April 17, 2016

Thoughts on the Referees to be appointed for the last 10 Matches...

Still being thrilled by last week's Champions League (UCL) and Europa League (UEL) quarterfinal matches, let's have an early glance at what awaits us and UEFA's referees in the semifinals that have been drawn on last Friday. Keep in mind: The following text is a mixture between what I would do on the one hand and what I think UEFA will do on the other hand.


The four duels are...:

UCL:

Manchester City vs Real Madrid
Atlético Madrid vs FC Bayern München

UEL:


Villarreal CF vs Liverpool FC
Shakhtar Donetsk vs Sevilla FC

Let's start with the four Champions League duels. For sure, an important question to be answered before appointing semifinal referees is "Who should referee the final(s)?". In my view, this is clear since last week. Swedish Jonas Eriksson (photo) will have the honor to take charge of the Champions League final 2016 by 99,9% for my taste. His only real competitive, German Felix Brych, did well in the Barca vs Atlético game - also UEFA has this impression apparently. However, most decisions went against Atlético that made them raise strange conspiracy theories after the game. If Bayern qualify, Brych is out as he is from Munich, Germany. If Atlético qualify for the final, he is very likely out as well, as his appointment would create fuss in the media even before the very first whistle is blown. So... bad luck for Brych, he will have to wait another season. With Eriksson, UEFA exactly knows what they get and despite a crucial mistake by his first assistant referee in the Bayern vs Juventus Round of 16 match, he did quite well. So, my premise for the following is: Eriksson gets the UCL final. Another premise is: Nicola Rizzoli will get no further match before EURO 2016. Those who have seen Atlético vs Barca last week know why.


Brych should be rewarded for his good performance in Barcelona. As he did not handle Manchester City or Real Madrid in this season's K.O. stage, it is quite probable that UEFA will appoint him for one of this tie's legs. Usually they appoint a referee, who comes from the same nation like a team that joins the other semifinal, for the first leg to maximize the perceived level of impartiality. Therefore I expect Felix Brych in Manchester City vs Real Madrid.

Another interesting question is which English referee will be appointed for one of the Atlético vs Bayern legs. Definitely there will be only one English referee team in the semifinals (the only other option would be that one of Martin Atkinson / Mark Clattenburg gets the final...) as the 1st and 2nd leg referee teams should normally come from different national associations. While Clattenburg had a decent outing in the Atlético vs PSV Eindhoven Round of 16 match - and as Atlético won, there won't be that much prejudices; appointing Clattenburg thus would be accepted -, Atkinson did not perform well in Juventus vs Bayern. Personally I think that Atkinson got enough last season and is not at the peak of his abilities at the moment. Therefore I would prefer Clattenburg for a semifinal. It might be that UEFA sees it vice versa though. Analogously to Brych, I think UEFA will appoint an English referee for the match in Vicente Calderón. My prediction thus is: Mark Clattenburg to referee Atlético Madrid vs Bayern München.

Now it becomes more difficult. Someone who cannot be ignored after his widely good performances this season and last week is Turkish Cüneyt Çakır. I think the "closer" duel of those 2 UCL semifinals is the German-Spanish one. For this reason - and as Bayern's stadium is usually a difficult turf for UEFA officials - I think Çakır will take charge of the 2nd leg of Bayern München vs Atlético Madrid.

The biggest doubt I have is about who should referee the 2nd leg of Real Madrid vs ManCity in Santiago Bernabeu. Maybe this match is partly decided after the 1st leg. Maybe not. It has to be someone with a decent level of experience in big games for sure. Normally the most logical conclusion would be Björn Kuipers. His crucial mistake in Benfica vs Bayern last week was however a number too blatant and clear. I am not sure whether a clear 7.9 in a quarterfinal rules you out of a semifinal - but I think so. If we ignore him for a moment, there are many alternatives.

1) Damir Skomina. He has had a pretty good season so far and did some big games, mostly with a good performance and invisible appearance (low number of cards expect last week's Spanish UEL derby). I have not watched his performance in Sevilla last week, but it seems to have been quite good from what I heard. If so, then a UCL semifinal would make sense.


2) Szymon Marciniak: A rising star who is collecting experience in really big games this season. He did well in most of his matches, e.g. Real Madrid vs AS Roma or Bayern vs Benfica. A UCL semifinal would be deserved, but of course quite early in his career and a bit too risky. From a psychological point of view, he should be appointed for a UEL semifinal, but not for UCL.


3) Viktor Kassai & Milorad Mažić: Both did not always show the best performances in the early phase of this season and both somehow had to recover after WC 2014 (Kassai as he was not nominated for it, Mažić as he did not play a good role in Brazil). Kassai seems to have performed well in St Petersburg and Madrid - Mažić did overall well in ManU vs Liverpool. The Serbian however struggled a bit in Paris vs ManCity, there were 2 difficult penalty area decisions to take and, at least in my view, one of them was wrongly taken. Anyway: under the premise that Atlético vs Bayern goes to Çakır and Clattenburg, there is no room in UCL for both referees, as they handled either ManCity or Real Madrid in the quarterfinals.


4) Pavel Královec or Svein Moen: Both should not remain unmentioned. Královec had a good season and was my favourite for the UEL final for a long time. But his last performances were below expected level due to too many crucial mistakes. Svein Moen delivered solid, but never completely good performances this season from my point of view. Gent vs Wolfsburg showed that he has one huge problem: a lack of acceptance (as a result of missing tactical cleverness, I would dare to say). I think both should not get a further match before EURO 2016.

So, to come back to Kuipers, I don't think that he should be ruled out too early. But I would prefer Skomina, who also has semifinal experience and would deserve it more or less. No doubt that Björn Kuipers in Real Madrid vs ManCity would be a good choice as well (as you can argue that his wrongly interpreted SPA/DOGSO situation was 1 mistake and no sign of a systematically problematic performance).

In conclusion, I would choose:

Manchester City vs Real Madrid: Felix Brych (Germany)
Atlético Madrid vs Bayern München: Mark Clattenburg (England)

Bayern München vs Atlético Madrid: Cüneyt Çakır (Turkey)
Real Madrid vs Manchester City: Damir Skomina (Slovenia)

and Jonas Eriksson for the UCL final.

For Europa League, there are some other names to add: Above all, Scottish William Collum who did not have his best season, but did well and on the expected level in Bayer Leverkusen vs Villarreal CF in UEL Round of 16. A semifinal would be the logical next step. Shakhtar Donetsk vs Sevilla FC - without any doubt a big game - would be an opportunity. Then, there is Italy's Gianluca Rocchi, who also did well this season and could be rewarded with a semifinal or even the final. As there is no other Italian (assumed Orsato won't get a match and Rizzoli is out after his performance in Madrid), it would be no surprise to see Rocchi at Anfield Road (he may not handle Shakhtar as an Italian).

As previously outlined, I think Kassai and Marciniak should get futher matches, but not in UCL. In case of Mažić, all depends on how UEFA has seen the penalty area decisions in Paris. If he got a good mark, he would be a candidate for the final in Basel.

In conclusion, I would choose:

Villarreal CF vs Liverpool FC: Viktor Kassai (Hungary)
Shakhtar Donetsk vs Sevilla FC: William Collum (Scotland) (more conservative alternatives: Martin Atkinson or Björn Kuipers)

Sevilla FC vs Shakhtar Donetsk: Szymon Marciniak (Poland)
Liverpool FC vs Villarreal CF: Gianluca Rocchi (Italy)

and either Milorad Mažić, Szymon Marciniak or Damir Skomina - depending on the semifinal appointments - for the UEL final.

However, all these ideas are like a lottery and surely depend on several things most of us cannot and do not know. What are your thoughts? 

UPDATE:

Referee Observers for next week:

UCL:
Manchester City vs Real Madrid: William Young (Scotland)
Atlético Madrid vs Bayern München: Alfredo Trentalange (Italy, FIFA ref. committee)

UEL:
Villarreal CF vs Liverpool FC: Murat Ilgaz (Turkey)
Shakhtar Donetsk vs Sevilla FC: Stefan Ormandjiev (Bulgaria)

66 Comments:

  1. Man City - Real Madrid: Brych
    Real Madrid - Man City: Kuipers

    Atlético Madrid - Bayern: Clattenburg
    Bayern - Atlético Madrid: Çakir

    Final: Eriksson. In case of Bayern-City: Velasco Carballo

    Sevilla - Donetsk: Moen
    Donetsk - Sevilla: Mazic

    Villareal - Liverpool: Rocchi
    Liverpool - Villareal: Kassai

    Final: Skomina

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  2. I agree with most of your considerations, but not concerning Brych. I think he wont be appointed again. Skomina, Mazic, Clatteburg, Eriksson and Cakir are my names for CL's remaining matches. I agree, more or less, on the rest, including EL in which I strongly hope to see Kassai.

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  3. UCL
    Man.City- Real Madrid Damir Skomina
    Atlético Madrid- Bayern München Mark Clattenbur

    Real Madrid- Man.City Felix Brych
    Bayern München - Atlético Madrid Cüneyt Cakir

    Final: Jonas Eriksson


    UEL:
    Villareal-Liverpool Szymon Marciniak
    Sahtar- Sevilla Martin Atkinson

    Liverpool-Villareal Viktor Kassai
    Sevilla- Sahtar William Collum

    Final Milorad Mazic

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  4. Marciniak not for Sevilla vs. Donetzk. I would not bring a Polish ref for a match of the "Russian" team of Ukraine. Politically to dangerous.....

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    1. Generally a good point. On the other hand Marciniak already handled Shakhtar vs an Austrian team earlier this season with the political circumstances in the region being equally (if not more) tensed like at the moment.

      Marciniak could also handle one of the Liverpool ties.

      The observers known so far are....
      Stefan Ormandjiev (BUL) for Shakhtar-Sevilla and Murat Ilgaz (TUR) for Villarreal-Liverpool... so: very likely, experienced Elite officials have been chosen.

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    2. Szymon Marciniak also handled Dynamo Kyiv - ACF Fiorentina and Shakhtar Donetsk - Rapid Wien last year, both of them even in the Ukraine.

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    3. Sorry, didn't see Niclas' comment before ...

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  5. OT: Does anyone know the attendees of the UEFA referees workshop in the outskirts of Paris starting today?

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    1. The 18+2 teams that are nominated for the EURO including the reserve assistants.
      http://www.uefa.org/protecting-the-game/refereeing/news/newsid=2338168.html

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  6. Coupe de France - Semifinals

    19/04/2016

    FC Lorient - Paris Saint-Germain FC (8 pm)
    Referee: Frank Schneider (FIFA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Henninot
    Assistant Referee 2: Djemel Zitouni
    Fourth Official: Sébastien Moreira
    Additional Assistant Referee 1: Mikaël Lesage
    Additional Assistant Referee 2: Jérôme Miguelgorry

    20/04/2016

    FC Sochaux-Montbéliard - Olympique de Marseille (8 pm)
    Referee: Benoît Millot (FIFA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Hicham Zakrani (FIFA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Julien Pacelli
    Fourth Official: Johan Hamel
    Additional Assistant Referee 1: Bartolomeu Varela Teles
    Additional Assistant Referee 2: Stéphane Jochem

    FA Cup - Semifinals

    Sat 23rd Apr 2016
    Everton FC v Manchester United FC
    Referee: Taylor, Anthony
    Assistant Referee: Burt, Stuart
    Assistant Referee: Brooks, John
    Fourth Official: Moss, Jonathan
    Reserve Assistant Referee: Smart, Edward


    Sun 24th Apr 2016
    Crystal Palace FC v Watford FC
    Referee: Pawson, Craig
    Assistant Referee: Mullarkey, Michael
    Assistant Referee: Betts, Lee
    Fourth Official: Oliver, Michael
    Reserve Assistant Referee: Hussin, Ian

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    1. And furthermore,
      DFB-Pokal - Semifinals

      19/04/2016

      FC Bayern München - SV Werder Bremen 1899 (7.30 pm)
      Referee: Tobias Stieler (FIFA)
      Assistant Referee 1: Sascha Thielert
      Assistant Referee 2: Norbert Grudzinski
      Fourth Official: Guido Winkmann

      20/04/2016

      Hertha BSC 1892 - BV Borussia 1909 Dortmund (7.30 pm)
      Referee: Deniz Aytekin (FIFA)
      Assistant Referee 1: Christian Dietz
      Assistant Referee 2: Benjamin Cortus
      Fourth Official: Peter Sippel

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  7. Dutch FA cup:

    Feyenoord-FC Utrecht
    Referee: Kuipers
    AR's: Van Roekel, Zeinstra
    AAR's: Van Boekel, Liesveld
    4th: Diks

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  8. OT: French FIFA referee Frank Schneider injured in Lorient-PSG. He's now been replaced by Sébastien Moreira (Arbitre fédéral 1). Hope he does recover soon.

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  9. Clattenburg has Leicester - Swansea in Premier League on Sunday with his regular assistant referees. This could be a signal of an international appointment: Atletico - Bayern on Wednesday.

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  10. I've switched now to Bayern-Bremen. Stieler just gave a wrong penalty kick to Bayern, clear dive by Vidal. A situation where an AAR could have been very useful.

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    1. Crucial mistake indeed. It's sad, because otherwise he delivers a good performance. Btw, I keep wondering about the flagtechnique of German AR's (especially AR2). But OK, otherwise the team delivers an expected performance.

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    2. AR2 Grudzinski isn't known for an adequate flag technique. Believe me.
      AR1 Thielert unfortunately with a weak performance, he should have supported Stieler in this penalty situation. Actually he's one of the best assistant referees in Germany, but tonight with an unlucky performance.
      I can't really blame Stieler for this decision, in real speed it seemed to be a penalty kick. Possible and maybe mandatory RC for Fritz not given in first half.

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    4. With all understanding, the penalty was a clear mistake and the most blatant (and worst) dive of the season. Common sense: you have to punish the simulation and not a possible dangerous play.

      Mandatory RC for Fritz missed, I agree. Delayed the YC in the 1st half quite long in general.

      There are many very unprofessional ARs who do not care about adequate positioning and the prescribed flag technique. Grudzinski is one of the worst of them in this regard so that appointing him for such a match surprised me.

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    5. Stieler btw admitted the error and said sorry to Bremen via the media after the match.

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    6. I really wonder indeed why Grudzinski was appointed. No big mistakes, but just frustrating to see.

      I agree AR1 should have given a 'no penalty'-advice. 7,9 for him. For the rest, offside detection etc. were not bad, for as far as I remember (multitasking males...) .

      I think Stieler chose a really lenient approach btw. He was very consistent in his cardpolicy, but he could have given some more... 7,8 for him I would say, -0,2 for missing YC's and ofcourse a crucial mistake.

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    7. K.S., are you really sure that this would be a situation the AAR could help? In my opinion he would have the worst position compared with the referee's and the assistant referee's one...

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  11. What do you think is bigger achivement for the ref: CL semifinal or EL final?

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    1. In my opinion, Europa League final, of course.

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  12. Bad work of Tobias Stieler in Bayern-Werder.
    Also bad one assistant.

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    1. Also one not less bad comment.

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  13. Felix Brych (Germany) will be in Saudi arabia on sunday for a big match between alahli vs alhilal

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    1. Very interesting. This could rule him out from Tuesday's semifinal. Am I wrong?

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    2. It thinks so but the way is even more that he got that match because he is not appointed on tuesday

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    3. Indeed. So we'll see him very likely in Madrid (second leg).

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    4. Doesn't that depend on the chances of Bayern to qualify for the final? I mean, if Bayern is likely to qualify and Brych handles Madrid - City, he may have a too direct influence on the opponent of Bayern in the final (or at least, people may think he has). Or isn't this an argument that UEFA generally considers?

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    5. Dankert has a match on Monday, another sign, that Team Brych is not appointed next week.

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  14. Does anyone know the UEFA referee observers (likely appointments?) for the UEFA Women's Champions League this and next weekend?

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    1. PSG LYO: Steinhaus obs. Advonchenko (RUS)

      WOL FRA: Albon obs. Migalova (SVK)

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    2. Sry Steinhaus for LYO PSG.

      2nd legs

      FRA WOL Monzul obs. Jonsson (SWE)
      PSG LYO Staubli obs. Wierzbowska (POL)

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  15. Manuel Gräfe takes charge of a HSV match for the first time after his questionable freekick call against Karlsruhe that saved HSV from relegation last season. The appointment couldn't be more thrilling: "Nordderby" HSV-Bremen, Friday evening match, both teams in danger of getting relegated. And now a referee everyone will look at.

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  16. My predictions for next week...

    Manchester City - Real Madrid: Björn Kuipers (NED)
    Atletico Madrid - Bayern Munich: Mark Clattenburg (ENG)

    Liverpool - Villarael: Svein Oddvar Moen (NOR)
    Shakhtar Donetsk - Sevilla: Viktor Kassai (HUN)

    Please correct me if you see any erroneous discrepancies :)

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    1. *Villarreal - Liverpool

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    2. Mine are:

      Manchester City - Real Madrid: Damir Skomina (SVN)
      Atletico Madrid - Bayern Munich: Mark Clattenburg (ENG)

      Villarreal - Liverpool: Viktor Kassai (HUN)
      Shakhtar Donetsk - Sevilla: William Collum (SCO)

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    3. I think that Kuipers on Tuesday in Manchester is unlikely. He is also the referee for the Dutch cup final ('KNVB beker) on Sunday evening this weekend.

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    4. Somehow I think Skomina would not get William Young as the observer but a committee member. So if, for a moment, we include the possibility that Eriksson does NOT get the final (but someone else, whoever that might be), he would be a candidate to whom the observer suits. Or UEFA does not care and Rizzoli gets his farewell semifinal.

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    5. Cakir could get the match in Manchester as well, if e.g. Clattenburg and Mazic get the Bayern-Atletico matches. Then we could have Skomina with a committee member or Kuipers for Real-City.
      If indeed Eriksson is appointed for a SF, Clattenburg should be the next on the list. Risky, because ManCity could be there.

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    6. Cakir seems to be the most realistic one indeed.

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    7. Cakir is indeed appointed for a match in Turkish Süper Lig on Saturday. That allows him to get Tuesday's semifinal.

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  17. Why it is neccesary to have home match for referee before european clash?

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    1. I wrote "that allows him" just because the domestic game is planned three days before the semifinal. In case of domestic appointment two or one day before / after the date, it would be more unlikely to get then the international clash. So, in this sense. But indeed, it is not necessary to have a domestic game before an international appointment.

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  18. Italian appointments: Rizzoli has a match in serie A on Sunday evening.
    Orsato, Di Liberatore and Cariolato have been appointed on Monday afternoon (Roma - Napoli, very important for Champions League qualification).
    Rocchi has a match on Sunday. I think that, based on these assignments, the only chance to see an Italian would be, in case, EL semifinal on Thursday.
    Since Shakhtar is no option for Italian referees, and Rocchi was already in Villarreal, there shouldn't be Italian officiating teams on next week.

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    1. After the penalty not signaled in Atlético-Barcelona,
      Rizzoli don´t must be more in Champions these season.

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  19. Hamburg-Bremen: Very well Manuel Gräfe. He is one referee
    unjustly unknown by UEFA and Fandel, I think.

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    1. Indeed he showed a very strong performance in a very important and intense derby. I think Fandel knows his strengths, he is at least the one who appoints him in Germany for years.

      The huge problem is and was that Gräfe's leadership style is special and communication-based. This works well in Germany. But I think you cannot survive a match in Spain, Italy or whereever with this style.

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  20. Klasenius has a domestic match on Monday evening in Sweden. This should be the confirmation that Eriksson is not appointed on next week.

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  21. Atkinson has been removed from his game today. Either he's injured...or he could be in line for Wednesday's game, instead of Clatts?

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  22. As far as I can see Klasenius has no match on monday.

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    1. You are right but very likely there was a replacement. Believe me, a few hours ago Klasenius was written down here:
      http://fogis.se/domare/dagens-domare/?scr=refstoday&d=2016-04-25&ffid=1
      as AR1 in AIK - IF Elfsborg, I'm 100% sure, I had read it.
      BTW in the other match, as you can see, there is Mehmet Culum, usually Eriksson's fourth official.

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  23. OT
    1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53nOXTDoEXU
    2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q95oLJvAJ1o (after 0:30)
    Your opinion?

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    1. The second tackle is a crime. Both tackles deserve to be red-carded.

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    2. Both red cards. The second foul is worthy of a long ban.

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  24. To my mind the first foul would have deserved a direct red card. But the foul on the second clip is actually correct in my point of view. What do you think about the double yellow card on the first clip?

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    1. Sorry, I'm not sure I understand.

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  25. Anyway, I read that you were talking about Klaseinus. So if you were interested, you could check this video out.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEmh0HXyXa8

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  26. Two interesting situations from today's FA Cup game between Everton FC and Manchester United FC:

    streamable.com/2rh6

    streamable.com/g7bd

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  27. Two very big big decisions! So, I'll try to answer in my point of view. The first (whistled penalty) was correct, Man Utd's player tackled the Everton's.
    The second one is a bit more difficult. from the images we never see the referee therefore at least you aren't into the penalty area and you aren't really really close to the situation, it might be difficult to judge the incident. To me it was penalty inasmuch as Jagielka touches the ball with his hand and prevents the opponent from scoring. Summing, I would've whistled the penalty and would've sent Jagielka off. Your thoughts?

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