April 3, 2016

Champions League 2015/16 - Felix Brych and Szymon Marciniak to kick-off the Quarterfinals

Big task for Germany's Felix Brych: The 40-year old UEFA Elite Referee will take charge of the all-Spanish Champions League duel between FC Barcelona and Atlético Madrid under the eyes of Pierluigi Collina. At the same time, Poland's Szymon Marciniak has been rewarded for his good performance in Real Madrid - AS Roma and will oversee Bayern München's quarterfinal against SL Benfica.



05/04/2016
20:45 CET - Allianz Arena, München (GER)
FC Bayern München
Bayern
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Benfica
SL Benfica

Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Pawel Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Michal Listkiewicz (POL)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Pawel Raczkowski (POL)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Musial (POL)
4th Official: Radoslaw Siejka (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jaap Uilenberg (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Mike Foster (ENG)
Referee Liaison Officer: Josef Maier (GER)
The 3rd Team Referee Observer: Chefren (ITA)









05/04/2016
20:45 CET - Camp Nou, Barcelona (ESP)
FC Barcelona
Barcelona
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Atlético
Atlético Madrid

Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Marco Fritz (GER)
4th Official: Marco Achmüller (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Pierluigi Collina (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Pierino Lardi (SUI)
Referee Liaison Officer: Antonio Uzcudun Gomez (ESP)
The 3rd Team Referee Observer:



71 Comments:

  1. I didn't expect Brych with Collina. So now we can rule him out from semifinals and we can consider him as candidate for a final (of course only in case of Bayern out from the competition). The observation by Collina will be very important also as test before EURO.
    Brych already handled this exact game at this stage of the competition (quarterfinals) two years ago: 01/04/14.
    In the other game excellent appointment for Marciniak, following a very good performance in Real Madrid - Roma. I still think he could be a candidate for EL final.

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  2. Predictions about PSG-CITY and Wolfsburg-Real?

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    1. Mine are:
      PSG-City: Rizzoli
      Wolfsburg-Real: Mazic

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    2. Wolfsburg-Real Kuipers or Atkinson

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    3. PSG-ManCity: Mazic
      Wolfsburg-Real: Rocchi

      are mine.

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    4. PSG - City: Kassai
      Wolfsburg - R. Madrid: Kuipers

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    5. Kassai appointed in hungarian division on Wednesday.

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    6. That's good information, not a prediction ;)

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  4. Great documentary on Dr. Brych

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9yuvkHLUBI

    The Thai is really annoying though, can anybody find just the English version?

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  5. Is it just me or does Collina do more and more observation himself? Sign that EURO is approaching and that he wants to see everyone himself?

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    1. Correct observation, the reason should be exactly what you said: EURO preparation with his referees.

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  6. Bruch made good decision for 2nd yellow card by Torres.

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    1. Hmm, I have a feeling he is somehow influenced by the home crowd (in example stern warnings regarding time wasting against Oblak) and a last warning to Torres would have suited the game better.

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    2. The tackle from Busquets minutes later was worse. But no YC.

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    3. @RayHD
      His 2nd start was „reckless". In my opinion, Brych could've warned Torres for the first start. But he has controll of the match.

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    4. @son of Eskile
      Yes, you're right.

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    5. @son of Eskile
      Yes, you're right.

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    6. Of course, I have different point of view. It was Torres' second foul of the game, it was on the middle of the pitch , he is not dirty player, this is derby match of CL quatterfinals... Even if it was reckless foul, strong warning (for stupidity rather) would be enough, and no one would complain. Much better decision for the match. I am saying again - referee should feel and understand the game, and not destroy the match. Until then, it was normal match and noone expected red card. Tell me: would Brych give RC to Torres in same situation on Calderon? No chance! For me foul on Neymar somewhere in 75 minute was more RC (Spanish commentator said the same: "Esto no es una tarjeta amarilla, este es el rojo"). We have to say that many people have the feeling that refs help Barcelona: PKs and RCs for opponents are often given, and many of them were suspicious. Many people say that when is tough, "Barca goes to formation 4-3-3-3". So, this decision will have many reactions, especially because Barca wins.

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    7. The foul was reckless but a warning is enough? Wwwwhat?

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  7. My views on the first half in Barcelona:

    - Good and invisible start into the game, no problems.

    - Good and clear first YC against Torres.

    - YC against Koke for a tactical foul could have maybe been avoided. Marginal touch on Messi - anyway, Koke did not complain, a contact was there. Acceptable.

    - 2nd YC, fully correct. The tackle fulfilled the criteria for "reckless", deliberate thigh knock on the calf with the ball away / not as the main target.

    - After that he should have given a technically not mandatory, but tactically needed YC to balance the card-scoring between both teams.

    - He solved this hot period in the game quite well, with a clear approach, body language and an assertive management. The usual deficits: card presentation, whistle language, and - as said - the YC which better should have been given for tactical purpose.

    - AR1 with a blatant offside mistake. Understandable due to the movement of the attacker, but should not happen at this level.

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    1. Big mistake by AR1.
      Fully agree.

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    2. The caution procedure on Torres case, is simply unacceptable for a referee at this level.

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    3. 90.000 supporters, a correct 2nd YC in 36' in a Spanish derby - I think card showing procedures are a point to improve which is always worth of thinking of, but in that situation a first world problem.

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    4. IMO the second YC could by avoided by player (F.Tores) management. If it happen again in the next case it will be easy decision.

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    5. This is Brych-Style... So far nobody Gas a Problem with that

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  8. Marciniak and his team with no problems so far

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    1. Now a mistake! Foul by Vidal for sure, marciniak decides for advantage, clear game on with a pass. The next Player did loos the ball and then the First Foul was whistled!
      But no influence...

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  9. https://twitter.com/GoonerManN5/status/717437812568694784

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    1. Yeah, I caught it live, but was not sure about it so didn't want to comment. Now it's clear - red card. No negative reaction from the ATM player is really astonishing.

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  10. Don't know about UEFA for sure (it rather lies under 'enlarging the body surface when blocking the ball' category), but this is a 100% penalty in Poland:

    https://vimeo.com/161673487

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    1. As I said, in Poland always. :)

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    2. Not for Marciniak ;)

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    3. Not for Marciniak in UEFA competitions. I may guarantee you that it would be whistled immediately in Polish Ekstraklasa. :)

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    4. Correct for me. Deliberate? No. Careless? No. (unbelievable that careless must be taken in one row with deliberate..). Football-natural position, small distance, in precedence cases Collina deemed that as rather NO penalty.

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    5. Correct decision in UEFA competitions:

      "if in opinion of the referee the player's arm is in natural position when he falls on the ground, play is then allowed to continue'

      In Polish competitions:

      "if the player doesn't fight for the ball but is going to block the shot/centre, the only natural hand position is such that doesn't increase body surface"

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  11. Good performance by Brych. At the 1st half, he had little problem with YC ciretir. Good decision for Toress 2nd YC. He had three or four situations yes/no penalty and he made good decisions. Briliant body language. One big mistake by AR1 on the end of 1st half-At this level, that shouldn't be happening.

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    1. This is going to be my last post on this blog. I don't find it interesting and objective anymore (there were 1 or 2 situations when I was subjective, too). Here, there are beloved refs, such as Brych, Kuipers, Eriksson, Clattenburg, Atkinson - and what ever they do, here people write:good performance, acceptable decisions and so on - always find the way to justify their mistakes. On the other hand, there ate refs such Mazic, Lahoz, Turpin where every wrong decision (wrong out, missed foul) is emphasized! And when they do great job - their body language is the problem, because one can't find anything else.
      For me, Brych's performance tonight wasn't even close to be named as "good". I can't remember every situation, but those would be enough:
      - missed YC in 1st half to Buskets (he would receive second for elbow later),
      -missed RC for Suarez - foul on Juanfran,
      -missed 2nd RC for Suarez after punching with open hand on Felipe Luis (only YC?)
      -missed RC for Hernandez after foul on Neymar for DOGSO.

      I know many of you would say I am not right, but just watch twitter, other blogs, portals and see what many people think. But, you know what - besides those obvious mistakes, I think Brych was not bad at all tonight and for me his biggest mistake was RC for Torres, because he could and should avoid it (I am not the fan of RCs when they are not necessary). Once again, if this match was played in Vicente Calderon, he would never, ever give Torres second YC.l for that foul. If he would go STRICT BY THE RULES, besides Torres, he had to give at least two, probably three RCs and totally ruin the game. So, refs are not robots and they shouldn't always follow the rules.
      I am leaving now. All the best to all of you!

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    2. Your problem is that you have no idea of refereeing and rely on Spanish commentators when having your "opinion" of a missed RC for DOGSO (everybody has an opinion which is nice and the problem). The attacker would have never reached the ball, so it cannot be DOGSO. But I forgot...Spanish commentators think differently.

      - "missed YC in 1st half to Buskets (he would receive second for elbow later)" - you can only be a journalist. Busquets maybe would not make the elbow later if he had been cautioned earlier?!

      So adieu, I won't miss you.

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    3. Dear Niclas.
      Sorry, but I must say something about your behaviour here. Even someone was absolutely wrong in his statements or had absolutely different opinion than yours, no matter is it Nole or someone else, you can't be that much arrogant.
      What others should do if you as admin are so arrogant and unpleasant.
      I highly respect your work here, and I think that you really dont need such behavior. Simply, its not good for this wonderful blog.
      All the best.

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    4. This is going to be my last post on this blog. I don't find it interesting and objective anymore (there were 1 or 2 situations when I was subjective, too). Here, there are beloved refs, such as Brych, Kuipers, Eriksson, Clattenburg, Atkinson - and what ever they do, here people write:good performance, acceptable decisions and so on - always find the way to justify their mistakes. On the other hand, there ate refs such Mazic, Lahoz, Turpin where every wrong decision (wrong out, missed foul) is emphasized! And when they do great job - their body language is the problem, because one can't find anything else.
      For me, Brych's performance tonight wasn't even close to be named as "good". I can't remember every situation, but those would be enough:
      - missed YC in 1st half to Buskets (he would receive second for elbow later),
      -missed RC for Suarez - foul on Juanfran,
      -missed 2nd RC for Suarez after punching with open hand on Felipe Luis (only YC?)
      -missed RC for Hernandez after foul on Neymar for DOGSO.

      I know many of you would say I am not right, but just watch twitter, other blogs, portals and see what many people think. But, you know what - besides those obvious mistakes, I think Brych was not bad at all tonight and for me his biggest mistake was RC for Torres, because he could and should avoid it (I am not the fan of RCs when they are not necessary). Once again, if this match was played in Vicente Calderon, he would never, ever give Torres second YC.l for that foul. If he would go STRICT BY THE RULES, besides Torres, he had to give at least two, probably three RCs and totally ruin the game. So, refs are not robots and they shouldn't always follow the rules.
      I am leaving now. All the best to all of you!

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    5. ...Here, there are beloved refs, such as Brych, Kuipers, Eriksson, Clattenburg, Atkinson - and what ever they do, here people write:good performance, acceptable decisions and so on - always find the way to justify their mistakes. On the other hand, there ate refs such Mazic, Lahoz, Turpin where every wrong decision (wrong out, missed foul) is emphasized! And when they do great job - their body language is the problem, because one can't find anything else…
      @Niclas
      As Nole said, this is the biggest problem on this blog. Yo're not objective. Everyone of us have favorite ref. That's not problem. Problem is that what you critising every ref who isn't your favorite and overreacting too. Why? And please, tell me, why you're such arrogant?

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    6. Lastnight i didn't Suarez foul on Juanfran. Now I change my opinion. Brych missed RC, at least 2nd YC for Suarez. 7.9 for him.

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    7. I can understand Niclas - it is difficult to stay calm when an user critizes nearly every top referee nearly every week; mostly on the basis of commentators or fans and not based on the Laws of the Game... Best examples therefor yesterday, especially the "missed RC" for Suarez (2nd situation) and Hernandez, mentioned by Nole. Both situations never a RC according to LOTG. On the other hand he did not want the 2nd YC for Torres - an absolute correct decision. It is not a problem if an user doesn't know the LOTG but then he should avoid to harass every top referee and their good performances! Furthermore the way Nole vents his opinion is provoking and discrespectful most of the time.


      @ Referee138: If you say Suarez foul on Juanfran is YC, it is only -0.1 and not 7.9 - you cannot say this would be the first YC, later in the game he got indeed a YC, so it would be all in all a (missing) send-off. That doesn't work.
      7.9 only if you judge the foul on Juanfran as RC.

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    8. 'Foul' on Juanfran is missed violent conduct in 34'. You mixed it up with Busquets. :)

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    9. I know, I know - but Referee138 said either missed RC (= 7.9) or at least 2nd YC for Suarez (= no 7.9; at this moment he had no YC). Or do I misunderstand him?

      (for me violent conduct and so on RC + 7.9 - but according to his posting I assume that Referee138 wants RC or YC. YC would not be 7.9)

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    10. What I can ensure that I go into every match as a neutral and open-minded person - both on the pitch and in front of the TV. I try that at least, we all know that we are all subjective. Human heuristics and biases are hard to avoid.

      Gitzlo hit the nail. My patience in terms of some Serbian users (or rather the same user) is converging to 0. And definitely not only mine.

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    11. My opinion about Brych's performance yesterday:

      - Torres: both yellow cards were correct. Therefore, the red card is correct.
      - Suárez: missed red card for violent conduct on Juanfran (first half). Correct yellow card for pushing an opponent recklessly (second half).
      - Lucas' foul on Neymar: Correct yellow card (not excessive force, neither DOGSO).
      - Missed YC for Busquets right after the second yellow card for Torres.
      -Control: Unfortunately, for me he could not control the match. He had little acceptance from the players (specially At. Madrid's) and, although he only had one crucial mistake which was specially difficult to assess as the ball was already away from the action, I somehow expected better control of the match from him. However, it has to be considered that this one was a very difficult match to referee.

      My mark would be 7.8, and a second thought about the possibility of him getting the final.

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    12. I'm not sure whether Collina will attach a crucial mistake to Brych (he can assess the Suárez' violent conduct as not so possible to catch in real pace). I fully agree on the rest and would add some remarks:

      - Brych was nervous when communicating with players, had not the best rapport with them, a calmer approach would have helped him and the game much;
      - we shouldn't forget four penalty appeals rightly waved away by Brych: alleged handball (27'), the most difficult scene - Barcelona attacker miscontrols the ball but it seems he's hacked down by an opponent (51'), two clear examples of simulation / creating contact where Barcelona players were interested only in bumping into opponents in order to win a penalty kick (78', 85'; I would appreciate yellow cards in both cases).

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    13. I cannot imagine a crucial mistake for the missed violent conduct either. IMO Brych was focussed on the ball and did not catch it. AAR1 had the best and maybe only chance to spot and report it which he did not do.

      Good observations RayHD. The marking system for this concrete performance is probably like a lottery. It strongly depends on the observer, I can imagine every mark between 8.2 and 8.6. Reminds me on Stark in el clásico, which was a very polarizing performance and poor for many but, if my information is/was correct, one of the highest UEFA marks ever.

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    14. With stark you are right... Uilenberg was the mark in a very challenging match phantastic

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    15. @Gitzlo
      You misunderstood me because i wasn't precise in my explanation. My point was that he made mistake. How big mistake is , we will see.

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  12. There are simply too many situations to focus on. OVERALL a good performance by Brych, with many highlights and some mistakes. The big decisions were ok in the maybe most challenging CL match of this season.

    I cannot see the twitter link, is it Suarez (trying to) kick(ing) someone at the right goalline?

    Generally Brych applied the Laws today. Whistled 2 wrongly taken throw-ins. Imagine Rizzoli et al doing that.. A different, stricter approach than we have seen in WC final 2014 and comparable matches.

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    1. Funny thing you mention that, Niclas, I watched Marciniak's game and there was a clear throw in by Ribery with a foot up and about 10 meters off the spot. Of course no call, otherwise good job by the polish team.

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    2. Dito
      For me more than expected level because the difficulty and the correct "big" decisions!
      And also "Collina-Style" for me with flow in the game and a hard line in personal punishment!
      Also really good body language...

      We will see a German Team in a big Uefa-final! 3 finals, 3 football- and a referee-Team ;)

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    3. Niclas, try this one:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67f_InGjpHg

      I fully agree with your post. The phrase "Brych applied the Laws today" highlights well what style of refereeing he presented. My only concern was in regard to Torres' sending off. I felt both cards were soft at the time, but after watching replays, I have to agree with Brych. What was Torres thinking about? Both fouls were cynical, fully deliberate fouls, even more UB (provoking an opponent) than reckless fouls. Of course, one could've managed it without showing any cards or with only one card, but was Brych wrong? Not. It's Torres' fault.

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    4. I had feared that. In the live situation I just said to someone else "uuuuh that's red", but no replay was shown. Clear violent conduct with AAR1 being no support here. Maybe a RC would have ruined the match, but sorry, when we talk about violent conduct there can be no discussion about such things.

      About Torres..Brych's style in these matches was known to UEFA before the match. Real-Tottenham some years ago, 2nd YC after two reckless fouls after 17 minutes. Barca-Atlético, many cards as well...last year the Madrid derby. UEFA got what they probably had known they would get before.

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  13. Btw who is the blog observer in Barcelona? They have a big job...

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    1. We'll have a separate post on that (pilot-phase and preparation for EURO2016), written by Artur.

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  14. Hi All,
    I believe that Brych decision yesterday to sent-off Torres was fully correct. In my view if he missed this decision the match was totally change to street fight as normal between BAR-ATL. He put in front of his eyes the consequences could be happen afterwards. Definitely overall his performance was good. I could give him score of 8/10 due to match difficulty.
    last but not least, The 2nd leg will be very tough for the man on the middle and i could guess that Colina take the decision yesterday. Either Rizzoli or Çakir.

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    1. I agree, Rizzoli is my guess too. Other names would be Çakir or Atkinson - but rather unlikely in my opinion.

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  15. Just as a discussion: could UEFA consider an spaniard (not Velasco as he's from Madrid) to handle the return leg given that both teams spanish? Would such appointment be possitive in the way that the teams and the referees know each other quite well and therefore know what to expect, or would instead be more problematic as any incident will be more criticised after the match and linked with previous spanish league-related performances?

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    1. I understand your arguments, but I think the probability for that is really 0%.

      My prediction is Rizzoli, 100%. Collina has seen himself how difficult the return leg will be (ask Howard Webb, he knows that too).

      I believe we won't see Atkinson in this round but in the semis only. Clattenburg in Madrid or Lisbon, depending on Skomina who, I think, will get a quarterfinal return leg. Maybe in Lisbon, maybe in Manchester.

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    2. I think, Rizzoli and Kuipers should be sure for CL QFs and I expect them in the Wednesday Matches, not sure in which order, because Rizzoli might be kept for a possible clasico or Madrid Derby in the semis. Clattenburg is unlikely next week after his Match tomorrow, he should get a CL semi or even the final. Atkinson could get the match in Bernabeu. And for Manchester I expect Cakir. Skomina could get the Liverpool match, I think.

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