April 30, 2017

Martin Atkinson chosen as the man in the middle for Real Madrid - Atlético Madrid

English Elite Referee Martin Atkinson has been appointed to oversee next Tuesday's Spanish derby between Real Madrid and Atlético Madrid. He will be assisted by Stephen Child and Stuart Burt at the sidelines, while Anthony Taylor and Michael Oliver will serve as Additional Assistant Referees. Jake Collin - Mark Clattenburg's AR1 - will function as Fourth Official.



2 May 2017, 20:45 CET (Estadio Santiago Bernabéu, Madrid)
Real Madrid - Atlético Madrid
Referee: Martin Atkinson (ENG)
Assistant Referee: Stephen Child (ENG)
Assistant Referee: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Fourth Official: Jake Collin (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: João Morais (POR)



The 1971-born match official has previously overseen Borussia Dortmund's Round of 16 win over SL Benfica in the Champions League. Based on his huge experience in the highest UEFA club competitions (it will be his 30th UCL match), Atkinson had the honour to officiate 2015 UEFA Europa League final, followed by a participation in UEFA EURO 2016, where he took charge of three games in total.

Atkinson has already been in charge of four Real Madrid (2 wins and 2 losses) and three Atlético Madrid (2 wins, 1 draw) games in his career.

91 Comments:

  1. Not unexpected after having read the observer names. This also underlines that a) English refereeing is still strong enough to get semifinals in CL even if Clatts is retiring and b) Atkinson seems to be fully trusted given his quite good form at the moment.

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    1. So Kuipers will now go without a Semifinal??

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    2. Kuipers Kuipers Kuipers... he really seems to be your favourite referee :-).

      I see no reason why Atkinson's assignment lowers Kuipers chances for the return game. IMO, it is actually crystal-clear that he will attend Vicente Calderón.

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    3. After well handled (top level of control) Manchester derby, he'll referee Derbi Madrileño. An indicator of how good is Atkinson's form at the moment. I would like to see him at 2018 FIFA World Cup.

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    4. That's true :D Kuipers indeed is my favourite referee 😛

      In such a scenario who do you think will miss out on a CL SF now?? Mazic, Brych or Çakir?? 🤔

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    5. I agree. This appointment comes a bit unexpected but Atkinson is in a good form at moment. His previous games in both EL and CL were more or less okaysh. Surely one can say that there weren't so many options for this game, Brych was very likely excluded due to his origin.

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    6. @Soham, I think Mazic will get the final (CL or EL; I would prefer the CL final as his performance in QF was clearly better than Skomina's one) directly after quarter-final.

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    7. Based on previous in CL and EL this season Atkinson would've been more suitable for Monaco v Juventus than Madrid derby but that said a referee of his calibre and experience will surely do a great job I believe in such testing atmospheres!! Maybe Mazic will miss out on a SF and be directly given a Final?? Maybe the CL final?? 🤔

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    8. Yes Soham, this means Kuipers wont get any further game in CL. He has to leave for South Korea on next Sunday 7 May. He can't officiate Monaco - Juventus this week due to observer, so... the only option is perhaps Manchester United game with Trentalange as observer in EL.

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    9. What about Brych and Çakir now?? EL appointment for Çakir must be certain then if he doesn't get Monaco v Juventus??

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    10. With all these missing referees, I'm starting to think that Collum was observed by a committee member in order to get a CL semifinal!

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    11. What I find amusing is the committee's planning!! If any referee becomes unavailable after 7 May they could easily appointed them in leg 1... For example Çakir/Kuipers in Santiago Bernabeu and Atkinson in Vicente Calderon would've solved a lot of problems!! But now if all the experienced refs get unavailable and someone like Collum gets a SF and has a Aytekin-like match then again Collina will have bear a lot of responsibility for that!!

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  2. As Niclas pointed out, not an unexpected appointment but one thing that can't be denied is that there were at least 4 other names who were more deserving to get a CL SF than Atkinson... The fact that one of them will now miss out is highly unfortunate!!

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  3. According to some info I got, referees called for U20 World Cup in South Korea will leave on Sunday 7 May. So for all of them no chances to get a second leg of both CL and EL semifinals.

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    1. So that means any two of Brych, Çakir and Kuipers won't feature in CL Semi-finals!! Incredible really... What are the other options now??

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    2. Are the VARs also leaving on 7 May?? That would rule out Marciniak as well... So basically 5 of the top Elite referees Brych, Çakir, Eriksson, Kuipers and Marciniak will be ruled out from CL and EL SF 2nd legs because of the U20 WC!! Unbelievably poor appointments!!

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    3. However, I don't want to give this information as 100% sure, perhaps some referees will be allowed to stay at least until a certain date to get a second leg game.

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    4. What I know is that a referee called for South Korea surely leaves on 7 May. But I can't say more.

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    5. That would be the most logical thing to do if some referees are allowed to stay for the 2nd legs and then leave for South Korea... I really hope there will be a bit of common sense applied by the committee!!

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    6. In theory they could do it like last season: Skomina for a CL semifinal, Skomina for a final.

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    7. If all U20 referees and VARs are not there for the second legs, Skomina is indeed the best (only?) solution for the Madrid derby.
      But then Mazic should get the final IMO, what would mean, there is "nobody" for the other second CL leg (should be Atkinson or Hategan in this case). Also EL second legs will be critical, because Turpin and Undiano are not possible due to clubs from their country.
      So without U20 referees, I would go for
      Atletico-Real: Skomina
      Juventus-Monaco: Hategan
      CL final: Mazic
      Lyon-Ajax: Aytekin or Thomson
      ManU-Celta: Rizzoli
      EL final: Rocchi

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  4. Atkinson always seems to find form when an 'obstacle' clears his path, poor form of Webb, then Webb retiring, and now Clattenburg's exit East.
    To me basically he was one of the only names. Rizzoli Eriksson, Kassai out from the QF appointments and performances, Brych and Mažić out thanks to previous polemics (one more fairly than the other...). And if you consider Kuipers for the second match, fully agreed with Niclas, and Çakir to be appointed elsewhere, Atkinson is the best name. I think there are referees that would deserve it more, but you cannot say the English doesn't deserve it imo. Also agree with Ray, I hope he can attend WC next year but unlikely.
    I hope for Mateu Lahoz to read his name tomorrow, would be deserved.

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    1. I wonder from where will UEFA find referees for the 2nd legs with Brych, Çakir, Eriksson, Kuipers and Marciniak all set to leave for South Korea next Sunday!! Will be interesting to see who gets the nod!!

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  5. Collum with a CL semifinal? But he already got Monaco - Juventus! Would Madrid's derby be too much for him?

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    1. Definitely a bit too much... Always a risk of a repeat of what happened with Aytekin!! Juventus v Monaco might suit maybe??

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  6. My guess is Mateu Lahoz for Monaco-Juventus, Uilenberg fits there. Kuipers and Cakir would be logical for next week but not sure if they would have to go to South Korea.

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    1. But in the other hand, Collina is now boss im FIFA and UEFA both so I guess he can allow certain referees to come in South Korea later. If they are all gone on Sunday then we can expect everything. One referee getting semis and final like Clattenburg last year, one referee getting two semis like Cakir and Skomina (EL and CL week later) last year. And with all those referees gone, I wouldnt be surprised to see Undiano Mallenco in Lyon-Ajax next week. He was very good this season in Europe.

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  7. Chefren, one small error.. This SF will be played on 2 May 2017 and at the Estadio Santiago Bernabeu... Please fix this info!! :-)

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  8. OT: How many VARs will be appointed per match at U20 and Confederations Cup. Based on number of appointed CARs I guess there won't be three VARs as at Club WC or am I wrong?

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    1. Additional question: Will they be in/at the match stadiums or in a
      central place (referee HQ, broadcasting center,...).
      If they don't need to travel, the VARs could work at many matches during the tournament.
      Anyway it would be sensible to have one "chief" VAR per match, who communicates with the referee.

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    2. We should invite Busacca there to answer to all these questions :)

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  9. Interesting red card from Viktor Kassai in Hungarian Division I. (from 6:22)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7WpyqAP96g
    What do you think?

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    1. I think Kassai and AAR1 had better angle than we do. Maybe he punched an opponent with right hand? Impossible to say something more.

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    2. It is like the scenario that Cakir showed a red to JT in 2012.

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  10. Mark Clattenburg is always my favorite but I had to admit Atkinson dedicated his career so much... He deserves a CL SF.

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  11. My guess is a little bit of a bomb for probably many, but still i think it is deserved so i m going for Clement Turpin in one of the second leg :)

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    1. Hategan and Turpin for the 2nd legs??

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  12. I know this is slightly off topic, but with Video assistant referees coming into use, will they still be using additional assistant referees?

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    1. In Italy we have additional assistant referees for all serie A games at moment: VAR online was originally planned from 2018-19, on next season (2017-18) we should have had further experiments in some Coppa Italia games, but it is a news of some days ago that VAR online will be anticipated and used from the beginning of next (2017-18) season. At the same time, AIA president has confirmed that additional assistant referees will be removed.
      I think that at UEFA level a decision is still to be taken. Collina praised in many occasions the role of additional assistant referees. My sensation is that, at least in Champions League and Europa League, it will be possible to see both VAR and additional assistant referees.

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    2. Thanks for the response. I would prefer to still have AAR and have VARs. I think this because it gives more support when it comes to decision making.

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    3. At what point does it become overkill, though?

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    4. Not sure if there is one to be honest. What would you say?

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  13. Does anyone know if this can be last ucl game for atkinson?...or will he officiate more in the next season?

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    1. I think in England he will continue so I assume that we should see him quite surely at least until December 2017 on FIFA list.

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    2. Yes, he will, if he just chooses to. Since Dermot Gallagher pressurised the EPL to extend the duration of referees in the league beyond the retiring age of 47-48, by inciting a complaint against ageism with no other basis (health, fitness, etc.), referees there remind us of ages long bygone. There is no cause to demote or retire Atkinson as he is certainly among the five prominent referees in the EPL (and we should remember their "loss" as Clattenburg has just retired).

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    3. And I would like to add Hackett's verdict of Atkinson's FA semi-final performance:
      https://you-are-the-ref.com/hacketts-verdict-best-performance-season/

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    1. Nope, he wasnt in offside when Carvahal send ball.

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    2. He was clear offside at the first cross of Ramos. The question is if he was active challenging the Atletico player, or staying passive. I tend to say he was active, but close call.

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    4. Indeed, the discussion is about the potential influence he had on the opponent. I think AR could be backed, so I agree with you Kaer. The situation is not a black or white in my opinion.

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    5. Ronaldo is positioned behind defender, doesn't create any contact with him, rather tries to avoid any fight for the ball. No offside in my eyes.

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    6. Well, you can erase my comments, no problem about that, but this is third (from last four) goal that Real scored from offside. And we (you) can continue to back referees for their mistakes in favor of Real.
      My words are going for RCs as well. Isco's foul was only for YC? Casemiro's numerous fouls for YCs (second, third, forth) missed by Kassai... Please...

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    7. @Jelena None of us backed Kassai's assistants and we all agreed that both goals were missed offside... In this case you just can't say that it's definitely a mistake and surely the referees have to be backed... I think you can show a bit more empathy towards referees at time!! And let's have an objective discussion with respect to the correctness of the decision and let's not just keep on highlighting in every possible instance how many mistakes favours a particular team!! 🙂

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    8. http://oi65.tinypic.com/dw89rl.jpg

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  15. 15' - correct no-penalty call (undeliberate handball)
    45' - violent conduct from Sergio Ramos?

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    1. Ramos https://twitter.com/finallypabIotv/status/859490921490108417

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    2. The player would be lucky to receive only a YC. No card is definitely a significant mistake and this important incident was missed by officials.
      However, for me RC would have been the appropriate choice.

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    3. Was Taylor the AAR at that end?? The AAR should've at least spotted that!!!

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    4. Ramos lucky, now Isco lucky... Who's next?

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    5. @Jelena You can express things in a different way... Please discuss about referee's performance only and not just keep on highlighting which Real Madrid players got lucky... You did this exact thing during Real v Bayern and honestly this doesn't look good!! Please stick to analysing the referee's performance I request you!!

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    6. ısco&ramos should have seen a red card

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    7. Law 12 is clear about that (not only) since 2016/17: Ramos should have been sent off for violent conduct.

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    8. @Soham I am not that polite, I don't speak what other want to read, but whta i do think.
      But, ok. Last year in final against the same rival Real scored the goal from clear offside, and finally it worth a title (helped Real to win). We all saw what happened against Bayern. Tonight, forgot about offside. But, please. Atkinson missed RC for ramos, then missed RC for Isco, and after that he had chance to correct himself, but missed second YC for Isco. Does all of this influence the final result of this semifinal? Of course it does. Now, Real scored again and is going to the final. Thanks to Atkinson's obvious mistakes. I believe I was polite enough.

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    9. At the same time, Isco's tackle is not far away from what I would colloquially call a "leg-breaker". The stud contact was rather low which supports the yellow card, but from the angle behind the goalline it really looks more than yellow. No clear mistake, but a red card would be definitely an alternative to yellow, to formulate it diplomatically.

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    10. @ Jelena: The problem is that your comments do not show that much empathy for the referees. You only describe mistakes (A should get red, B should get red, the goal was offside (which it was, but no punishable offside)) and then draw conclusions that everything is biased towards Real. But you do not include thoughts and questions like "could the officials see it at all?" or "did it look different from the officials' perspective and viewing position than it does from the 3rd or 4th replay angle?"...

      This has little to do with politeness, but simply with looking beyond the edge of the plate.

      And the reason why Real might have benefitted from more "mistakes" than they suffered - even though this might be a subjective bias, too, difficult to say that objectively - could be as simple as true: Real simply drives more attacks, is more present in the opponent's half and penalty area and therefore offers more opportunities to be fouled, to get into offside positions maybe missed by assistants and so on...

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    11. You are right, Niclas, but don't forget: thanks to refs' mistakes Real won Champions Leagu last year. Thanks to refs' numerous mistakes they are going to the final this year. Is it just a coincidence? Do you really believe? How could Kassai miss at least two more YCs for Casemiro, but didn't miss the one for Vidal? How could Atkinson miss two RCs tonight, but didn't miss for example YC for Savic (just compare both Isco's tackles, and that Savic's tackle on Ronaldo). Those mistakes decide the winner of the Champions league, they are not some mistakes in one of the rounds in national championhips...

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    12. Are you trying to accuse Kassai and Atkinson of deliberate bias?? If yes, then I strongly disagree with you and I totally condemn any such ideas!!

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    13. Don't fight against windmills, Soham :) Don Quijote already tried it, better leave it :)

      @Jelena: Please check point 4: http://footballrefereeing.blogspot.de/2013/05/house-rules.html#.WQjvvsZCShc

      If you do not agree with this point, I kindly ask you to discuss ideas of biased refereeing in other football forums - but not here. We can talk about situations and exchange arguments, but not in a "Kassai and Atkinson were biased anyway"-fashion.

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    14. You're right Niclas, I agree with you... I really felt bad seeing these same sorts of unnecessary comments directed towards referees in every Real Madrid match day... This blog is very dear to us that's why I thought it's necessary to speak on this... I hope things will improve now!!

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  16. Did Atkinson and AAR Taylor miss a potentially violent elbow by Ramos and a push by Ronaldo at around 44'-45' area??

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  17. Interesting positioning at the kick-off...

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  18. Why do you guys bother to argue with the likes of Jelena? Do you also try to make the world a better place when you talk to walls?

    Just skip all the posts from the ones whose comments you have not agreed with for a long time. Try it... the blog seems to be a nice read after that :)

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    1. No, but I do not want that other people get the impression that those walls are the only things and reality the world has to offer either :)

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  19. Overall I think Atkinson delivered a convincing performance in the big picture. Acceptance, control, predictable line were all given and met the requirements. His decisions in terms of foul and card selection were OK in my eyes as well.

    NO offside in the 1:0 - and here I disagree with some of the previous comments. For me this is black and white - no offside. CR7 did not challenge the opponent for the ball, did not even really press the defender to clear the ball.

    Isco's foul is between yellow and red for me, so I can live with the decision. Yellow seems to be more in line with game feeling and contextual judgment, while red could be most likely supported/accepted. About Ramos, my personal opinion is that the force was quite high. And against this background, it is a prototype for what the IFAB emphasized in the new Law 12 in my view... so rather a red card for my taste, but is it a CLEAR case of violent conduct? I am not 100% sure. Maybe 80:20 in favour of red, but not more.

    So what remains is a good performance, Atkinson and his team can be content, I think.

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    1. Nice summary, Niclas.
      Of course we can discuss about the one or other situation, but all in all it was a solid performance from Atkinson.
      I think nobody realls wants 2 or 3 red cards in a CL semifinal, so IMO he managed the whole match really well.
      About Ramos: His action is completely unnecessary and should be punished at least with a YC, but I would also prefer the red one. But I think that none of the officials saw the incident and therefore they had no chance to sanction it.

      I'm curios who will be the referee in the 2nd leg. Of course, Real is in the final for 95%, but it is still a derby in the hot Vicente Calderon in a CL semifinal.
      My favourite would be Cakir or as an alternative Kuipers. I hope that we won't see Mazic there, he wasn't convincing in this game back in 2015. But that is all pure speculation and my own view ;)

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    3. I absolutely agree with your summary, Niclas. However, there is one exception: In my view just a YC missed for Ramos as the elbow was used as a tool, not as a weapon; but - of course - I see your point.
      Overall a good performance by Atkinson.

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    4. On the missing YC/RC for RLM#04, I would say a point for improvement is distribution of responsibilities, as surely preparing they would know the likelihood of Ramos being relevant in a corner situation, AAR1 Taylor was there but maybe someone obscured his view.
      Anyway fully agree with everyone, great summary / analysis

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    5. I think Ramos action is a missed RC. Difficult to see (I didn't see anything strange live, however I only have one pair of eyes and the refereeing team should have at least two!), but it must be seen. And if, as it has happened, no one sees it, then UEFA should intervene and ban Sergio Ramos for the appropriate number of matches. For three main reasons: first, punishment for a violent conduct which should be banned from the field of play. Second, to send a message: "that kind of behaviour will not go unpunished anymore. If, unfortunately, the referee doesn't see it, we will, and the guilty player will be out.". And third, it may ease the work of the refereeing team and reduce the presumably tense atmosphere in the return leg. ATM players won't be very happy with their performance tonight, but even less with the laughs of the RM supporters. Add to that an unpunished VC by Ramos. Things can get very hot in the return leg, even with the low chances of Atlético. An experienced official is needed. I hope we won't see Çakir, who has not been as great this season and might be a risky decision if his performance is not at a top level.

      Good night.

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    6. I think Kuipers in his current form or Brych will fit in best at the Vicente Calderon rather than Çakir in his current form!! I feel Juventus v Monaco will suit Çakir better!!

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    7. @Niclas what would your choice be for the 2nd leg??

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  20. 1st half:

    goal
    https://streamable.com/eqi4p

    no-penalty call
    https://streamable.com/mrcum

    Ramos' UB/VC
    https://streamable.com/s6dti

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    1. YC Koke
      https://streamable.com/zzm4c

      2nd half:

      YC Isco
      https://streamable.com/tadgt

      no-YC Ramos
      https://streamable.com/y9cax

      YC Saúl
      https://streamable.com/2ynh5

      no-YC(s) Filipe Luis
      https://streamable.com/ehzvw

      no-YC Casemiro
      https://streamable.com/urrr2

      YC Savić
      https://streamable.com/gdi0o

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  21. Btw, it's possible to be appointed for CL/EL semi-final if you are also appointed to U-20 WC.

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    1. Confirmed news this one?? That would surely open up gates for Çakir, Brych, Kuipers and Marciniak for the 4 2nd leg SFs in CL/EL

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    2. It's rather safe info ;)

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    3. @Ray Is it applicable for all only the head referees or for both head referees and VARs???

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    4. It concerns all involved referees in order to fulfill confederations' needs.

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    5. Very very good news!! Some of the guys absolutely deserve further appointments!!

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