May 7, 2017

Björn Kuipers in charge of Juventus - AS Monaco

Dutch Elite Referee Björn Kuipers has been assigned to oversee next Tuesday's UEFA Champions League semifinal return leg between Juventus Turin and AS Monaco. As usual, he will be assisted by Sander van Roekel and Erwin Zeinstra as Assistant Referees. Mario Diks will be the Fourth Official. The team is completed by Danny Makkelie and Pol van Boekel, who are about to fulfill their duties as Additional Assistant Referees. UEFA Referee Committee member Vlado Sajn from Slovenia will observe the match officials' performance.


9 May 2017, 20:45 CET (Juventus Stadium, Turin)
Juventus Turin - AS Monaco
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee: Erwin E.J. Zeinstra (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 1: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Additional Assistant Referee 2: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Fourth Official: Mario Diks (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vlado Sajn (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Ainar Leppänen (EST)

156 Comments:

  1. No semifinal for Brych: Eugen Strigel is the observer for Atlético-Real. Clearly indicates Cakir in my view.

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    1. What a pity for Felix Brych.This was the right moment for him to get a UCL semifinal.

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    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D6q3PlKXGI

      After yesterday I am not so sure.

      But in general, yes. It is quite surprising that UEFA has not used 2 opportunities now in the past years to assign Brych for a semifinal with Bayern's absence. Within 7 years Brych belongs to the top referees, he has now refereed 1 semifinal. This is no great balance, given that he is actually the referee with the highest number of UCL games of all current Elite referees at the moment.

      Another proof for what might sound strange, but what I hear from many sides: In UEFA, there are not many fans of DFB match officials at the moment.

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    3. I share your opinion Niclas.Indeed a
      strange thing inside Uefa.

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  2. Deserved appointment for the Dutch, after his very good performance in Barcelona - Juventus. Again the Italian team for him. This time the match is not so much fascinating, at least on paper, than the previous one, but still a CL semifinal and a very good achievement for this season.
    For Madrid's derby Çakır should be the name also because he is still with only one game in CL KO stage.
    So I would go for him in Madrid.
    Europa League: Hațegan is one sure name, perhaps Eriksson the other one?

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    1. I would prefer Marciniak or Brych over Eriksson for the other EL match.
      Marciniak could even be an alternative for Madrid, but of course Cakir is the favourite.

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    2. Hategan for Lyon v Roma and Marciniak for Manchester United v Celta Vigo maybe??? And I must mention what a meteoric rise for Ovidiu Hategan... Very good referee really!! 🙂

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    3. I expect Hategan in Manchester, Eriksson in Lyon and Marciniak in Madrid. So maybe no Cakir.

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    4. No Çakir would be a massive surprise for me to be honest... Also I think Çakir's performances after Euro has been much better as compared to Eriksson so surely Çakir is a strong candidate for a CL Semi-final now!!

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  3. I'm convinced that Soham is more than happy with this appointment 😉...

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    1. Yes Andreja you're so right 🙂 I'm really happy and relieved with this appointment of Kuipers 🙂 Good to see that the good performances are being rewarded and rightly so... Yes this match is nowhere close to the Madrid derby but after all it's a CL Semi-final and Kuipers has an appointment ahead of many a more big guns so I'm extremely satisfied and that's a really nice way to end this European season for him... What does the presence of the committee member Mr. Sajn as the observer indicate here?? 🤔🤔

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    2. My guess is that Sajn's presence indicate nothing for Kuipers. Sometimes committee member is there bacuse of importance of the match. And if I'm not wrong Sajn was not appointed for some time so he got this match.

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  4. I still wouldn't count out Brych for the UCL Final, no German teams at Semifinal for the first time since many years. When UEFA planned out referees to U20WC they wouldn't surely have foreseen that, and honestly UCL is much more important than essentially (for Brych, Kuipers etc) an exercise in VAR Training, you know they will be in Russia to attend WC2018 this is no test.
    Easily Brych could be swapped to U17WC.

    Just a thought :-)

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    1. Would be a massive dissapointment for Skomina, after many good / decent performances after his huge dissapointments by being not appointed for WC 2010 / 2014. He came back really strong, had a really good season. I think he deserves the final this year.

      On the other hand, Brych would surely deserve a semi-final. Do you, Niclas, have another link to the incident you mentioned? I could not see it, here in Holland.


      Oh and: happy to see Kuipers in a SF. :)

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    2. To sum it up:

      Missed offside prior to Dortmund's 1:0 goal vs Hoffenheim (1,5m). AR2 Lupp was unable to see whether an attacker enlarged the ball making the attacker offside. Brych HAD to see the enlargement, but obviously had a blackout. They even discussed the goal at the sideline but did not come to the right conclusion.

      Some minutes later, a missed deliberate handball by Dortmund's Reus at the left wing, who then passed the ball into the penalty area, going to a Hoffenheim defender's hand (undeliberately) - Brych gave penalty... Then a missed penalty for Hoffenheim after holding, a rather soft penalty for Hoffenheim at the end of the game.

      So: 4 major decisions, 3 of them relatively clearly incorrect, 1 rather soft but maybe still acceptable. And that in one of the most important matches of the season - the duel for the direct UCL place.

      Everybody has a bad day, and so did Brych. The same happened to Orsato one weekend earlier, and as a result some rumours say he was "de-appointed" from Ajax-Lyon so that Rocchi had to step in. No idea how true this is.

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  5. It seems as Cakir's appointment for Madrid derby has been already revealed:
    http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2017/05/07/champions/1494162458_168365.html

    (but not officially by UEFA...)

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    1. So Brych and Marciniak for EL Semi-finals?? But if Hategan gets a game then one of will miss out!! Hard to believe that Brych will go without a Semifinal for 2 consecutive years!!

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  6. Mejuto González (Lyon - Ajax) observed Marciniak and Hațegan from Elite Group this season // Brych?

    Bianchi (Man. United - Celta Vigo) observed Sidiropoulos, Kassai, Turpin and Mateu Lahoz // Marciniak?

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    1. No info from Polish federation?

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    2. Unfortunately no, but Marciniak had a game today with Sokolnicki and Listkiewicz. What a game. One decision will be shown at all seminars for referees, I think. Video later.

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    3. Video available in the comment section of national leagues appointments post.

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  7. OK, i expect cakir at madrileno derby, but I also expect collum or marciniak for lyon ajax, and hategan for utd-celta, we can maybe expect Mallenco. But, after semifinals it is cleared, Skomina and Mazic for Europe club finals this year

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  8. *Cakir,*Marciniak*Hategan

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  9. A point to note : This is Björn Kuipers' 3rd Juventus game in UCL this season...and also the 2nd game for him at the Juventus Stadium, Turin in UCL this season!! Surely he will be kept away from Juventus next season!! 😁😂

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    1. Or not. Apperently Kuipers fits well in Turin. ;)

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    2. But a visit to Santiago Bernabeu is long overdue for Kuipers... Hopefully it will be reality next season which will be Kuipers' last season at the European circuit!! 🙂

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    3. Keep cool, Rizzoli attended the Allianz Arena in Munich also the first time in this season. I think Kuipers that Kuipers will be appointed to Bernabeu next season ;)

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    4. Yes even Mazic visited Munich for the first time this season... Hopefully Kuipers will also follow suit and get his first Santiago Bernabeu appointment next season!!

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    5. That's actually wrong. Mazic had Germany-Austria in Munich in WC qualifiers back in 2013 ;)

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    6. Oops my mistake then... I think this was Mazic's 1st Bayern Munich home game or something like that... I stand corrected!! 🙂

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  10. Çakır goes to Madrid. http://spor.haber7.com/sampiyonlar-ligi/haber/2325087-dunyanin-bekledigi-mac-cuneyt-cakirin

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    1. I think this is a very good appointment for Çakir... A very sonorous game yet with a much reduced importance considering the 1st leg 3–0 lead... Perfect opportunity for Çakir to be back amongst the big games and regain his confidence to the fullest considering he lost a bit of form in 2016!! 🙂

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  11. Confirmed:
    http://tff.org/default.aspx?pageID=248&ftxtID=27112

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  12. Can someone give me a bit of information on the early life and career of the referee observer Vladimir Sajn??

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  13. Who knows that when will be update the new FIFA Elite Group?

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    1. Do you mean UEFA?

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    2. Given the U21 tournament in Poland, I think that the update of categories could be postponed to July. As for now, according to UEFA calendar, there aren't still Referees Committee's meetings planned.

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  14. Excellent offside call by AR2: not a deliberate play, just a deflection. I think the flag was a bit delayed because AR2 got confirmation about that from Kuipers.

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    1. Agree Chefren but now (31'), catastrophic flag : clearly no offside, just offside position of Falcao but not punishable. Big mistake by AR2.

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    2. I thought that Falcao was involved in active play and that the call was correct!! 🤔

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    3. I missed this offside, will rewatch and then give my opinion!

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    4. For me it's clearly too easy to raise the flag here. All situations in penalty area which involved offsided players should be raised. Too exagerated "defensive way of refereeing"'in my taste. :)

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    5. For me Falcao clearly interfered with active play and thus offside call is correct... I really don't know what the AR2 could've done differently there!!

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  15. Another perfect offside call by AR2 Erwin Zeinstra at 31'..!!

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    1. You think the offside position of a player who didn't play clearly the ball is punishable ? Disagree. If you raise the flag here, you have to raise it all the time when attackers are just in offside position on penalty area...too easier and not in spirit of offside modern rules...
      By the way, excellent tigh decision by AR1 at 36''.

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    2. Watching the incident I'm of the opinion that Falcao clearly made an attempt to play the ball which means he was involved in active play and was in an offside position which is thus punishable!! To be honest it looks a correct decision to me!!

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    3. Defensive against offensive way :) ! Not my taste but I understand your position :)

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    4. I don't know about UEFA, but in Poland you can't punish a player for challenging an opponent for the ball, if the ball goes over the players' head in the way they can't play it.

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    6. Agree : same in France and all big championships I saw all weekends...

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    7. I think Chefren can shed more light on this!!

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  16. Maybe yc for Mandzukic for his celebration?

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    1. I agree, I had the same thought. According to LotG, it should have been given, but you know... who cares?

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    2. Mandzukic climbed the perimeter fence so could've been a caution by the letter of the law!!

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    3. According to LoTG:

      "A player must be cautioned for:
      • climbing onto a perimeter fence
      • gesturing in a provocative, derisory or inflammatory way
      • covering the head or face with a mask or other similar item
      • removing the shirt or covering the head with the shirt"

      So it's not up to referee's interpretation. We also don't see missed cards for removing the shirt, for example... Not that I agree with this passage of the LoTG.

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    4. "who cares"
      And we wonder why the current state of officiating is what it is.
      It's attitudes like that, why we are where we are.
      Laws of The Game? "who cares", right?

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  17. 36': excellent offside by AR1. It was very tight.
    I must say, Kuipers assistant referees are always very good.

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    1. Not always :( (Hungary-Switzerland WCQF in last year.Not the best peformance the aassintants referees and Kuipers too. )

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    2. If I remember correctly that was assessed as a 8.3 level performance over here so can't see what was so wrong with that performance!! 🤔

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    3. Also Poland - Montenegro was a nightmare for Zeinstra (WC qualifiers in 2013). But overall they are the top European assistants, I agree.

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    4. If i good remember one of the suiss goal was offside and a missed penalty (100%)

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    5. The tight offside decision I do remember was incorrect... The penalty decision was debated a lot and most of the people reached the conclusion that the referee could be backed with that call!! Every referee or AR in their career might have one or two off days but that surely doesn't undermine their overall class and quality!!!

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  18. Very hard YC for Falcao. He lost his balance and fall down. No volunty to faulted Italian player. Harsh decisions for me.

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    1. Acceptable YC... It was a clear foul and a reckless challenge!!

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    2. Kuipers's fan ;) ! Yeah, acceptable call but if you booked here, so YC missed of Chiellini (cf Jelena comment just after). Harsh one and very lenient on the other side. So acceptable yes. But not clearly well-balanced management. :)

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    3. Yes I do think it could've been a YC there as well for Chiellini but not a big issue either way... The fact that I'm Kuipers' fan has got nothing to do here... I'm as objective in my judgement as possible!! 🙂

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    4. Now, nothing on Dybala and bad flag by Zeinstra : simulation. By the way, for me, Mendy had to be excluded when he kicked the ball in Assistant direction. Not acceptable gesture. Stonewall RC. But...uefa ´s directives seem to be very lenient decided nowadays...

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    5. Soham is belonging to probably the most objective comments on the whole blog tbh, and I do agree with him totally this evening as well!

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    6. Was just a joke and I like overall Soham's comments. What do you think about Mendy's violent ball attempt in direction of Zeinstra?

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    7. Thanks Mikael and Benoit :) Means a lot to receive appreciation from blog members :)
      Can you please tell me more about Mendy's violent ball attempt; the possible minute?? I think I missed the situation!!

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    8. At 51´, just after Zeinstra intervention and Kuipers whistle of the foul. Unacceptable for me. RC.

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    9. I just saw it... While I agree it's not very much acceptable but in this match where both teams have overall played fair I think the referees' call is acceptable!! I personally wouldn't have taken out my red card in that situation in this game!!

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    10. Agree Soham for the context. But in terms of football's future, I think we must exclude players for that. It's a very dangerous message for amateurs players. We have to protect refs authority. And champions league refs should be models for younger officials. In this match, this isn't the good one...

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    11. Yes you're correct... I think that's something the powers that be need to look at how they achieve the proper balance between man management and strict disciplinary control and cautions!!

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  19. Mighty Juve! They could give 5-6 goals already. Defense as a wall, Monaco's as as Swiss cheese :-) Hope Juve will win CL, they absolutely deserve it.
    Kuipers missed 2 cautions maybe (Mandzukic and one Juve player for foul on right side close to PK arean in 29-30'), but who cares when we have such a nice game.

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  20. Superb FairPlay action of Mandzukic who told Kuipers was a mistake to gave him a corner kick. Well done by Kuipers who overruled himself.
    Good refereeing in general but not challenging match as well.

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    1. Yes great gesture by Mandzukic 🙂 Also nice to see Kuipers overruling himself... Accepting one's own mistakes is a good thing!! 🙂

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  21. Should the AAR have detected that elbow by Mandzukic at 72'? I suspect a missed penalty! (Good YC for dissent/USB to Bonucci though).
    And before, YC/RC for the stomp on Higuain? The player quite literally had no time to move, though.

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    1. You're questioning whether Glik's stomp should have been a straight red for violent conduct?

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    2. Very borderline incident for me... As an observer I'd have backed either call by the referee!!!

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    3. Still have that doubt Emil?

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    4. No, not after seeing a clear replay. You know, that's how I like to proceed: I have doubts until I get information that allows me to rule one way or the other. I get that you may prefer to judge first and get information later, but I guess we're just different in that regard.

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  22. Oh, what happened there in 72'??? Very poor management from Kuipers, he missed lots of things there, maybe RCs even and a penalty, and everything for not stopping the match when Monaco player stood on Higuain's leg.

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    1. The Higuain incident looked very borderline to me so I'll back the play on!!

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    2. ...I' m Monaco fan...and clearly violent conduct with attempt on physical integrity. Cristal RC ( with replays i mean, surely more difficult for refs but they had to be brave and 2 situations : zero decisions so sorry but poor management of Kuipers here. )

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  23. Two incidents in a few minutes: deliberate violent conduct by Glik, stepping on Higuain, who was lying down? We can't be sure, but very borderline incident. Monaco's player was lucky to escape from a disciplinary measure.
    A few later, clearly illegal use of arm / elbow by Manduzkic. In my opinion in this case at least YC. Kuipers missed it.
    Not the best moments for the Dutch.

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  24. Sorry Soham but at 72´ :
    - missed foul and YC for Higuain
    - missed violent conduct of Klik on Higuain. Stonewall RC for polish player. Unbelievable gesture. Dutch team has to see the bad action.
    - YC missed (penalty ? ) on Fabinho by Mandzukic in front of AR1 and AAR1.
    Kuipers was sleeping...
    Unbelievable lenient and laxist no decisions...

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    1. Yes missed YC for Mandzukic I agree... But why do you need to say sorry to me?? :D

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    2. Because we are future friends ;). If YC, there is also penalty...

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    3. Yes we are friends :) No need to say sorry to me for pointing out Kuipers' error... If he makes mistakes that has to be discussed just like any other referees so absolutely no problem with that!!!

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  25. I'm really sorry but in a few minutes, Kuipers spoiled a quite good performance.
    Everything can happen in a while, referees must be ready! No matter the score and the fact that clash is already decided in favor of a team!

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    1. Yes looks like he has lost a bit of control here!!

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  26. Higuain and Raggi are talking and still no yc for one of them.

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  27. Benoit, welcome to the new modern way of one officiating. Where turning a blind eye to obvious actions is completely acceptable, tolerated, and actually expected.
    It will all be explained by using cute little phrases such as "trends, instructions, and directives".
    But whatever it takes to keep 22 on the the pitch.

    Totally not trampling the Law's of the Game, right?

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    1. It's unbelievable that refs accept these kinds of attitude which ruin their management. Sorry but this isn't refereeing for me. This is pathetic show and bad example for younger players. I ´ m sick when I see these kinds of actions not punished. And I insist on Mendy. This is RC. You cannot accept a player who kicked with violence the ball in front of assistant ref. Poor symbol for us...

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    2. True. It's like English football of late 80s... No one cares about players' safety. It's a shame for UEFA and FIFA.

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    3. The ones who will suffer the most with this type of displays will be the new young Referee's. The ones who look up to these refs and who watch these refs to pick up pointers and styles.
      Benoit, I for one am happy to have had mentors, instructor's, and international Referee's who were and are the total opposite of this "tend".

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    4. I know former french refs like Vautrot, Poulat or Layec which be very doubtful too in front of this scandalous trend...

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    5. From my country. Arturo Brizio Carter, Felipe Ramos Rizo, Armando Archundia, and Marco Rodriguez have all been vocal opponents of this style of officiating.

      Glik's stomp reminds me of a situation at France 98.
      Saudi Arabia vs the home country France. Zinedine Zidane stomps on a fallen Saudi player and Arturo Brizio Carter(MEX) shows strong character and sends off the hometown mega star without even thinking twice about it.

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    6. Oh Sheriff! I m a big fan of mister Carter or Benito (normal ;) ) Archundia Tellez who were wonderful and strong referees...Nostalgic :) !

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    7. Benoit, we certainly no longer have those you're of referees anymore. Along with other from that era. If those men were the ones in the middle of these matches and they were allowed to employ their styles. Imagine how beautiful the Game would truly be.

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  28. I'm sure now: Glik did it on purpose. A replay is clear: he looks for Higuain, to be sure to hit him, and then he loads the leg! Unacceptable, he should be banned for months by UEFA. Kuipers must report that he totally missed the incident! No doubts now.

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    1. I agree with you, Chefren!!

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    2. Indeed, Glik should be suspended retroactively. And if that is to happen it would be made public.
      My question is, what about team Kuiper's I this situation. How are the masses going to know that something has been done to ensure that team Kuiper's didn't miss these type of incidents in the future?

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  29. I'm sorry that such horror - actions are very often misread by Elite referees.
    Cakir in the last minutes of Spain - Italy at EURO did something like that.
    I don't know whether referees are instructed to close their eyes (that would be very sad and dangerous) or they always miss / misread what happens on the pitch.
    Sorry for these very harsh words, but players safety must be always protected!

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    1. Too many crucial mistakes. 7,9 for me.

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    2. @Chefren Do you think that Kuipers deliberately ignored the incident by being lineant or did he miss the incident completely?? Overall what would be his possible mark this evening?? 🤔

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    3. I think he missed the incident completely!
      I'm sure about two crucial mistakes, so for me no more than 7.4.
      But, in case one would like to back him even in both incidents, we must report as main point for improvement the alertness! Referee must be always alert until the end of the game.
      So: 7.4.
      If not crucial mistake, for me still the minimum: 8.0.

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    4. Which one would be the 2nd crucial mistake according to you?? The no penalty call?? 🤔 I just don't know why but I've a gut feeling that both calls will be eventually backed... But either way Kuipers surely will reflect on this performance, try to improve the things that were missing tonight and then return stronger!!!

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    5. Yes, the penalty. However, apart from the incidents, I got the impression that Kuipers was mentally out in the last minutes of the game, sorry I must be honest. I didn't like that.

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    6. Yes I agree with that... He indeed lost some concentration and that's indeed an important point of improvement for him before his next assignment!! By the way I would go for a 7.8 (8.0) mark... I would back him with the no penalty call!!

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    7. The last 20 minutes indeed resembled a bit like the Spain v Italy EURO match where Çakir lost control... I hope lessons will be learnt and the relevant mistakes and areas for improvement will be addressed and rectified by Kuipers before his next games in South Korea!! I wish him all the best!! 🙂

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    8. Someone told me once that the marks are for weak, not perspective referees in order to classify them in some way. All elite, perspective first and second group referees (future talents UEFA already discovered) are not judged only by marks, but mainly by overall impressions observers/committee get after their performances. And I have to be fair: Kuipers gave a bad impression today. The mistake that is not excusable at any level: lack of alertness/concentration. I think the committee won't be happy at all.

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    9. That's where the challenge would lie for Kuipers now... To make a comeback and improve the shortcomings!!

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    10. @RayHD would this performance be somewhat comparable to the one by Çakir in Spain v Italy in Euro 2016?? I was trying to think about what effect this performance can have on Kuipers' appointments next season??

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    11. I think these both cases can be compared.

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    12. Then I'm sure Kuipers can recover well and his appointments won't be affected a great deal considering that is exactly what happened to Çakir!!

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  30. Moutinho and Raggi ...How they didnt get yc i dont understand that?????

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  31. I just want to ask UEFA: when will you start to suspend players for VC in your competitions when the referee misses that?

    Btw., Kuipers' alertness was average at best and there was no clear line at all regarding disciplinary control this evening. Poor (important points for improvement = 8.0/8.1 level).

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    1. Agree Ray. But lack of authority and charisma when critical situations occurred. So for me, more 7,9 than 8,0. If you can tell me your thoughts about Mendy at 51´, it should be cool guys. ;)

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    2. If that was a missed penalty in 73' then I would say 7.9... But definitely important points of improvement so here's hoping that he works hard on those and comes back stronger in his next assignment in South Korea!!

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    3. If he missed a red card it is not better than 7,9.Because he made a crucial mistake, and he missed a penalty, 1-2 YC so this is not the best marks. IMO 7,6

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    4. Soham, I just want to say that VAR might be very precious on this match. We have to help refs on controversial and important decisions, particularly when they saw...nothing. Magistral demonstration of lacks of AAR here.
      BTW, good chance for Kuipers in future matches ;)

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    5. Lack of control, authority and charisma = 7.5-7.7 or 8.0/8.1
      Crucial mistakes = wrong goal call, wrong penalty call, wrong red card call, clear technical mistake, etc.

      So, if we say Kuipers missed one red card offence that was possible to detect, we have to give 7.8 (8.0/8.1) here. If more red cards, penalty mistakes, it makes it 7.0-7.4.

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    6. In this case it would be 7.8 maximum.
      I have to agree with Ray, Kuipers never found a real grip to a game that could have gone an easier way at least based on my feeling.

      BTW, some of the comments above have been deleted. Mrs Jelena re-entered the pitch without permission and even fouled again... stay on a content-level or leave it.

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    7. Benoit, what good would VAR's do? When it's become painfully obvious that the girl in every match is to start and finish with 22 players. No matter what actions happen during the 90 minutes.

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    8. Ray, they have had two or three opportunities just in this round but have decided to turn a blind eye. Of course, what example would they give to those referees they want to not send off anyone if UEFA actually banned players? To them it must look very logical and then they say they don't want to rearbitrate those situations to justify their behaviour.

      Honestly, that should stop right now. Before there is any serious injury.

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    9. Agree Sheriff. But Fifa and Uefa will have problems if they make new refs with VAR and continue this way of "blinded whistle". So, we will see in few months how they can conciliate their doubtful trend and video assistance. No ?

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    10. There was already a serious injury. Have we forgotten about Seamus Coleman (Ireland)?

      And how severe of a suspension did FIFA hand down to Neil Taylor (Wales)? 2 matches!!! Yeah, you treat that right. 2 measly matches.

      What a strong message sent against serious foul pay, right?

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    11. Yes, I had forgotten. Sorry about that. So more reason to stop it as soon as possible. As Eduardo Iturralde González has said sometimes, the players are the key of this sport (or for many, business). They must be protected by the LoG and the application of the referees.

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  32. I ask, and I am quite serious and honest when I ask the following.
    What is FIFA's and UEFA's ultimate goal in allowing modern football to become a lot more permissive?

    Any and all answers would be greatly appreciated. Just trying to get a feel on how that on you here view these modern trends.

    Thank you all in advance.

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    1. I saw this evolution in France too. Pascal Garibian' s directives are the same. "Let the game flow" "Be tolerant to contacts"...lots of second YC not given. It's clear. But catastrophical for football...

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    2. I believe it is mainly intended to produce more goals and quicker games.

      Tonight I however think the missed red cards were indeed simply "missed" on a perception level (I hope so). And not deliberately overlooked. A difference to what we have seen at WC 2014, for example.

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    3. In Poland it's the same. No cards for clear SPA, for clear reckless tackles, for clear unsporting behaviours like dissent, delaying restart of the game, etc. Always the same: "manage this rather than issue a card".

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    4. Niclas, do you remember the changes that were made prior to the 94 World Cup and why those changes were made?

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    5. @Niclas which situations do you think should've been red cards other than the Higuain stamp?? 🤔 In that case can it be a mark around 7.3/7.4?? 🤔

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    6. It has gotten out of hand clearly and the only way to stop it is too go out on media and say that referees will be tougher against fouls and dives will be punished after the mat h if they are missed by the refs. But Fifa/Uefa will never do that.

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    7. Well, in general I don't want to return to the early 2000s. I prefer a style and approach that allows physical, hard play, as long as it is fair. If it is unfair, referees have to step in and send clear (preventive) messages - either with verbal warnings, or, if the laws prescribe and want it, with cards. Being communicative, "lenient" AND "strict" in the sense of "consistent" at the same time must be possible. I sometimes get the impression that in many debates (not only on this blog) some people are in favour of referee who manages players with a carrot (like at WC 2014) and others like some of you clearly favour a strict approach with a whiplash. IMO, we need both. A situation-based approach that allows the referee to be flexible, predictable, protect the flow of the game but ALSO the safety of the players. Managing this balance is a key competence of good referees in modern football, I think. Referees like Marciniak are examples of that.

      @Sheriff: No, sorry. I actually was just born at this time :) But I would be interested in getting your input on that.

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    8. Thank you Niclas. Perfect speech. I always repeat when I observe young refs : context, intelligence and adaptation. Btw, I wonder your choice about Mendy's attempt against Zeinstra. What do you think Niclas ? 🙂

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    9. Well I guess I'm showing my age Niclas, hahaha.
      As other Referee's who have for quite some time. The football that was played in the late 80's and early 90's was to put it simply, "brutal". The router of football where players who were considered "hard men" were actually idolized for their hard tackles and general rough play. Actions that were typically under punished or that went completely unpunished. It was an era where talented players like Van Hasten and Maradona were brutally hacked in order to stop them. The type of punishment that caused the unfortunate early retirement of Van Basten.

      So prior to the 94 World Cup, FIFA decided to crack down on rough play. It then that FIFA adopted that tackles from behind would result in a straight Red Card. And in the opening game of the 94 World Cup. Arturo Brizio Carter(MEX), sent off Marco Etcheverry for just that.

      But just 20 years later in Brasil it seemed that things had reverted back to the brutal 90's.

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  33. Chefren mentioned it above and I'd like to reiterate it. Part of our responsibility as Referee's is "player safety"!!!
    However, in our current tend and style of officiating, the powers that be have seemed to have forgotten that.

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  34. Now, I see incident at 2nd minute of the match. With focused replay, we see clearly an obvious foul of Buffon on Falcao : he kicked him strongly at face...penalty ? My taste is yes with VAR. On direct refereeing, very difficult decision to detect goalkeeper gesture...

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  35. Juventus - AS Monaco (Björn Kuipers)

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    1. Thanks.
      Situation at the beginning of the game involving Buffon can be a penalty. Call would be justified, but I must admit quite difficult to spot live and one can still say: "Not enough". If called, a penalty would have caused astonishment, but it would have been a correct call.
      Offside in 31' (another discussed situation): I think there isn't any influence on opponents by the player in offside and he is not punishable, but very likely AR2 detected a wrong offside. I don't think that he raised the flag considering the player active, but he thought that Falcao (who played the ball) was in offside. It was a very tricky situation, with a player in tight offside who didn't participate and then other players in regular positions.

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    2. 02' - I think there was a contact between Buffon and Falcao because Dani Alves slightly pushed Falcao in the neck. Was Dani Alves' action a foul? Rather typical fight for position. Did Falcao have any chance to play the ball in the moment of contact with Buffon? Rather not, the ball goes behind him. Could Buffon have expected that Dani Alves' push on Falcao? Surely not. Difficult situation and I can't see a CLEAR foul of Buffon. No crucial mistake for me.
      30' - no offside for my taste, both players fighting for the ball are unable to play it
      35' - excellent call from van Roekel here!
      46' - missed YC for reckless stamp
      52' - I see it clearly, now: Mendy's act against Zeinstra should have been red carded. But most likely no one will blame Kuipers for only yellow card...
      63' - I wouldn't expect such fair-play from Mandžukić, nice!
      72' - missed RC to Glik and then I wouldn't blame refs for not giving a penalty, I can't see a clear elbow-on-face foul
      90+1' - again Glik, missed (rather careless) illegal use of arm and then an unsporting behaviour (stamp) in the corner. One of the victim, Mandžukić, booked. :/

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    3. About the incident in 51' involving AR2: of course, in case of clear act against the AR, this should be a RC even though the AR is not hit by ball. However, I think we can't be 100% sure, one must see that player wants to hit the AR. Before kicking the ball, in the live sequence, player looks at AR who is raising the flag: this could be a clue but nothing more. Very, very borderline.

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    4. I'd say the Glik missed red card is the only crucial mistake of the match so I'll give a 7.8 (8.0/8.1)... And the lack of alertness/concentration in the later part of the 2nd half is another Kuipers needs to work on!!

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    5. After watching all the videos posted here (thanks to DutchRef for this great work) I can say that it wasn't the easiest game for Kuipers yesterday.
      I agree with the missed RC for Glik in 72', IMO he knew where he was stamping...
      To the incindent in 52': For me a clear RC, even more obvious than the missed one in 72'. If a player shoots a ball deliberatly in the assistants directions (he even had to raise his leg, otherwise he would have been hit by the ball) is really unnecessary and everything but not respectful. I wouldn't tolerate this behaviour.

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    6. @Soham
      What about Mandzukic's elbow at 72/73? Not a crucial mistake?

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    7. @Emil
      I'll back the referee in that instance... As RayHD said in his analysis, I can't really see a clear elbow-on-face foul... So I would say the contact is probably not enough for a penalty so I'll back the referee on this... Not a crucial mistake for me if I was the observer!! 🙂

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