June 20, 2015

UEFA U-21 EURO 2015: Referee Appointments for Matches 7-12

Spanish Javier Estrada and Polish Szymon Marciniak have been appointed respectively for Sweden - England and Italy - Portugal, to be played on 21/06/15 for MD2.  

Team Makkelie (without Kamphuis in the pic) in charge of CZE-GER
source: refereesfifa.blogspot.com

B, 21 June, 18:00 CET (Ander Stadium)
Sweden - England
Referee: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
Assistant Referees: Miguel Martínez Munuera (ESP), Teodoro Sobrino Magán (ESP) 
Additional Assistant Referees: Alejandro Hernández Hernández (ESP), Jesús Gil Manzano  (ESP)
Fourth Official: Ondřej Pelikán  (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Lundström (FIN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
Blog Referee Observer: Niclas (GER)

B, 21 June, 20:45 CET (City Stadium)
Italy - Portugal
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referees: Paweł Sokolnicki (POL), Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Additional Assistant Referees: Paweł Raczkowski (POL), Tomasz Musiał (POL) 
Fourth Official: Jan Paták (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Martin Sturkenboom (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Sajn (SVN)
Blog Referee Observer: Hagi (GER)

A, 23 June, 20:45 CET (Eden Stadium)
Czech Republic - Germany
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referees: Mario Diks (NED), Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Additional Assistant Referees: Kevin Blom (NED), Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Fourth Official: Miguel Martínez Munuera (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Claude Runavot (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
Blog Referee Observer: Chefren (ITA)

A, 23 June, 20:45 CET (Letná Stadium)
Denmark - Serbia
Referee: Tasos Sidiropoulos (GRE)
Assistant Referees: Damianos Efthymiadis (GRE), Polychronis Kostaras (GRE)
Additional Assistant Referees: Michael Koukoulakis (GRE), Stavros Tritsonis (GRE)
Fourth Official: Paweł Sokolnicki (POL)
UEFA Delegate: Scott Struthers (SCO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
Blog Referee Observer: Niclas (GER)

B, 24 June, 20:45 CET (Ander Stadium)
England - Italy
Referee: Sergei Karasev (RUS)
Assistant Referees: Anton Averianov (RUS), Tikhon Kalugin (RUS)
Additional Assistant Referees: Sergei Lapochkin (RUS), Sergei Ivanov (RUS)
Fourth Official: Ondřej Pelikán  (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Martin Sturkenboom (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
Blog Referee Observer: Edward (GRE)

B, 24 June, 20:45 CET (City Stadium)
Portugal - Sweden
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referees: Frédéric Cano (FRA), Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Additional Assistant Referees: Fredy Fautrel (FRA), Benoît Bastien (FRA)
Fourth Official: Jan Paták (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Lundström (FIN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Sajn (SVN)
Blog Referee Observer: Gitzlo (AUT)

80 Comments:

  1. Predection for MD3
    Czech Republic-Germany
    Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
    Assistant Referees: Mario Diks (NED), Hessel Steegstra (NED)
    Additional Assistant Referees: Kevin Blom (NED), Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
    Fourth Official:Miguel Martínez Munuera (ESP)

    Denmark-Serbia
    Referee: Tasos Sidiropoulos (GRE)
    Assistant Referees: Damianos Efthimiadis (GRE), Polychronis Kostaras (GRE)
    Additional Assistant Referees: Michael Koukoulakis (GRE), Stavros Tritsonis (GRE)
    Fourth Official:Paweł Sokolnicki (POL)

    England-Italy
    Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
    Assistant Referees: Frédéric Cano (FRA), Nicolas Danos (FRA)
    Additional Assistant Referees: Fredy Fautrel (FRA), Benoît Bastien (FRA)
    Fourth Official: Ondrej Pelikán (CZE)

    Portugal-Sweden
    Referee: Sergey Karasev (RUS)
    Assistant Referees: Anton Averianov (RUS), Tikhon Kalugin (RUS)
    Additional Assistant Referees: Sergei Lapochkin (RUS), Sergei Ivanov (RUS)
    Fourth Official: Jan Paták (CZE)

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  2. Anonymous20/6/15 16:16

    As I see they appoint Marciniak for challenging games.

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  3. First foul in Sweden-England after 27 minutes and 34 seconds...

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  4. Overall between 8.2 and 8.3 for me. A bit too passive in some situations with 1 yellow card missing plus some other smaller points to improve. Generally good control and most decisions correct.

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    1. Anonymous21/6/15 20:01

      Looked like a clear PK for England was missed.

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    2. For me that was nothing. No punishable or clear undermining, if you mean the situation in 73' close to AAR2.

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    3. Anonymous21/6/15 21:32

      That PK-situation was for Sweden, but of course that one could be given. Clear push. But I mean the situation when Ings was kicked in the back of his legs (81) with the ball now way near. The replays from behind showed it was a stonewall PK.

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    4. Do you have a video for this replay? I only saw the 2 duels (first tackle outside, second inside) from kind of bird perspective.

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    5. Niclas, check the link beneath to watch the situation (with the above mentioned replay):

      https://vimeo.com/131367275

      I have to agree with anonymous. Based on the last replay one tends to deem this situation as penalty kick although in real speed difficult to recognize. Without the last replay I would have supported the ref.
      Apart from this missed PK I really appreciate Estrada's style. Relaxed, communicative, but still firm body language.

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    6. Thanks for the video, Dutch Ref!
      Well, I had not watched the last replay and it is more than obvious. Not easy to detect, anyway, as you wrote, but still a clear penalty for me.

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    7. Anonymous21/6/15 23:55

      Even more difficult to spot because the ball has the same direction (more or less) it would have had if it had been hit by the defender.

      George

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    8. Oh la la, yes. Thanks a lot. That is a penalty.
      I am wondering whether any of the officials can see that. In terms of visual angle, AR1 has the best one. AAR1 and the referee have it more difficult even though they are closer.

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    9. It seems this was a difficult to spot penalty kick, and I would like to use the opportunity to raise the "best angle" issue provided by Niclas.
      Out of three above mentioned officials (the Ref, AAR1 and AR1) the AR1 was in the worst position to see the incident as he was 45m away from the spot, and very likely could not see it as either defender (yellow 4) or the attacker (white 16) were in his line of vision.
      What is it that he really sees at that moment? He sees the black boot of defender, high up in line with the calf muscle/white socks of the attacker. He definitely can not see the contact, but the Ref and the AAR1 should have seen it, due to the best angle.
      If the incident occured in the right hand side of the penalty area and under same circumstances, than I would deem the AR1 and AAR1 responsible.
      I would highly appreciate your dis/agreements with my thoughts.
      Thanks.

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    10. It is difficult to imagine how it looked for the three mentioned officials. You can be right concerning the distance of AR1. From the replay behind the goal one can very nicely see that the referee has a free line of sight, the tackle happens exactly between the players (who thus did not obstruct his vision). AAR1 could be a bit more obstructed by the other Swedish defender walking close to the offender and ENG #17. So I would blame the referee most here. AR1 is not at fault, I agree (not his area of responsiblity either).

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    11. Thank you Niclas.
      Cheers!

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  5. With some astonishment I must say that Marciniak has an amateur-like positioning and movement so far. Specially in terms of diagonal movement, distance to play and positioning at set pieces.
    A clear offside (obstructing the line of vision) got missed by (A)AR1, too, apart from that no problems so far.

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    1. Anonymous21/6/15 21:34

      We'll se if his positioning will have an impact on any situations in the 2nd half.
      So far rather easy game, both teams play technical football and referee chose appropriate punishment level.

      I would not agree with the offside situation you mention as the attacker was not so close to the keeper.

      MK

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    2. Anonymous21/6/15 23:57

      Sorry Niclas and alejandro, but IMO it was prepared and discussed as a ref tactic for that game. Do you remember last Italy game? So I think his change of positioning was good prepared for that game. What we could see watching the final outcome of the game.

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    3. For example in minute 13 at a foul close to the sideline, he showed too little presence by being 30 metres away from it (around the midfield circle, upper end).

      Not running out the diagonal movement and creating bad visual angles at corner-kicks are, in my view, no part of match tactics of a referee, at least it cannot be what it was intended to be.

      No doubt, on the whole and decision-based the performance was good!

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  6. I agree Niclas. I think it's because of his level of fitness: too muscular and stocky. Therefore it looks difficult and stiff. What do you think?

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    1. Stiff is the right term, although he is extremely fit, some sprints seemed a bit slow and inelegant.

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  7. 2015/16 LOTG, fronted by Rizzoli
    http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/02/36/01/11/lawsofthegameweben_neutral.pdf

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    1. Anonymous22/6/15 08:15

      What are the changes to this year's LOTG?

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    2. Nothing serious. Some changes with regards to re-changes and electronical systems used by players (that they must not endanger other players etc.). And a reform of the IFAB.

      By the way they could have tried to find another not-pixelated Rizzoli image..

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    3. http://www.wiltshirefa.com/~/media/countysites/wiltshirefa/documents/referees/laws-of-the-game-2015-16.ashx

      Other Link now broken

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  8. Anonymous22/6/15 13:00

    Who will be tommorow in Czech republic-Germany?

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  9. Anonymous22/6/15 16:48

    Appointments MD3 released on UEFA
    CZE-GER: Makkelie
    DEN-SER: Sidiropoulos
    ENG-ITA:Karasev
    SWE-POR: Turpin

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  10. Thanks for this information.

    If we summarize the performances of all referees what can we conclude so far?

    Based on what I have seen and what I have read here in the comments:

    Marcinak, Makkelie and Karasev without mistakes.

    Turpin missed a red card for dogso and his performance was poor.

    Sidiropoulos gave a soft (wrong) penalty.

    Estrada missed a penalty in favor of England.

    Something more to add?

    I think on Friday (after the group phase) two teams will be send home and 4 teams will stay for the finals and possibly the Olympic match.

    Any predictions?

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  11. Anonymous22/6/15 19:16

    Marcinak did a good second performance yesterday. If Makkelie and Karasev will do this too tomorrow and Wednesday, it will be Sidiropoulos, Turpin or Estrada who will go home. If there is no Olympic match and two teams have to leave I predict that this will be two of the three remaining referees Turpin, Sidiropoulos or Estrada. But, we know this for sure after their second matches and everything is still possible!

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    1. Anonymous22/6/15 19:19

      UEFA was very amazed with Sidiropoulos and his performance. I don´t think he is going to go.

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    2. Anonymous22/6/15 19:28

      I was amazed too and absolutely can't accept the 7,9 given by this blog observer. It was definitely a 'very good' performance in UEFA scale.

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    3. The vast majority in our team fully agreed with "Gitzlo"'s assessment of the 2nd penalty. We thought about that for 2-3 days but in the end decided in favour of the (in our view) correct decision - or vice versa, we did not see enough room to accept this decision.

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  12. Anonymous22/6/15 19:38

    With Dallas involved in Greece and Batta in France I am sure that Sidiropoulos and Turpin will certainly stay! Nepotism is always within UEFA. Watch my words.

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    1. Anonymous23/6/15 17:03

      Batta will observe Tasos tonight, not Sajn

      http://www.uefa.com/under21/season=2015/matches/round=2000408/match=2015377/prematch/officials/index.html

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  13. Sidiropoulos with a really good performance, almost faultless, good control, very sovereign and empathic match reading & grip to the players.
    Only small rooms for improvement (one advantage not that sensible).
    One problem in teamwork with AR2, which will cost the latter one or two tenth(s). AR1 with one clear offside mistake (1 metre offside, 55-60 metres away from him), probably between 8.2 and 8.3 as well.

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  14. Anonymous23/6/15 23:09

    Makkelie with a good game. 4 correct yellow cards. Good use of the advantage rule. Maybe one card more could have been given, and he could have shown a bit more empathy, but all in all 8.3/8.4 area for me (unless something happened in minute '1-'25, I watched from that moment on). AR's and AAR's with good performances, only one phantom foul reported by AR1.

    I saw Kamphuis made gestures when it was a corner, and in the Dutch play-offs I saw 5th/6th officials do the same. Niclas, do you know or that is an instruction? To me, it seems a bit weird that 3 people show the decision, but maybe there is a reason for it?

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    1. Actually UEFA guidelines prescribe that AARs have to refrain from making gestures. Blom did it in ENG-POR as well.

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    2. Also Cakir's AAR2 did the same at the UCL Final.

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  15. Anonymous23/6/15 23:17

    Makkelie was great in very difficult match. 8,5 for me

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  16. Very good performance of Makkelie and his team. Strong body language, well player management, some good advantages and full control of the match. Perhaps he could have give 1 yellow card more, but for me it's oke. The German commentator was very amused with the performance of Makkelie. I think we will see Makkelie certainly back in one of the finals. For me 8.5 as mark.

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    1. Anonymous23/6/15 23:43

      Makkelie saw also well that it was no penalty for Czech.

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  17. Anonymous23/6/15 23:41

    Both assistants also very good and I think Kamphuis will have 8.5 as well because he saw very well that the ball was not totally behind the goal line.

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  18. Do you know when new Uefa Classes will be reviewed and available ?
    I think that Marciniak will be surely promoted to Elite, while Sidiropolous, Turpin, Bebek and Karasev are candidates for a promotion but it depends on the performances achieved on FIFA U20 WCUP and UEFA U21.
    What do you think about the last four officials ? Will belong to elite since july ?
    On the other hand I think no demotion from Elite; it never happened, even if Thoson, F. Borbalan and Tagliavento could deserve it.

    One question for Chefren: When new organizations in Serie A Italy will be available ? Which will be the changes on Serie A referees ?
    Thanks and regards

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    1. Anonymous24/6/15 10:49

      Considering the promotion candidates you mentioned f.
      Given his first performance at this U21 tournament (not good enough again unfortunately) and the disastrous Fyenoord-Roma Turpin is absolutely no option for elite now IMO. He is simply not good enough at the for him "big moment to shine" matches. Agree with you on the other names, one remark though. If you consider Sidiropoulos ready for elite then other names should be mentioned too. Makkelie (has a very convincing U21 so far and IMO is as good if not better then the Greek) , and Zwayer/ Orsato, but I don't know how they performed at U20WC.
      And considering demotions I think no one will be demoted. If one is going one level lower it will be Thomson. He has had a couple of bad seasons now and he deserves it. Borbalan has never had a real chance to show he belongs to "elite" ever since he got promoted so if UEFA demotes him now they are making a fool of themselves. And Tagliavento maybe replaced by Orsato??? We'll see

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    2. Hi F.
      We will know more about new serie A referees panel at the beginning of July (perhaps 3 July). It is reported that Peruzzo and Tommasi will be dismissed, but at the same time there should be three promotions from serie B: Fabbri, Gavillucci and Mariani. At least, according to rumors.

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    3. Why Tommasi ?

      He is only since one year in the organization, he got a lot of matches in Serie A this year and he was good on most of them; I think that Calvarese was worst

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  19. In short my predictions.

    Promotion: Marciniak (some others have chances, but nobody is really very close to a deserved promotion from my point of view).

    Demotion: Fernández, while Tagliavento and Thomson have to be worried as well. And we have to see what happens with Kassai, his last 2 UEFA seasons were more than disappointing.

    I guess in 1-2 days the categories could be updated.

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  20. Uao; I'm amazed about your warning on Kassai; we cannot forget that 4 years ago he was one of the best referees at South Africa FIFA WC where he was appointed at semifinal match, the year after he officiated CL final match and in the following years he was always in the middle of very high level top clashes as well CL semifinal matches.
    I think he really don't deserve a demotion; this year he has been unlucky for his injury, he could recover.
    A part of Marciniak on who everybody trust, I put Sidiropolous because he did a lot of high level matches may be more than Makkelie. Turpin and Orsato, before or later, could be a political choice, since France will host Uefa Euro 2016 and since Rizzoli will retire in 18 months. It seems that Italy and France haven't top level referees, but can they stay without elite ?
    It's a bit strange the story of Bebek: he was on the pre-selection list for FIFA WC 2010 in South Africa (5 years ago), then he disappeared and now is close to promotion. It seems that he often is closed to be promoted but he misses last examination to pass.

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  21. Anonymous24/6/15 12:17

    Niclas I have read the reports of Sidiropoulos and Makkelie and both marks are very strange (7.9 and 8.2) I can tell you that both performances are very well evaluated by uefa. With these reports this blog is losing its credibility!!

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    1. You should have understood by now that we are not UEFA. Please read both reports in length and then we can discuss if both marks are not suitable.

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    2. Anonymous24/6/15 15:07

      @ Anonymous:

      I think that there is a small misunderstanding. Blog simply evaluates the referees (and does many other things). It is no need to seek the maximum of agreement between evaluation of official observers (or UEFA) and evaluation of people here. Sometime I disagree too and when I feel (better - know) that something is obviously incorrect I try to write my opinion. But I think it is not very clever to have information from inside of UEFA (or only to pretend that I have it?) and publish it immediately.

      Generally I think that people here are too strict with referees that sometime count minuses very well but forgot for counting pluses that sometime evaluate something as crucial mistake and in reality it is not, but again generally: positives are clearly bigger and result of this work is IMO very good.

      Regards.
      P.L.

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    3. I can only refer to what P.L. and Edward wrote. We are not in the stadiums, do not meet the referees before and after the match. But we much more integrate TV input in our observations and I don 't know why more feedback including rooms for improvement should harm the referees. Please keep in mind that you only become better by knowing your weaknesses. Nobody benefits from politically motivated over-positive feedback which can be done by UEFA if they like. So please tell me where your problem is with my observations of Makkelie's performance are and we can really start to discuss.

      Btw we try to reach the highest reliability and consistency WITHIN our reports and not with UEFA reports. So in the end I do think that we would lose credibility by copying UEFA against our conviction and not vice versa.

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  22. Anonymous24/6/15 17:12

    http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ivysilani//11010841418-euro-u21-2015/215471291122954-cesko-nemecko/ What do you think is it red card for Germany number 17 in 88th minute?

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    1. Not visible outside from the Czech Republic. In the live game my feeling was "orange" for sure.

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  23. Anonymous24/6/15 21:42

    Is it only me who thinks that Turpin has an odd movement pattern?

    /Swedish observer

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    1. Anonymous24/6/15 21:49

      Sometimes. Generally, there are some things he does odd but not either wrong. Good performance so far. (in a really easy game)

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  24. Anonymous24/6/15 22:37

    Karasev with a very good perfomance in my opinion

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  25. My first feeling after 12 group stage matches is that Karasev has been the best so far. Overall a really good level of officiating, with the Russian being my 1st candidate for the final. Dallas and co. will face difficult decisions tonight/tomorrow.

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  26. Karasev with a good performance in an easy/boring match. No difficult calls, correct cautions, good movement.

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  27. Anonymous24/6/15 22:46

    Excellent performance by Turpin tonight.
    His foul detection was more than good and his card management was adequate, evenif it wasn't a very difficult match.
    Two penalty appeal correctly rejected (one for SWE in first half for an undeliberate handball and one for POR in second half for a contact/tackle which was fair) and an efficient use of advantage.
    In spite of the low difficulty of the game, I go for a 8.4.
    Two things that could have been better :
    - an attacker foul (76e) right in front of Fautrel has not been detected and could have had big consequences but we can't really blame Turpin for that
    - he hit the ball once and more generally speaking his movements can be improved.
    Didn't watch Karasev, it could be interesting to know how he performs.

    With this match, it's not very clear who will get the last games... So far, UEFA can be (very) satisfied with the officials involved in this competition.

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    1. Thanks a lot for this early summary.
      Indeed they can be satisfied. I think Estrada, who was not bad at all and showed why he deserved to be there, is the first option to go home early. This says much about the level of performances (small limitation: most matches were not that difficult to handle either, partly the officials' merit, partly not).

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    2. Anonymous24/6/15 23:10

      I can share your opinion about Turpin's performance - even if it was really easy to handle. Some small areas for improvement, but all in all very good. Nevertheless he is imo no elite group referee yet - I think first group is the right place for him currently. I have some doubts on his personality and body language. I he has not the personality and the charisma to be one of the best of the world.

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    3. Anonymous24/6/15 23:11

      Ops... I think*

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    4. Anonymous25/6/15 00:05

      You're welcome Niclas. I really enjoy your work here, so that's why I'm sharing this "early summary" with you. I look forward to reading Gitzlo's report to see whether he has the same opinion about the referee's performance for this match.


      Since everybody's making predictions, I must say that it's very hard to determine who will stay. But let's give it a go:

      - if the only parameter taken into account is the 12 performances of this tournament, then I think that the three referees who have to stay are Karasev, Makkelie and Marciniak. The three of them have had two very good performances, with only small rooms for improvement. Turpin showed weaknesses in his first game and Sidiropoulos and Estrada had some troubles with penalty area decisions.
      With the not-so-easy Czech Republic/Germany and the way he handled it, Makkelie would be, along with Karasev, my favourite referee for the final. To sum it up:
      F: Danny MAKKELIE
      SF: Sergei KARASEV, Szymon MARCINIAK

      - if we also consider previous performances and personal development of each referee, I would go for Karasev, Marciniak and Turpin. They are being considered for a promotion for a few months and maybe the time has come to give them those last matches before promoting them. They are all different (especially Turpin who is really one of a kind, you can like it or not) but IMO they all deserve a promotion to Elite considering their global standard of performances this year.
      F: Sergei KARASEV
      SF: Szymon MARCINIAK, Clément TURPIN

      - then, last but not least, I see a clearly third scenario: politics... Just one year before EURO in France, it's obvious that the part of politics doesn't have to be underestimated. And given the solid performances observed and the quite high refereeing level of this tournament, maybe politics will have the final say. If this turns out ot be the case, then we could have Marciniak, Sidiropoulos and Turpin with those appointments:
      F: Clément TURPIN
      SF: Szymon MARCINIAK, Tasos SIDIROPOULOS

      In a nutshell, for me two things are sure (but of course I can be wrong, this analysis is not meant to be THE truth):
      - Marciniak will stay;
      - Estrada will go gome.

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  28. I must say a very good group stage ended this evening and this time committee for this tournament can be really proud. They will be in trouble (in the positive meaning of the term) having to decide referees for semifinals and final (play off for Olympics wont be played). This evening we saw two expected level (at least) performance.
    Yesterday, I observerd Makkelie, I share the positive comments already posted on the blog by other users: overall it was a good performance, with peraphs one or two small areas for improvement, but nothing really important.
    So, as said, the choice will be very difficult.
    Almost all the matches at this tournament were played fairly and referee were in a certain way helped in keeping a good standard of officiating.
    Trying to make some reasoning: as stated before the tournament, I think that Estrada situation is different from all the other officials involved, he has been appointed just to gain experience, he furthermore had already a UEFA final and therefore he could be the first name leaving the tournament.
    We don't know UEFA assessment for the penalty by Sidiropoulos, this can be another very interesting argument, and at moment surely the most discussed situation occurred in group stage, or even the only one..
    I didn't watch Turpin's first match entirely so I can't make statements.
    Makkelie is still a candidate but differently from other names, he is not taken into account for a promotion now, for this reason, his experience could end after group stage (like Estrada).
    Karasev was good in both matches, but especially this evening his work was really easy. One must say that, especially compared to Sidiropoulos first apperance.
    Merely based on my sensations: Marciniak and Karasev will be very likely appointed again, we should find a third name (I think for a semifinal): Sidiropoulos or Turpin, this could be the contention. But again, very difficult due to solid performances until now.

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    1. Anonymous24/6/15 23:29

      For me the only "fight" for a (s)f match this tournament will be between makkelie and sidiropoulos. Turpin and estrada for me are clear "go home" cases and i think karasev and marciniak will get another match. Given performances id give another match to makkelie for sure. But i could understand if sidiropoulos is appointed again

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  29. Anonymous25/6/15 04:07

    Excellent analyses of Chefren! But also of some anonymous writers, especially the one at 12:05 hours. It's all very interesting. Will the final decision be based on performances or politics? The following appointments seems to me the most obvious (taking into account that there won't be an Olympic match):

    Based on performances:

    F = Karasev
    SF = Marcinak and Makkelie
    Home = Siridopoulos, Turpin And Estrada.

    F = Makkelie
    SF = Marcinak and Karasev
    Home: Siridopoulos, Turpin and Estrada.

    Based on politics:

    F: Turpin
    SF: Marcinak and Karasev
    Home: Siridopoulos, Makkelie and Estrada.

    F: Siridopoulos
    SF: Turpin and Karasev
    Home: Marcinak, Makkelie and Estrada.

    Very difficult decision for the committee.

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  30. Anonymous25/6/15 04:46

    Very interesting analysis too (I'm 12:05 Anonymous). I agree with your scenarios.

    I'd like to complete my analysis by having a look at the different games. Because maybe if it's difficult for the Committee to decide among the referees who they're going to send home, the different games can help them.
    I'd like to exclude Estrada from this analysis, because neither performances nor politics seem to justify that he stays in Czech Republic.

    Then:
    1/ SF1 (Portugal-Germany):
    - Karasev had GER on MD2
    - Makkelie had POR on MD1 and GER on MD3
    - Marciniak had POR on MD2
    - Turpin had POR on MD3

    2/SF2 (Denmark-Sweden):
    - Karasev had DEN on MD2
    - Marciniak had DEN on MD1
    - Sidiropoulos had SWE on MD1 and DEN on MD3
    - Turpin had SWE on MD3

    Here comes the interesting part : can we assume that they won't be appointing the same referee team for two consecutive matches ? If this turns out to be the case, then Turpin can't be appointed in a SF and we have three candidates for each match :
    SF1: Karasev/Marciniak/Sidiropoulos
    SF2: Karasev/Makkelie/Marciniak

    We also have to think about the final because it's possible to have a remake of a group-phase match and if this happens, they surely won't appoint the same referee:
    - in case of POR-SWE in final, no Turpin
    - in case of DEN-GER in final, no Karasev

    Given these different hypotheses, I think it could be dangerous not to appoint Karasev for a SF since there's a risk that he can't be chosen for the final. And I really don't think they will send him home.

    Then basically the choice is between Marciniak, Makkelie and Sidiropoulos for the other game. Considering performances + politics, several options are likely IMO :

    1) POR-GER: Sergei KARASEV
    DEN-SWE: Szymon MARCINIAK
    Final (if not POR-SWE): Clément TURPIN. Otherwise: Danny MAKKELIE

    2) POR-GER: Sergei KARASEV
    DEN-SWE: Danny MAKKELIE
    Final: Szymon MARCINIAK

    3) (Less likely IMO)
    POR-GER: Tasos SIDIROPOULOS
    DEN-SWE: Sergei KARASEV
    Final: Szymon MARCINIAK

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  31. Based on our marks:

    Karasev: 8.3 and 8.4 = 8.35
    Makkelie: 8.2 and 8.4 = 8.30
    Marciniak: 8.4 and 8.2 = 8.30
    Sidiropoulos: 7.9 and 8.4 = 8.15
    Turpin: 7.9 (?) and 8.4 = 8.15
    Estrada: 8.3 and 7.9 = 8.10

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    1. Anonymous25/6/15 12:28

      Why this question mark for Turpin's first mark ?

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    2. Because a missed DOGSO was reported but we still have not received our observer's report, so that is speculation.

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    3. Anonymous25/6/15 13:59

      Ok thank you.
      I don't remember any missed DOGSO in this match.
      Some clear mistakes in card management in first half that's for sure, but a DOGSO no. But maybe my memories are bad!

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    4. Don't know, I think there were some comments stating that but I can be wrong.

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    5. Anonymous25/6/15 14:08

      Yeah, actually I remember one stating that but I didn't know which situation he meant... And I still don't know, that's why I was asking.
      But even without this DOGSO, it's a clear 8 (or 8.1), so this doesn't make a big change.
      A wish and/or a prediction for the last 3 games, Niclas?

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    6. I must emphasize again that all six officials showed that they deserved to be nominated for this tournament.

      If I had to choose, I would choose Karasev for the final as a reward for the good tournament and strong self-confindence (which was by far not self-evident after the rather poor last season).
      Marciniak has to be appointed again as his only room for improvement was positioning and presence in his 2nd match, which was really striking, but the overall performances were really good.
      These 2 officials have shown to be the most "complete" referees, maybe in the whole First Group at the moment.

      Well and then we have Sidiropoulos, who was probably supported in ITA-SWE, and who was almost faultless in his 2nd match. Makkelie has less experience than Sidiropoulos and performed on a similarly good level. Really difficult. The only thing I am sure about is that Estrada and Turpin will have to go.

      If I had to decide, I would choose Sidiropoulos for the last spot. Not because Makkelie was worse though. My prediction is however the opposite, I could imagine they pick Makkelie.

      I would do the following:

      POR-GER Sidiropoulos
      DEN-SWE Karasev or Marciniak

      POR-GER v DEN-SWE Karasev or Marciniak

      As someone said before, GER-DEN in the final could rule out Karasev and in this case he would undeservedly remain with 2 matches only. So maybe 60/40 Marciniak for the final.

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  32. At what time we will know what the committee has decided?

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  33. Anonymous25/6/15 14:11

    Predictions

    Karasev DEN SWE, Sidiropoulos GER POR, Marciniak final.

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  34. Anonymous25/6/15 17:28

    Yup - confirmed.

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  35. Clément Turpin is an excellent referee. He proves it game after game in the french championship. However, he had difficult games in Europa League. He is young, but he is a hardworker, and he can get more experience quickly. I think if he is promoted, and if he is chosen for the Euro in France, he is able to realize a big next season, and he could be one of the best surprises of the Euro.
    A big tournament can reveal it as a great referee, like the WC 2006 did it for Rosetti.
    I trust him, he is very determined to increase his level in EL games.

    The one who is going to be an excellent and great referee is the french guy : Benoit Bastien. A young referee with a physical condition absolutely exceptionnal. He has a calm approach of the games, and he is very regular in his prestations.
    I sugess you to follow him, he is, IMO, the next top french referee !

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  36. Anonymous5/7/15 11:20

    The Polish and Greek referee are the best in this Tournament. Good choice

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