vs. Shakhtar) which lower his chances for a promotion. Lahoz has a unique style of officiating but it served him well this season with a very high acceptance among the players.
    So far, so good. Now, let's take a look at the current Elite group. Three referees have to end their international career because they have reached the age limit, namely Olegário Benquerenca (POR), Stéphane Lannoy (FRA) and Wolfgang Stark (GER) and, thus, new places open up. Also in my humble opinion, there is one official who has to be demoted and leave the Elite group: Velasco Carballo (ESP). His performances in CL qualification and the group stages revealed key weaknesses and were overall disappointing.
    This means for new places in the Elite group. I will only suggest three of them; the fourth call is in my opinion almost impossible to take.
    1. Deniz Aytekin (GER): With his 36 years, he is in the best age for promotion, was consistent over a long period and would deservedly replace Stark.
    2. Szymon Marciniak (POL): It would be a stellar ascent for the young Pole but his very good performances would justify this decision. The fact that he is appointed to a fourth EL/CL fixtures further underlines this suggestion.
    3. Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP): Decent performances in recent times from Lahoz make him a real contender for promotion. His chances are additionally increased by the likely demotion of Carballo.
    4. Number Four is yet to be defined; I cannot see such a big difference between the remaining referees. Some need more experience, others performed disappointing.

    My words of wisdom on this; Cheers!

    P.S. We all do know that Proenca's name on the list of Elite officials is nothing but politics…

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    1. 1. Agree that Aytekin could replace stark, but isn't it better to promote Zwayer who is young and referee with better chances for the future?
      2. Marciniak is a Referee with good performances in past months, but I think you need at least 2 seassons with top performance to be promoted. Although I generally agree that he could be promoted and it would be deserved.
      3. Lahoz could be promoted if some Spanish Referee will be demoted, but I don't think this will be the case.
      4.Severe mistakes by Bebek in BATE-Shakhtar? You mean penalty at the end of the match which UEFA said it was excellent decision by AAR? He had good performances in past few years and one mistake in Chelsea-Schalke shouldn't compromise his chances for promotion

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    2. @ Anonymous: Bebek indeed missed another penalty in BATE-Shakhtar committed by a goalkeeper (should have been a 2nd YC, too). In a UEL match he whistled a foul happening outside the penalty area as penalty and changed his decision after his AR1 told him to do so. Formally this is 7.9 though. So, actually, if marks have not been changed for some purpose, he should have got 3 7.9s in the past few weeks, which would be a bit too much for a promotion. But who knows what his marks really looked like.
      About 1), generally you are right, on the other hand Aytekin has proven to be a good referee in Bundesliga (good performances specially in this season, also in top games) and in Champions League, where all performances were on a really good standard.

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    3. If I am not mistaken, 3 7.9s in a season are enough reason for demotion and not promotion!

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  11. No CL kit for Bulbakov. It didn't arrive in Belarus :)

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  12. Anonymous9/12/14 21:11

    Turpin just gave penalty+red for handball on the line, even though the ball was left for a tap in and was in the net in a maximum of 2 seconds later. A clear possibility to play advantage.

    An interesting situation, what should a referee do. What benefits the team more - a goal or a red card in the 20 min with a chance to score from the spot.

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    1. Anonymous9/12/14 21:16

      20 min, I would rather have a pen + rc.

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    2. reminds me of the UCL final in 05/06.Hauge also failed to detect the possible advantage.He sent off Lehmann.feel sad for the player and the referee.

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  13. Anonymous9/12/14 21:36

    So far, so good for Lannoy in Greece after the first half.

    /Swedish observer

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    1. Is there a penalty appeal by Malmo in Greece?

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    2. Anonymous9/12/14 21:47

      You mean for handball? Have not seen too many replays yet, so I will accept Lannoy's decision there.

      /Swedish observer

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  14. Anonymous9/12/14 21:40

    Overal, a good performance by Collum in the first half. One yellow card missing for a stamp (10'). Three YC correctly issued, but I have a feeling that he didn't want to book Mario Suárez, but did it only because of pressure put on him by Juventus players. The consequence was the third booking that imo would have not been issued if not the second one. Correct no penalty (handball, 19'). Collum not influenced by typical ITA/ESP mobbing. 8.3 for now.

    RP

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    1. Anonymous9/12/14 21:50

      Typical ITA/ESP mobbing on the referee. We have one expert here.

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    2. Anonymous9/12/14 22:50

      Thanks. ;)
      Boring second half. Collum without problems. AR1 with school mistake flagging JUV player for offside (46').

      RP

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    3. I thought the game presented almost no challenges after the first half and especially after 75' min. Pretty much kept the game flowing and under control.

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  15. Anonymous9/12/14 21:41

    Kupers missed clear yellow card in 23. minute. Player Gonzales wanted yellow for his opponent. He is also very far from some situations, Looks like not fit. Not a good first half for Kuipers.

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    1. Anonymous9/12/14 21:47

      Sorry but are u serious? This situation was never a caution, it was in front of AR1, so it is normal that Kuipers is a little bit far away. Perfect First half, great personality.

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    2. Anonymous9/12/14 21:49

      For me also clear yellow in min.23. All the other situations in my opinion no Problem for Kuipers.

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    3. Anonymous9/12/14 21:53

      Yc? What for? Wasnt reckless, did not stop a promissing attack. Normal holding.

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    4. Anonymous9/12/14 22:04

      Red card by Kuipers to Markovic for intentionally trying to hit the opponent in the face.

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    5. Anonymous9/12/14 22:07

      Interesting to see if Kuipers will loose the match in Liverpool now. After the RC. I think its clear, but LFC players are fustrated

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    6. Anonymous9/12/14 22:11

      Agree on the red card. He looks twice to see where the opponent is and then tries to hit him in the face.

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    7. Kuipers had yesterday not his best day.

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  16. Anonymous9/12/14 21:43

    Kuipers with a very good first half in Liverpool.

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  17. Anonymous9/12/14 21:45

    Skomina after half-time-wistle surround by lot of Players for mobbing the referee. Clear yellow card is missing.

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  18. Anonymous9/12/14 21:46

    Penalty for Anderlecht in Dortmund in min.45?? Undiano let play on.

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    1. Not penalty, I think.

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  19. Anonymous9/12/14 22:07

    Kuipers losing all control of the game, & proves once again that he's nothing but overrated, really soft Red Card he gave, wasn't even yellow.

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    1. Anonymous9/12/14 22:10

      I'm sorry but you are a Liverpool fan, not a referee. Great decision, even if he hit the opponent or not; the intention is there.

      He never lost control, good, very good performance till now.

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    2. ' he's nothing but overrated ' ... Are you serious?

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    3. Anonymous9/12/14 22:12

      I should be biased. Sorry. It is a poor performance.

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    4. Anonymous9/12/14 22:12

      Excellent decision ; the non-penalty call!

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    5. Anonymous9/12/14 22:15

      Correct red card, correct no penalty in minute 71...key decisions correctly taken. Overall excellent performance so far imo

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    6. Anonymous9/12/14 22:15

      I know it's intentional, But you can't give a Red Card on that & not even whistling on a dangerous 2 foot tackle a couple of minutes later, he's supposed to be protecting fairness of the game & the players & not encouraging the opposite.

      I am no referee, that is true.. But I've played the game, & know it inside & out.. it seems like Kuipers doesn't.

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    7. Anonymous9/12/14 22:16

      I'm a LFC fan and a Ref, Kuipers have been good, RC card correct, Gerrard pen apeal correct. His main objektiv now is not to be influenced by frustraded lfc players

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    8. Anonymous9/12/14 22:17

      If you are not a referee, you will never understand how much difficult it is.

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    9. Anonymous9/12/14 22:23

      Don't discuss with somebody who says it wasnt even yellow.

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  20. Anonymous9/12/14 22:21

    Yes he should protect the players. That's exactly why he gives a red card to a player that tries to hit his opponent intentionally. Right decision.

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  21. Anonymous9/12/14 22:24

    Did you really see the incident, Markovic looked twice where his opponent was before hitting out... That has nothing to do with making himself wide.

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  22. Marković red card is typical situation where you can easily defend both yellow and red card. He looked on the opponent's position, the act was clearly deliberate and one can take it as violent conduct. To be honest, I 'buy' both arguments and would never criticize Kuipers for issuing a yellow as well as red card. Just correct call.

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    1. Red card of Kuipers too
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      But Markovic is one simple.

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  23. Anonymous9/12/14 22:49

    I agree with Gino. There was no power or speed in the movement of the hand. This can not be seen as hitting out.

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  24. Anonymous9/12/14 23:10

    Absolutely excellent decision by Kuipers: deliberate intention to damage the opponent, looking at him. There was a small touch, but the real intention of Liverpool player was to make a violent conduct This is courage! A referee who doesn't even show a card for that, is wrong.

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  25. Reminiscent of Cakir's decision to send off Nani, 18 months ago.

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  26. Skomina missed clear penalty (83'). Adu's second yellow card in OLY-MAL should have been straight red.

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    1. Very dangerous play for sure. I think either way he got the red card and it stinks to look at it this way but if he didn't already get booked, he would have received red. Interesting night for Skomina in Greece between two teams that really went after it.

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    2. I agree with you, Hubert, on both. Skomina did not have the best visual angle to spot that foul.

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  27. Yes and UEFA have said it was a correct decision, but after this Cakir was out of matches for a very long time...

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  28. There is a big discussion about the red card of Kuipers. So we must say that it's not an obvious RC.

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    1. Not clear mistake either. If there is a controversy, there is not a clear mistake. :)

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    2. OK. Not one obvious red card.

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  29. There is a clear missed fault by Borbalán prior to Arsenal second goal!

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  30. For me, Kuipers' red card was correct and I could not totally accept a yellow card. Markovic is in possession of the ball, his opponent has no chance to reach it. Markovic looks once, looks twice and moves his hand into / towards the face of the opponent. If he had hit him more severely, we would probably not discuss it here and deem it as a clear violent conduct. As for violent conducts, the extent of the conduct does not matter as you all know.
    I cannot consider that as using the arm illegally as a tool (YC). It was used as a weapon and therefore red is the correct choice, in my opinion.

    Kulbakov with an overall good performance from what I saw. Undiano with a potentially missed penalty (foul by Sahin?) at the end of half 1.

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    1. I think that Kuipers indeed had a good match. The red card seemed harsh, but the replays clearly show the hitting movement that the arm deliberately makes. From that moment on, the pressure was increasing on Kuipers but I think he wasn't influenced by that. He didn't whistle a penalty shortly afterwards which was also a correct call: the goal keeper hit the ball first and then the LIV player. All in all, a satisfying performance in a quite challenging match. I think that AR2 Zeinstra missed one tight offside in the beginning of the match, but there were not many replays; also, it did not influence the results since no goal was scored.

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    2. And I don't agree with Rodgers stating in an interview after the match that both Kuipers and his sending off decision were 'very disappointing'. 'Markovic maybe touched the defender's lips with no more than his fingernail and the player theatrically goes down, many players will be sent off if red cards are given for such incidents', according to Rodgers...

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  31. For discussion: on Turpin's penalty and red card, would you "criticize" him for not playing the advantage in this case? If he had waited just half a second more, Real could maybe have scored and the defender could have gone away with yellow.

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    1. Niclas,take a look at UCL final in 2006(BARvsARS).Hauge whistled a foul too quick as Turpin did today.He had no choice but to send off Lehmann in early time of the game.That decision changed almost everything.I don't want to criticize Turpin,just feel sad for him and the player being sent off.

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    2. As I know UEFA guidlines say that a goal is the biggest benefit for a team (eventhough personally I disagree) and that in such situations advantage should be played, scored goal counted and the defender cautioned.
      I am not sure whether it is even treated as a crucial mistake.

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    3. What if Ronaldo miss that penalty? What if other team wins after that? What if...? Goal is absolutely biggest benefit for attacking team as a red card. For me clear, but understandable mistake.

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    4. And after probably getting shouts HAND HAND HAND via micro from AAR1 and his own visual input, it was probably hard for Turpin to inhibit this intuitive reaction / decision. Which maybe shows that he needs more experience.

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    5. I can't honestly critisize Turpin for that.

      IMO he should be backed from the observer ( as I know I will) because he simply applied the LOTG.

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    6. I agree, Edward. Turpin chose the safiest option and whistle the handball immediately. The reason was probably AAR's shouting 'HAND' via micro as Niclas correctly mentioned. And I also want to put a question: what if Bale miss the shot? It would be much worse regarding visual context.

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  32. And by the way: as Chefren said, Kulbakov's yellow Referee 14 jersey indicates that he was not planned for UCL, otherwise he should have received his kits at the start of the season.
    For tonight, it is planned that Buquet wears blue in Porto...let's see whether we can distinguish him from the other players.

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    1. I can confirm that Kulbakov performance was at an expected level, in a quite easy match to handle. Correct sending off for Omer Toprak, perhaps only small points for improvement in foul detection. More to follow.

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  33. Not penalty in Dortmund.

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  34. I agree! Not penalty and very good call in Anderlecht goal althought it could seem fault at first sight.

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    1. I agree after rewatching it. In the Anderlecht goal, it was a correct decision, however AAR2 should be reminded on being always alert. He was many metres away (what if a goalline decision had to be taken?) and not attentively following play.
      Typical Mateu-situation after the 1:0 - the goalkeeper was disappointed and got an encouraging slap on his shoulder by Mateu. This referee is special..

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  35. IMO the third goal of Olympiakos was offside. There is no good slow-motion but if you have the "normal" perspective, it seems that Mitroglu is offside when his team-mate does the header towards him.

    Maybe someone of you has a better angle to evaluate it.


    Best regards
    Phil

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