September 13, 2015

Champions League 2015/16 - Referee Appointments - Matchday 1 (I)

UEFA has chosen these officials to kick off the 2015/16 Champions League group stage. The first real top clash between Manchester City and Juventus Turin has been assigned to .Damir Skomina of Slovenia observed by UEFA Vice Refereeing Officer Hugh Dallas.



A| 15.09.2015, 20:45 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris SG - Malmö FF
Referee: Sergei Karasev (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Anton Averianov (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Tikhon Kalugin (RUS)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Sergei Lapochkin (RUS)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Sergei Ivanov (RUS)
Fourth Official: Igor Demeshko (RUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Georgios Bikas (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: William Campbell (NIR)
Blog Referee Observer: Jake (FRO)

A| 15.09.2015, 20:45 CET
Estadio Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid - Shakhtar Donetsk
Referee: Ivan Bebek (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomislav Petrović (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Miro Grgić (CRO)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Domagoj Vuckov (CRO)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Goran Gabrilo (CRO)
Fourth Official: Dalibor Conjar (CRO)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alan Snoddy (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: Jaroslav Dudl (CZE)
Blog Referee Observer: Niclas (GER)

B| 15.09.2015, 20:45 CET
Philips-Stadion, Eindhoven (NED)
PSV Eindhoven - Manchester Utd.
Referee: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Elenito Di Liberatore (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Mauro Tonolini (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Antonio Damato (ITA)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Davide Massa (ITA)
Fourth Official: Andrea Padovan (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Gylfi Thor Orrason (ISL)
UEFA Delegate: Danijel Jošt (SVN)
Blog Referee Observer: Edward (GRE)

B| 15.09.2015, 20:45 CET
Volkswagen Arena, Wolfsburg (GER)
VfL Wolfsburg - CSKA Moskva
Referee: Svein Oddvar Moen (NOR)
Assistant Referee 1: Kim Thomas Haglund (NOR)
Assistant Referee 2: Frank Andås (NOR)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Ken Henry Johnsen (NOR)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Svein Erik Edvartsen (NOR)
Fourth Official: Magnus Lundberg
UEFA Referee Observer: William Young (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Dag Steinar Vestlund (NOR)*
Blog Referee Observer: Harry (ENG)

* for the first time in UCL, the UEFA delegate's nationality equals the referee team's nationality.

C| 15.09.2015, 20:45 CET
Estádio da Luz, Lisbon (POR)
SL Benfica - FC Astana
Referee: Tasos Sidiropoulos (GRE)
Assistant Referee 1: Damianos Efthymiadis (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Polychronis Kostaras (GRE)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Michael Koukoulakis (GRE)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Stavros Tritsonis (GRE)
Fourth Official: Christos Akrivos (GRE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Horst Brummeier (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: István Huszár (HUN)
Blog Referee Observer: Maxi R. (GER)

C| 15.09.2015, 20:45 CET
Ali Sami Yen Spor Kompleksi, Istanbul (TUR)
Galatasaray - Atlético Madrid
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Pawel Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Pawel Raczkowski (POL)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Musial (POL)
Fourth Official: Radoslaw Siejka (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Matteo Trefoloni (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Christian Schmölzer (AUT)
Blog Referee Observer: Mike (AUT)

D| 15.09.2015, 20:45 CET
Etihad Arena, Manchester (ENG)
Manchester City - Juventus Turin
Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Robert Vukan (SVN)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Matej Jug (SVN)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Slavko Vinčič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Manuel Vidali (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Jean-Louis Piette (FRA)
Blog Referee Observer: Gitzlo (AUT)

D| 15.09.2015, 20:45 CET
Estadio Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán, Sevilla (ESP)
Sevilla FC - Borussia M'gladbach
Referee: Pavel Královec (CZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Roman Slyško (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Martin Wilczek (CZE)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Petr Ardeleanu (CZE)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Michal Patak (CZE)
Fourth Official: Tomas Mokrusch (CZE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Terje Hauge (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Dennis Cruise (IRL)
Blog Referee Observer: Chefren (ITA)

166 Comments:

  1. Anonymous13/9/15 10:30

    Skomina is back.

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  2. Anonymous13/9/15 10:32

    My new predictions:
    Leverkusen-Bate, Turpin
    Roma-Barcelona, Atkinson
    Olympiakos-Bayern, Kassai
    Zagreb-Arsenal, Undiano
    D.Kiev-Oporto, Zwayer
    Chelsea-Maccabi, Nijhuis
    Valencia-Zenit, Eriksson
    Gante-O.Lyon, Orsato

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    1. With Uilenberg as observer in Chelsea-Maccabi, Nijhuis will for sure not get this match.

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    2. Same goes for Kassai (Piller) and Atkinson (Riley). Zwayer in his debut with A.Casha is not so probable either, I think.

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  3. Anonymous13/9/15 10:53

    And now,what thinks about Skomina and his future?
    UEFA EURO 2016 and may be UELfinal ?

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    1. Anonymous13/9/15 11:03

      It is now possible.

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    2. In my opinion it's to early to predict Skomina's presence in finals this year. But I do think that they are testing him for big matches this year. So I wish Skomina and his team good luck.

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  4. Anonymous13/9/15 14:02

    I don´t know the observers and I must change:
    Roma-Barcelona, Kassai
    Olympiakos-Bayern, Eriksson
    Zagreb-Arsenal, Nijhuis
    Chelsea-Maccabi, Undiano
    Valencia-Zenit, Atkinson
    Thanks.

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    1. See the right top of the blog (PDF).

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  5. Atletico 1- FC Barcelona 2
    Very bad Matéu Lahoz with four penalties not gived.
    3 for Barcelona, 1 for Atlético.

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    1. Anonymous13/9/15 14:33

      And this should be the new Spain nr 1.

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    2. Anonymous13/9/15 17:24

      Poor Spain as far as refereeing is concerned!

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    3. Anonymous13/9/15 20:01

      Velasco and Undiano are two excellents referees.
      Great work of Velasco at Sweden-Austria.

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    4. Anonymous13/9/15 20:08

      Surely Mateu not that better than Velasco and Undiano.

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  6. Anonymous13/9/15 14:53

    Lahoz was very weak yesterday, 4 time clears hands and nothing. Even Messi was crazy on him as F.Luiz clearly took with hand to stop the attack and no second yellow card for him. As you said he missed 2 penalty and 1 red card in one very easy game as it was no tension at all.

    Guys you are doing great job with the site, can you pls comment how can Bebek get Real and Tasos Benfica as this 2 refs has been very poor so far giving red cards and penaltys very nobody would.

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    1. Can you explain how, in your opinion, Tasos was poor so far? Tell me a match that he was indeed poor.

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    2. Anonymous13/9/15 16:46

      Actually, I have never understood how Mateu Lahoz and Fernández Borbalán have been promoted to Elite Category. But, ok, not everything in life has to be understood.

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    3. Anonymous13/9/15 17:02

      Yes, both Mateu Lahoz and Fernández Borbalán are very poor but Ángel Villar performs miracles.

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    4. Anonymous13/9/15 17:05

      I'm not a fan of Mateu Lahoz either but, guys, Borbalan takes the cake!!

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    5. Anonymous13/9/15 23:46

      Why Spain and Italy have 4 Elite-Referees? Angel Villar and Collina the UEFA-Ref-Chiefs.
      It is not a question of Quality, it is a question of politic.

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    6. Anonymous15/9/15 22:01

      bebek red card and penalty again, tasos 4 yellow cards in first half. Same story every time with them.

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    7. Anonymous15/9/15 23:42

      4 yellow cards, 4 correct cards.

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  7. Anonymous13/9/15 15:27

    Wolfsburg v CSKA M, delegate and referee same nationality for first time you say - in UCL group stage? It has happened in qualifying rounds and perhaps Europa group stage?

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  8. Anonymous13/9/15 16:20

    Tomorrow's predictions:
    Leverkusen - Borisov: Turpin (FRA)
    Roma - Barcelona: Kuipers (NED)
    Olympiacos - Bayern: Velasco Carballo (ESP)
    Zagreb - Arsenal: Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
    Porto - Kyiv: Brych (GER)
    Chelsea - Maccabi: Hategan (ROU)
    Valencia - Zenit: Atkinson (ENG)
    Gent - Lyon: Zwayer (GER)

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    1. Anonymous13/9/15 20:48

      Hunter (NIR) is travelling Tuesday apparently which would suggest a Wednesday game

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    2. Anonymous13/9/15 22:54

      Or a Thursday game with difficult travel connection, so MD-2 travel?

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    3. Anonymous13/9/15 23:06

      That true too but given first flight to Heathrow at 6:45am - hard to think where difficult travel would be. But we'll know in the morning either way

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    4. Anonymous14/9/15 08:08

      For example to Azerbaijan. :)

      Regards.
      P.L.

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  9. Anonymous13/9/15 16:31

    Well, it seems clear to me that we will have two Spaniards taking charge of the Group F matches, so much so they can only officiate matches in Group B, F and G.

    Olympiacos - Bayern: Alberto UNDIANO MALLENCO
    D. Zagreb - Arsenal: David FERNÁNDEZ BORBALÁN

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    1. Anonymous13/9/15 16:57

      GROUP E
      Roma - Barcelona: Viktor KASSAI
      Bayer Leverkusen - Bate Borisov: Clément TURPIN

      GROUP F
      Olympiacos - Bayern: Alberto UNDIANO MALLENCO
      D. Zagreb - Arsenal: David FERNÁNDEZ BORBALÁN

      GROUP G
      Chelsea - Maccabi Tel-Aviv: Daniele ORSATO
      D. Kyiv - FC Porto: Felix BRYCH

      GROUP H
      Valencia - Zenit: Cüneyt ÇAKIR
      Gent - Lyon: Bas NIJHUIS

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    2. Anonymous14/9/15 11:04

      Undiano Mallenco is not possible for Bayern after his performance in Donetsk - Bayern last year.

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  10. Anonymous13/9/15 17:22

    Is it already certain Zwayer will make his CL debut this week?

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  11. Anonymous13/9/15 17:41

    What is the job of a Delegate?

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    1. http://www.iwi-associates.co.uk/library/uefa5_delegates_handbook_2004.pdf

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    2. Anonymous13/9/15 19:23

      Thank you

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  12. Anonymous13/9/15 23:55

    I hope Erikson and Kuipers get a break after there very poor performance in Roma and Rapid.

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    1. Anonymous14/9/15 00:36

      Kuipers was not in Rapid, he was in Vienna and there he showed a very good performance why he got 8,4 from this blog what is absolutely acceptable in my eyes. Meanwhile he was also in Scotland (Euro Quali) - also a good performance by Kuipers. So any reasons for a break.

      I did not see Eriksson's performance, so I cannot say anything to him but he is an excellent referee too. And in my opinion it is no problem for a referee with such a quality to perform better in his next game without any psychical consequences from his last game.

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    2. But Kuipers did officiate a match of Rapid Wien (= Vienna)... :) Furthermore I can only agree with Anonymous 12:36 AM.

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    3. Anonymous15/9/15 22:23

      A missed Penalty from Kuipers in Vienna (Rapid Vienna) and 8,4 in this blog, Bravo.
      Other Referees get a 7,9.

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    4. Anonymous16/9/15 08:35

      He did not miss a penalty and the report describes and explains every questionable situation very well. Maybe you don't like Kuipers...or you compare your favorite referee to him...

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  13. Anonymous15/9/15 11:52

    edward,

    about Tasos just read on the net comments after some of his games where he make foul of himself. City-CSKA,italy-sweden u21 and overall he give yellow cards with first foul and very soft red cards overall. City-CSKA game he got critic everywhere and they said he will not get this big games again so I was a bit surprised that he gets this one even if this game is easy as Benfica is huge favorite.

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    1. I don't have a habbit of reading what FANS think of a referee. The ITA-SWE U21 match, as you mention it, it was the most difficult match of the whole tournament. Even committee had the same impression. The only mention was about the penalty but for UEFA it was an acceptable decision (and that's why he got the SF). I know the background of City - CSKA but as you understand I won't write anything here.

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    2. Anonymous15/9/15 21:32

      Edward,

      I am not talking about fans comments, was thinking more about media and footballs experts in media. Pls give us here some comments what do you think about part about Tasos and yellow and red cards. Tonight again some very soft yellow cards for this level, I compare him with the top refs and they do not show yellows so early in games for this kind of fouls. Benfica was huge favorite here and this is pretty soft game and he shows 4 yellow cards in first half, i knew he would do something like that. 4 yellow in first half in first round of uefa champions leaguewhenhome side is 85% favorite come on, but as I said I wrote before this game that he would to this and he does it again.

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    3. How can a card be soft? And why does it matter if a team has 85% possession and they get a card? Where in the LOTG this is mentioned? As far as I know, UEFA is very satisfied with him and his disciplinary control. If "football experts" or "media" know better than UEFA observers, then I can't comment.

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  14. There just was a ten minute break in Eindhoven following a horrible injury of ManU's defender Shaw. Apparently broke his leg and taken to hospital by ambulance. Wishing him a good recovery!

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    1. Missing red card for SFP imo

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    2. Anonymous15/9/15 21:31

      I think that it was a foul, why no card?

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    3. Anonymous15/9/15 21:37

      because Rizzoli as always coward poor referee

      he has no guts to make big calls!

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    4. Honestly, where is the foul?

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    5. Second leg came after the ball had been played, which caused the broken leg

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    6. Third one correct as well

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    7. Looking at few replays, it seems as though the trailing leg did the damage... Penalty for me.

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    8. Difficult scene, very difficult. One leg is playing the ball and the other fouls. Can Rizzoli being blamed?

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    9. Agreed. As Niclas points out below, very difficult to spot, live.

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    10. Anonymous15/9/15 23:22

      When you hit both the ball and the opponent a card can be justified. Someting like that should be considered AT LEAST reckless, don't you agree?

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    11. I agree. Just saying it would be very difficult for Rizzoli to spot, live. Unfortunately for him, referees don't have the luxury of slow-mo replays ;)

      Horrible injury for Shaw, though. Looks like he'll miss the rest of the season and the Euros ;(

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    12. Rizzoli, not yellow card. Clear red card.

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  15. Anonymous15/9/15 21:18

    What do you think about the disallowed goal for Juve? Offside or not offside?

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    1. Offside, JUV #9 makes a clear effort to play the ball

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    2. Anonymous15/9/15 21:26

      Video link?

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    3. Anonymous15/9/15 21:35

      Correct decision, offside IMO.

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    4. Anonymous15/9/15 21:39

      Offside IMO. Good call by AR2 Vukan. Overall good performance by Skomina and his team, so far, they have not much to do.

      K.S.

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    5. Excelent decision, offside.

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  16. Anonymous15/9/15 21:43

    Pretty solid stuff from Bebek in Madrid!

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    1. Anonymous15/9/15 21:47

      Very easy game for him in first half. Neither one dramatic situation. Only 8 fouls.

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    2. Anonymous15/9/15 21:58

      A sending off and a penalty,

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    3. Anonymous15/9/15 21:58

      penalty crucial mistake from Bebek and AAR2!

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    4. And now this penalty...

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    5. Back, not arm

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    6. First penalty is unfortunately a mistake.
      Second one is acceptable.
      Correct second YC.

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    7. Bebek's style of refereeing is very good, I like it. Without PK mistake, good performance.

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    8. Anonymous15/9/15 22:25

      First penalty is so crucial mistake - by that one Real definitely won the match! But also it was double mistake: it was clear back, it can not be clearer, but even it was handball - it wasn't deliberate one, hand in natural position. Most of all - he whistled what he didn't see! Would he do the same in Real's penalty area!!! 1000% not!

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    9. Anonymous15/9/15 22:26

      Actually, I was referring to 1st half. Haven't been watching the 2nd half.

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    10. Anonymous15/9/15 22:28

      Anonymous 10:25 PM: right. Not in Real penalty area. That's the problem with such matches, referees don't bear pressure.

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    11. Anonymous15/9/15 22:39

      It is not questionable that Bebek made a mistake with that penalty but some of you are having comments like he did crime for prison. There used to be much bigger mistakes ....
      All in all that penalty was mistake, red card and second penalty 100% correct.... Everything else; Bebek did very well. 7.9 (8.4) for this match.

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    12. Above all, it is a surprising move by AAR2. This "handball" was NEVER his area of responsibility. From his position, the contact with the body was actually invisible.
      Bebek had a free line of sight and had a better position. If he allows his teammates to overrule him that easily, it is his own fault of course. If he had been 100% concentrated, he would have rejected the input from his AAR for sure.

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    13. Anonymous15/9/15 23:00

      Looks like Bebek blew his chances in the 2nd half. The 1st one came off very well.

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    14. Unfortunately and although I think Bebek is a good referee for most of the parts of his matches, there is a certain tendency that he / his teammates make too many crucial mistakes in their games. Last season already at least 3 crucial mistakes which were unequivocally clear, now again. Mostly accompanied by (correct) sending-offs. Just an observation from my side.

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    15. Anonymous15/9/15 23:06

      @Niclas, it's not that simple. They are a team and therefore they have to function as a team in the true sense of the word. In the middle of the pitch, the referee always thinks the other elements of the team could have spotted something that passed him by. I haven't watched the situation specifically but most of the times the main referee is not to blame when his assistants somehow "betray" him.

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    16. I agree with you in most cases, maybe soon we have a replay to illustrate it.
      If Bebek has a free line of sight on a shot on goal blocked by a defender with the contact happening "on his side" (the AAR was somehow behind the body of the defender, actually could not see the contact clearly), then he should have seen that it was NO handball at all. Then, there is no reason to follow the input of an AAR.
      That's different to Karasev last season, where his AAR had a better position so that he had to follow him.

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    17. 1:10 http://livetv.sx/en/showvideo/278949_real_madrid_shakhtar_dn/

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    18. Anonymous16/9/15 00:42

      Actually, the link is not available due to legal issues. I'm not sticking up for Bebek, so much so I haven't seen the situation but we also have to bear in mind that on the pitch the referee does not have time to assess the positioning of his assistants.

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    19. Free line of sight, no doubt about that. He had very good position, and this is big mistake. There was no need at all to listen to AAR2 (but when I look again, I think he listened to C. Ronaldo). Second penalty also not so clear, but maybe we can say it is acceptable (even though he won't give such penalty to Shakhtar, I am convinced). What about first YC - was it clear? Second was absolutely correct.

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    20. http://fs1.directupload.net/images/150916/68u29z97.jpg

      The blue X shows where the contact was. From this replay angle it is also visible that AR2 stood still, maybe indicating doubts. Bebek furthermore looked more out to him than to AAR2 between giving the penalty kick and issuing a YC. We cannot be 100% sure who really took the decision.

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    21. I'm not sure about the clear line of sight; Bebek is very deep in the penalty area, and the player is pivoting. To me, it seems as three referees with poor angles trying to make out what happened. No one can be assigned full blame, except perhaps Bebek, who is responsible for his team (can you really call a penalty if no one is certain what happened) and who should have had a better angle on the play. That being said, FIFA and UEFA guidelines recommend going deep in the penalty area, so...

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    22. Just one further remark (BTW here the full video, http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch/europe/uefa-champions-league/real-madrid-vs-shakhtar-donetsk, match minutes 53-55).

      Bebek had a clear LOS on the back of the defender. And the ball touched the back, not the hand (I am not sure, Emil, whether you only saw the screenshot or the video to see that).

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    23. Just a query: Has no one thought that the decision may have been made by AR1 or the 4th Official? Given that the referee was almost level and AR2 and AAR2 were not in good positions to see the contact point, is it not plausible that the 4th Official or AR1 might have said something?

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    24. Anonymous16/9/15 13:56

      If not AAR2, only AR2 is possible. FO and AR1 should be suspended immediately if they dared to judge a situation in the opposite area.

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    25. Niclas, the angle you get at 1:45-1:50 in the livetv.sx video above shows it almost from Bebek's perspective. He can of course see that there is contact. But can he see whether the ball touched the arm or the back? The player's right arm is almost in perfect alignment with the back, and from a perpendicular angle, it can be very hard to differentiate conclusively. I'd say a perfect angle would be 30-60 degrees from play; here, Bebek has no angle at all.

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    26. IMO he had 60° approximately. But even if you are right, which would at least create some understanding for his apparent uncertainty, he could be blamed for moving thus deeply towards the goalline. Entering the penalty area is fine and expected, being only 6 metres away from the goalline a bit overenthusiastic. So, no matter how you look at it, IMO Bebek cannot be exculpated.

      The handball penalty in 63' shows that, maybe, Bebek's concentration was not the highest in 2 decisive penalty area handball situations.

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    27. Agree regarding his positioning.

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  17. Anonymous15/9/15 21:53

    two correct penalties by Královec in Sevilla

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    1. Second one correct, I do have some doubts about the first one. Soft one imo

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    2. Third one correct as well

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    3. About the 1st penalty, IMO incorrect decision. The goalkeeper touched the ball, after that the attacker fell somehow over the GK's hand, well....if it had been a defender, everybody would have said "ball was played"...nothing for me.

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  18. Anonymous15/9/15 21:54

    Btw... The new CL kits look really great!

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  19. Missed foul by Kompany before City goal

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    1. The one I have purchased is fantastic I should add!

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  20. Foul on Chiellini prior 1-0.

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  21. Another penalty given by Bebek, correctly this time

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    1. Poor Shakhtar with Bebek.
      The designations of UEFA
      are one disaster.

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  22. Anonymous15/9/15 22:11

    Crucial mistakes by Bebek and Skomina. Not good.

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  23. Anonymous15/9/15 22:28

    I like Tasos' style of refereeing and by and large he's been performing quite well in a rainy evening in Lisbon.

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    1. I am not watching the match so thanks for that.

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  24. Anonymous15/9/15 22:41

    My marks for Skomina's team (please, be kind on me, I'm quite new at this and I'm happy to learn some new stuff here)

    - Skomina: 7,9 (8,4)
    - Praprotnik: 8,4
    - Vukan: 8,4
    - Jug: 8,4
    - Vincic: 7,9

    K.S.

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    1. Looks good. The only question is whether Skomina will be blamed for the 1:0 goal as many players were, maybe, in front of him. A "British" ruling of the situation could even deem the goal as valid, as Chiellini did not jump (so of course Kompany was higher than Chiellini - however, I do not support this possible view).

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  25. ManCity - Juventus15/9/15 22:42

    Damir Skomina without any yellow cards in the top clash of this matchday - respect. Anyway it was a game very easy to handle. Skomina did a good job, only small areas for improvement.

    Unfortunately the 1:0 was irregular for me, IMO a clear foul. Skomina and his AAR2 Vincic should see it. Crucial mistake / so on I expect 7.9 for both.

    But overall a good Slovenian referee team.

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    1. Anonymous15/9/15 22:44

      no cards = respect

      no comment

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    2. Anonymous15/9/15 22:47

      Can you explain why no cards means respect in your opinion? A referee can miss many cards but you will say respect? Not understand.

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    3. ManCity - Juventus15/9/15 22:54

      Yes but Skomina did not miss many cards ;) In my opinion it is nearly always thanks to the good work of a referee team when a game is so fair that the referee needs any disciplinary sanctions.

      Tonight it was quite clear for me that it was also thanks to Skomina that the game was fair and easy to handle. Therefor he has my respect.

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  26. Your views on the terrible incident in Eindhoven-ManU (broken leg)?
    The replays are not nice to watch, but Rizzoli maybe could have given a penalty to ManU there.

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    1. I must correct myself. Clear penalty & RC for my taste.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8YX60N4X6M

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    2. Penalty for me...

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    3. ...and of course, red card.

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    4. Anonymous15/9/15 23:09

      Rizzoli was behind them. Stuff for AAR1.

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    5. To be honest, I cannot blame them too much, in live speed it is of course much more difficult to assess properly, as you said, Rizzoli probably had an obstructed LOS with the AAR being on the other side.

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    6. Anonymous16/9/15 00:02

      If the referee(s) used some common sense, they would have looked at the outcome of the tackle and deemed that the obvious endangering of the opponent's safety had occured.

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    7. Anonymous16/9/15 00:04

      People say that you should not referee according to reactions and outcomes, but when a player is bleeding because of an arm to the face or breaks a leg the offender must be punished accordingly - he has caused a serious injury by endangering the opponent.

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    8. Come on, we cannot justify this decision. It is clear SPF, penalty and RC by no means. I don't know what is going on with Rizzoli. At WC he was average, but got the final and in normal match had very good performance. Afterwards he wasn't the same referee, in almost every match had crucial mistake and problems with cards and detecting fouls. This happens too often. Obviously many referees had lousy performance today.

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    9. Can someone explain why this is a SFP? It is a reckless imo. But you could justify red for DOGSO...

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    10. Anonymous16/9/15 08:02

      I see no SFP neither.

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    11. The RC would be for DOGSO, IMO deeming it as reckless is enough. I also dare to say that on UCL level you cannot give a penalty based on common sense just because someone has a broken leg. Something like that can also happen while sliding without the opponent causing the damage.

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    12. Few comments:
      Niclas: yes, the speed of play makes it hard to follow, and there is a player in the way. That being said, we are talking about one of the Top15 referees in the world, who is trusted to oversee the most important matches in the world. He trains full-time for this, and is experienced at this level. To say that he cannot see because the game is too fast can lead to excusing any error, especially crucial mistakes. A referee of his calibre should be aware of the risks when a player comes flying like this, and concentrate extra hard to assess correctly.

      On the foul:
      - Moreno lunges, with no contact with the ground, and thus no control over his tackle.
      - The speed is very high. The player is therefore taking a strong risk, and has the responsibility to get it right.
      - The trailing leg clips the supporting foot, and has no chance of playing the ball legally.
      As such, Penalty and SFP for me.

      Anonymous: No, you cannot EVER judge only on consequences. I've seen players suffer terrible injuries on anodine tackles, and bleed after incidental contacts. It can serve to confirm an existing decision, but people get injured on careless, reckless and excessive tackles.

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    13. Agreed Emil. Trailing legs are mostly considered as YC, but I can agree with you that the speed of the tackle makes it rather excessive force. Let me say that I would however also support a YC.

      On your first paragraph, hm. If there is a dead angle because two players are moving together, probably closing the visual corridor of Rizzoli, he does not have that many chances to see it like we saw it.
      However, it is not the first time, in a certain way the incident reminded me on Neuer's challenge against Higuain in Rio last year. Ball played, yes, but in a way and with a force which makes the question whether the ball was played irrelevant..

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    14. Anonymous16/9/15 15:46

      Dutch newspapers are reporting that Howard Webb said about the Shaw incident that allthough the tackle was hard, there was no foul.
      Apparantely he said so to BT-sport. Can't find the original interview, only what is written in newspapers.

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    15. Anonymous16/9/15 16:23

      We all know that Webb tends to have a different interpretation of the laws, so this doesnt surprise me.

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    16. Anonymous16/9/15 17:03

      Webb another overrated referee like Rizzoli with a different version of LOTG.

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  27. Anonymous15/9/15 23:44

    Disallowed goal in City - Juventus: my theory is that AR2 raised the flag because convinced of a touch by player in offside. Without touch, I'm not sure it was a punishable offside. Your views?

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    1. Even without touch it is offside.

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    2. Anonymous16/9/15 13:04

      Can't find that situation, can you tell me in what minute that happened?

      Thanks,
      JS

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    3. Anonymous16/9/15 18:05

      12'.

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    4. Anonymous16/9/15 21:33

      thanks :)

      JS

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  28. Anonymous16/9/15 00:04

    The nightmare of additional assistant referees is now handball: the same Bebek team missed a penalty in EURO qualifiers match. But the list is now too long, including Meshkov, Filipovic, Gocek, Oliver...

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  29. Anonymous16/9/15 00:09

    How can Bebek's(or his assistant) mistake be effective for his future as an elite referee?
    Because he waited long enough for another oportunity in Champions League, I mean do you think he will be referee for another big matches or he blew his chance with this major mistake?

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  30. Anonymous16/9/15 00:14

    Sorry, good Skomina in Manchester? One important decision, in a easy match, one crucial mistake. allowing this goal by City. The classic lenient Skomina.

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  31. Anonymous16/9/15 12:41

    Goal of MC was after Kompany´s foul play. Wrong penalty in Madrid, CR7 influenced Bebek. Sorry, I couldn´t watch all matches so I can´t comment Shaw´s injury. But when the deffender caused terrible injury, referee must give a RC after consultation with all team during long break. Also great job by Královec - 3 PK - all correct as well. Thanks to comment if you want. Tomas - slovak referee.

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    1. Anonymous16/9/15 13:02

      Not so sure about the 1st penalty by Kralovec.

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  32. By the way, as nobody mentioned it so far if I did not overread it: Karasev and his AR1, maybe AAR1 involved, deemed a goal by PSG as offside.
    After reviewing it, rather an impact than LOS, I think the GK's view was free at the moment of the shot. http://livetv.sx/en/showvideo/279028_psg_malmoe/ (video minute 49:40)
    The question is whether the goalkeeper was really impacted. I think the decision can be supported though, also because there even was a physical contact.

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    1. I like the call and support the AR's decision, because the attacker was very close to the goalkeeper and there was a physical contact between the two of them (influencing the opponent). However, would appreciate more if the AR talked to the referee before raising the flag, as the referee, in general, should confirm infringement of line of vision.

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  33. And another situation: Bebek's correct 2nd penalty for handball. (62')
    http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch/europe/uefa-champions-league/real-madrid-vs-shakhtar-donetsk

    The problem: He first whistled a handball by the attacker. AR2 and AAR2 very likely changed his mind, then he whistled again and pointed to the spot. If I am not mistaken, UEFA guidelines demand a crucial mistake for that.

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    1. To me it seems his initial decision was a handball by the attacker, as he was pointing with his right arm to his left, and has his body was directed/was moving towards the center of the pitch. But the video does not show Bebek showing signals for it. The only signal I saw was the one for PK. So, I would not consider it crucial mistake. Thanks

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    2. The only signal came for the 2nd whistle. So the 1st whistle was apparently for an attacker's handball and that's what counts.

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    3. Anonymous16/9/15 16:38

      I didn't see any movement or signal for defensive foul so I'm wondering how can you say Bebek whistled attacking handball??

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    4. Watch the video more carefully.
      First whistle, movement turned rather towards the midfield than to the penalty area. Bebek claps with his hand onto the other hand, indicating HANDBALL. AR2 and AAR2 have eye-contact to him. 1 second later, Bebek whistles again, quickly turns to the penalty spot... the player reactions are clear as well.

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    5. Anonymous16/9/15 16:54

      Possibly he claps his hand to indicate handball but we can't say does he clap his hand for attacker's handball or defender's handball...so...don't know what to say about this situation. Still, the only direction he showed is to the PK, and that's what counts

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    6. Possibly? I don't think he applauded the players :)
      Why did he whistle twice in your opinion?

      To add, UEFA guidelines: "A clear refereeing mistake made by the referee still has to be considered even when the decision has been corrected after consultation with the Assistant Referee or Additional Assistant Referee."

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    7. Anonymous17/9/15 04:56

      Where can we read these UEFA guidelines?

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    8. Niclas, I fully agree with your presentation of the above mentioned situation, however, I think that in general, decision is issued with two signals: whistle and gesture. I was not listening carefully, but even if Bebek whistled the offensive foul he did not show it with gestures, so no decision was made/issued. I highly appreciate your comments so would like to hear the expanation on when the "issuing decision process" is complete. thanks

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    9. Anonymous17/9/15 17:52

      Could Niclas or anyone else please let us know where can we find these UEFA guidelines for referee observers?

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    10. Unfortunately they are not for public view.

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    11. It's the same in Polish:
      http://www.dolzpn.wroclaw.pl/cms/files/files/KSWroclaw/szkolenie/wskazowki_dla_obserwatorow_2012.pdf

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    12. Anonymous18/9/15 00:15

      Niclas, if we speak about handball of attacker which you said Bebek whistled, if you see video at 3.40 you can see that he is showing (to Shakhtar player number 5, who is protesting) where the ball has touched attacker prior punishable handball for PK (to the leg/hip)...so saying that he whistled attacker's handball is...hm...

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    13. Anonymous18/9/15 18:03

      If they are not for public view, how come Niclas has them? Is he not part of the public? Is this blog public or affiliated to UEFA? An independent blog would post any information that they can obtain. If the Polish document is public, why the English version is not?

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    14. This blog is totally independent but when you get stuff that are distributed by UEFA only for Referee observers, there are many risks if you publish them.

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    15. Anonymous19/9/15 06:00

      Hmmm... In other words, some of you, although independent as you said, get stuff from UEFA (documents, appointments, etc.), while others, who are also independent, get nothing... Is that fair? On the other hand, any independent blog or website would publish any information they get, especially that not publicly "distributed" by official organizations. If this blog does not publish such information, where is the independence? With regard to the guidelines for referee observers, you seem to have received them from UEFA (and use them in your reports), but other readers of this blog do not have such information.

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    16. Maybe you could give this blog's owner the chance to comment on that. If he - i.e. me - is offline for 2 days, it's not that fair...

      Anyway, you will surely understand that we have our informants who provide us with such documents. However, they risk much and have to combine their loyalty to UEFA with their will to support our site and the quality of our reports. So calm down, drink a coffee and relax. Maybe I had already planned to publish them somehow.... be sure that I will upload a document soon showing the guidelines we pass to our observers - they are quite similar..

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    17. Oh and by the way, most of your sentences are mere speculation and not true [With regard to the guidelines for referee observers, you seem to have received them from UEFA - nope; On the other hand, any independent blog or website would publish any information they get, especially that not publicly "distributed" by official organizations - nope, specially if this website has given its informants the promise to protect them.....].

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    18. Anonymous19/9/15 16:58

      And for avoidance of any doubt - the UEFA guidelines are translated into national languages and provided to national observers too. The same language appears in the Swedish version too. Trust me. I have a copy too of course.

      /Swedish observer

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    19. Niclas, please, please, keep up the good work.
      I have learnt so much from everyone here and kindly ask you to continue providing comments on situations from the matches and video clips, rather than to make fuss about issues irelevant to the objective of the web site.

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    20. Anonymous20/9/15 00:09

      @ Swedish Observer: most of the readers of this blog are not national observers, so they do not have access to such documents.

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    21. Anonymous21/9/15 04:08

      Speaking about these guidelines for observers, does anyone have an English version (or a link to such document) similar to the UEFA version?

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  34. PSG - Malmo (Karasev)

    The "most key incident". Offside, disallowed goal.
    https://vid.me/oXTw

    Wasn't there a handball by the player who made assist at 1-0 goal? Plus two another handball issues.
    https://vid.me/1epI
    https://vid.me/XCc9
    https://vid.me/8NLs

    Careless or reckless:
    https://vid.me/0VXe

    Offensive foul and play-on call. Correct?
    https://vid.me/bKiN
    https://vid.me/xvtE

    Management:
    https://vid.me/tlBk

    Contact above shoulders:
    https://vid.me/QIY6
    https://vid.me/Lc9S

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    1. Anonymous16/9/15 18:56

      1) Correct offside call disallowing goal.
      2) Deliberate handball, crucial mistake.
      3) Perhaps shoulder by Ibrahimovic, borderline.
      4) Not a deliberate handball
      5) Reckless, missed YC.
      6) No foul, a OGSO was denied.
      7) If you whistle the previous foul, this is something more.
      8) Good management in the first situation, a better dealing in the second one was possible.
      9) YC
      10) YC

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  35. 1. Correct offside call
    Handballs:
    1. No handball (not because I see it, but because the MA players do not protest :) )
    2. No handball
    3. No handball

    Reckless/YC

    1. 2 offensive fousl committed, first against no. 2 and than against no. 32
    2. Heh, light elbow move, but play-on for me

    Excellent management in the first situation / alertness and prevention; the second one - unsporting behavior / YC (but maybe it would be too harsh in the CL, 40m away from the goal...)

    Contacts above shoulders:
    1. YC
    2. YC

    Thanks for the clips

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  36. Anonymous17/9/15 12:43

    I need some help here... I was asked about a disallowed goal in Manchester City v Juventus, other than Paul Pogba situation. I was given minute 63' but I don't see anything...

    Any of you guys who watched the game, there is any other goal disallowed for offside to Man City??

    Thanks!!

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