December 21, 2016

Referee Advent Calendar - Door 21: Debriefing - Feedback for The3rdTeam (Questionnaire)

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23 Comments:

  1. OT: Find below two links to the most important refereeing situations in tonight's Bundesliga's "Spitzenspiel" between Bayern Munich and Red Bull Leipzig (Felix Zwayer).

    30' RC Forsberg (RBL)
    https://vimeo.com/196642242

    44' Penalty BMU
    https://vimeo.com/196643978

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    1. The red card was a world class decision by the assistant ref and very brave of him to change the head referees decision. http://oi63.tinypic.com/2hf1l3c.jpg

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    2. 1) I agree with victor, big credit to Thorsten Schiffner as AR1 (he said sth like "This is red") but probably specially to the 4th official Martin Petersen (Zwayer's had eye-contact with him all the time). You can argue that Zwayer should have seen it himself, of course. He had a relatively free line of sight. I can only imagine that from his position it must have looked much more harmless than from the other angle AR1 had. Good that he protected Forsberg in the way he did. A yellow card would have been a crucial mistake for me though.

      2) Correct for me and no offside previously. That was a relatively genuine attempt to play / get the ball by the goalkeeper, who just came a part of a second too late. So no card despite SPA is acceptable and justifiable in my view.

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    3. Indeed, I think Zwayer should have detected it by himself, he was looking there, but surely a consultation with AR was a very good signal of cooperation for this very important situation.
      Penalty is a correct decision as well, no offside before the foul. YC was perhaps possible...

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    4. If you deem the goalkeeper's foul as DOGSO, the YC must be given. If you deem it as SPA, I think UEFA prefers no card here. But of course a yellow card would be accepted by everyone.

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    5. Indeed, I think one must really highlight Zwayer's intervention here - he single-handedly prevented a mass confrontation. And great cooperation as well with whoever he was cooperating (AR+4th).
      No card is correct for me on the penalty: the ball was moving away from goal, so it was neither a promising attack nor a DOGSO.

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    6. By the way - serious foul play or violent conduct?

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    7. For me, Serious Foul Play: the intent of the player was still to catch the ball. A very desperate attempt, but surely not a deliberate violent conduct.

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  2. A video from a today's FL match in Greece. Penalty execution.

    https://streamable.com/ciqrl

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    1. Even though one could argue that the player didn't stop his run, he deceived the keeper, who tried to make the save before the execution.
      This, according to common sense, should lead to YC + Penalty repetition.
      I really hate such behaviors.

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    2. With the new LotG this is a clear case of idf + YC. The run-up may be feinted, but not the execution. So I guess the referee correctly issued a (2nd) YC, Edward?

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    3. Yes, Niclas. The referee correctly issued the YC (not a 2nd one, just a YC). The weird thing is that most of the people, the players and the journalists didn't knew the new LOTG.

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    4. https://youtu.be/098iJkIp_oc?t=2m27s

      Penalty execution in Austria's 2nd "Bundesliga". Referee Trattnig issued a YC + IDF, everybody judged this decision as correct. Of course it is completely wrong - but it is a good example for the knowledge of the (new) LOTG by the players and journalists (...and some referees?).

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  3. As a way to improve the site, I would recommend turning this site from a blog style into a formal website while still allowing people to comment on posts. This could help make things easier to find and give it a better styled feel. Other than this and the occasional hothead, I really appreciate the work you do to put this blog together and frequently offer insightful and updated information about the world of refereeing.

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    1. Thank you for your feedback!

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  4. Some interesting scenes from KAA Gent - RSC Anderlecht game (Erik Lambrechts was the referee)

    1) Red card and reaction of Gent's coach afterwards
    https://streamable.com/dcntc

    2) Penalty-appeal
    https://streamable.com/1oje4

    3) Two penalty-appeals in one action
    https://streamable.com/7p4gj

    4) Penalty whistled
    https://streamable.com/g396e

    5) Gent's coach dismissed
    https://streamable.com/bw40s

    6) Foul? (DOGSO?)
    https://streamable.com/g9ywj

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    1. Hmmm.
      1) Not convinced 100% that it was a red card. Was it really an excessive motion, or part of the regular movement of the player? As for the coach: where in all the world was the 4th official? He's got literally one job to do, and that's to ensure that the coaches don't disturb the referee. That the referee had to walk over is unacceptable; yes, 4th officials are advised to not go near coaches who go ballistic and are frustrated to not escalate situations, but at some point you've got to go in and do your job. As for the VAR gesture, well, IFAB and FIFA brought that one upon themselves, right? So, to sum up: Red card's weak, but no crucial mistake; coach could have been dismissed (in large part for VAR gesture), and 4th official screwed up massively.

      2) Correct decision

      3) First foul got the ball, but possible foul on the trailing leg. Second foul smells of simulation to me - he falls before contact.

      4) Correct Decision

      5) Not sure what happened, but the coach certainly deserved it 'pour l'ensemble de son oeuvre'. I quite like the 'walk in, kick him out, run away' approach: maintains respect and avoids the confrontation.

      6) Lack of concentration at the end of a match. Foul+DOGSO.

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    2. Thanks for your reply! I try to present my (different) views:

      Regarding 2), it's a foul in my opinion. Defender attacks an opponent who possesses and fully controls the ball. He does that in a careless manner for my taste, so I would prefer a penalty kick in this case.

      Regarding 3), the sliding tackle is simply reckless in my eyes. Of course, defender plays the ball but also creates a reckless contact with an opponent's leg at the same time. The second penalty appeal in this situation is less obvious, but also a foul, in my opinion. The defender makes a contact by left knee with an opponent's right foot. Add to that he didn't clearly play the ball, it's still a careless trip.

      Regarding 5), the coach was frustrated after the referee whistles a foul.

      I agree with the rest though. :)

      MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL!

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    3. 2) Yeah...but I still see a shoulder-to-shoulder contact with reasonable force while the ball is within playing distance. It's within what is legal, in my view.

      3) Re-watched it. I agree, first foul is reckless - has to be a foul (and a YC would not be exaggerated). I still think the second one looks a lot like simulation.

      Merry Christmas!

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    4. 4 is a clear dive. Not even close to a penalty. It's not very easy to spot in full speed as a ref but it is obvious on the replay. No contact at all.

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    5. Victor, IMO the defender steps on an opponent's toes.

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    6. Tbh, I agree victor. I cannot see any contact and if there is one, then he uses a slight contact to fall and to fool the referee. Simulation. (Clip 4)

      Merry Christmas!

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    7. On 4): I do not see a step onto the foot either (even though this is impossible to judge from behind the goal as the ball obstructs the view). But for me it seems as if the defender's left (!) foot slightly touches the attacker's shoe making it deviate and slightly turning. There are some elements which support a dive, but the rotation of the feet for example is rather natural and not artificial.

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