June 6, 2017

FIFA U20 World Cup - South Korea 2017 - Appointments for Semifinals

The following officials have been appointed by FIFA for 2017 U20 WC Semifinals. 




08/06/17

Uruguay - Venezuela 
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (Poland)
Assistant Referee 1: Pawel Sokolnicki (Poland)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (Poland)
Fourth Official: Ghead Grisha (Egypt)
Video Assistant Referee 1: Daniele Orsato (Italy)
Video Assistant Referee 2: Redouane Achik (Morocco)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Svein Oddvar Moen (Norway)

Italy - England 
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (Spain)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (Spain)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (Spain)
Fourth Official: Cüneyt Çakır (Turkey)
Video Assistant Referee 1: Felix Zwayer (Germany)
Video Assistant Referee 2: Bahattin Duran (Turkey)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Danny Makkelie (Netherlands) 

154 Comments:

  1. So last 2 games for Julio Bascunan and Björn Kuipers now??

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    1. Final for AFC or CONCACAF referee?
      Is César Ramos possible?

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    2. Not impossible but I want to see Julio Bascunan for the Final...although performance principle wise it should be Björn Kuipers but Julio Bascunan must be tested ahead of Russia 2018!!

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    3. Cesar Ramos and Walter Lopez both very possible for the Final. Bascunan may be omitted for having failed to spot the intentional stomp by the Italian player on the Zambian player. Even though it happened in his line of sight directly in front of him.

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    4. I agree, the final should go to CONCACAF. After so many years, I think they are going to choose Lopez. Ramos is IMO much more talented and I would like to see him at the World Cup, but a quarterfinal seems to be enough. Maybe they might send an all-CONCACAF crew into the final, including Garcia as VAR, and Ramos as 4th...

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    5. usaref was saying that Garcia has a WC Qualifier on 11/06 🤔 CONCACAF referees got the final in 2011 as well as 2013... 2015 went to AFC so this year it should go to CONMEBOL or UEFA or CAF... So I'll say Julio Bascunan or Sidi Alioum would be deserving... Björn Kuipers would be deserving as well but I think a comparatively lesser experienced official might be tested there!! :)

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    6. Ah ok. I don't know how Mohamed performed in his games (only saw his red cards). But maybe he would also be an option.

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    7. He has performed fairly well... Not in the league of leading AFC referees like Irmatov or Faghani but he is decent... Interpersonal skills aren't that good is what I've deciphered from watching 3 of his games but overall a calm and composed ref by the looks of it!!

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    8. Garcia's qualifier is on 13/6 and Aguilar's is ion 11/6 (Mexico's match got moved up to 11/6 so they can participate in Confed Cup), but yes, I would think Garcia is unavailable.

      For the Final, is it crazy to think Kuipers will have it with Makkelie as his VAR, so that it's essentially an all-Dutch crew?

      If not Kuipers, I'd be on Grisha with the Final whistle and Kim as the 3/4 whistle.

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    9. Given two semifinals to UEFA officials, however, I would exclude them for the final.

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    10. I'll go for Sidi Alioum and Julio Bascunan for the final 2 games!! :)

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  2. I think Kuipers will be then on the final.. however, all three finals for European referees only will be very unusual. For me this would shows no trust in other continents. Your opinions?

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    1. Will they give the Final to such a highly experienced, Elite official?? 🤔

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    2. In pre World Cup years, since the advent of the public candidate's list, it's gone to Hauge (2005), De Bleeckere (2009) and Garcia (2013). All were pretty big names at the time of their appointments. I would think a big name like Kuipers is very possible.

      Of course, there is some irony in the fact that Hauge and Garcia then did not make it to Germany and Brazil, respectively.

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    3. It was a joke Hauge didn't make WC2006

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    4. Kuipers I think is pretty much a certainty for the World Cup which is the reason why I think it will be some referee in the Final in Suwon who needs more testing before WC 2018!! :)

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  3. very good message for polish team , good luck Szymon

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  4. https://youtu.be/8c6Ztkf3MaI?t=3m58s SPA or DOGSO? Clear DOGSO for me...

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    1. In my opinion DOGSO is the first choice there, however YC for SPA not 100% wrong, still at referee's discretion. Maybe he thought that the defender in the middle could have tried to anticipate the opponent. But indeed he was late!

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    2. For me clearly DOGSO. He would be free in front of the goalkeeper, could either shoot or make a pass to the other player. No other defender was able to intervene - crucial mistake in my view.

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    3. Never a more clear, obvious, gigantic, example of the cancerous "modern trend" of under punishing players actions. But hey, we're force fed by higher ups that this is good for the game. No matter that it goes against the spirit of the game and typically if not always against the Laws of the Game.

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    4. Some context about the match: it was the first leg of the semifinal for promotion to Spanish Second Division (LaLiga 123) between Valencia CF B and Real Murcia CF, played at Mestalla. The result of the match was 2-1. This situation happened in the 9th minute of the match.

      In the match report (which can be seen here: http://actas.rfef.es/actas/RFEF_CmpActa2?cod_primaria=1000144&CodActa=42686) the referee wrote that "in the 9th minute, player (4) was booked for the following reason: holding an opponent, stopping a promising attack.".

      Given the kind of match it was, it might have meant that he had chances of being promoted to Second Division, but with such a mistake, I think those will have disappeared for this season.

      Thanks for your thoughts :)

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    5. So you're saying, had the referee correctly sent off the Valencia player. The end result may have been different? Referee decisions that directly affect the outcome of matches. ;)

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    6. No one can know that. It may have been different, it may have not, although a red card very often changes the development of the match. All I wanted to say with that is which match it was and in which level, as it is not top professional football.

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    7. Nevertheless it's still a professional football match in which the Laws of the Game still apply, correct?

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  5. Some very early Confed Cup predictions:

    RUS-NZL: Gassama, Birumushahu, Range, Geiger
    POR-MEX: Faghani, Sokhandan, Mansouri, Al Mirdasi
    CMR-CHI: Rocchi, Di Liberatore, Tonolini, Skomina
    AUS-GER: Roldán, Guzman, de la Cruz, Pitana
    RUS-POR: Skomina, Praprotnik, Vukan, Roldán
    MEX-NZL: Al-Mirdasi, Alshalwai, Alabakry, Faghani
    CMR-AUS: Mazic, Ristic, Djurdjevic, Rocchi
    GER-CHI: Geiger, Fletcher, Morgante, Gassama
    MEX-RUS: Pitana, Maidana, Belatti, Al Mirdasi
    NZL-POR: Roldán, Guzman, de la Cruz, Geiger
    GER-CMR: Faghani, Sokhandan, Mansouri, Rocchi
    CHI-AUS: Gassama, Birumushahu, Range, Mazic

    Favourites for the last 4 games: Faghani, Pitana, Skomina + Geiger/a 2nd European?

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    1. My predictions:
      RUS-NZL: Al-Mirdasi, Alshalwai, Alabakry, Faghani, Irmatov, Hategan
      POR-MEX: Pitana, Maidana, Belatti, Zitouni, Caceres, Diedhiou
      CMR-CHI: Rocchi, Di Liberatore, Tonolini, Skomina, Soares Dias, Turpin
      AUS-GER: Roldán, Guzman, de la Cruz, Gassama, Ricci, Marrufo
      RUS-POR: Skomina, Praprotnik, Vukan, Pitana, Turpin, Caceres
      MEX-NZL: Gassama, Birumushahu, Range, Al-Mirdasi, Diedhiou, Ricci
      CMR-AUS: Mazic, Ristic, Djurdjevic, Roldan, Hategan, Soares Dias
      GER-CHI: Geiger, Fletcher, Morgante, Zitouni, Marrufo, Irmatov
      MEX-RUS: Faghani, Sokhandan, Mansouri, Zitouni, Irmatov, Hategan
      NZL-POR: Rocchi, di Liberatore, Tonolini, Geiger, Marrufo, Diedhiou
      GER-CMR: Pitana, Maidana, Belatti, Al-Mirdasi, Caceres, Ricci
      CHI-AUS: Skomina, Praprotnik, Vukan, Mazic, Turpin, Soares Dias

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    2. My predictions (just MD1):
      CONFED CUP: (Referee - FO - VAR1, VAR2)
      RUS-NZL: Pitana (ARG) - Skomina (SVN) - Ricci (BRA), Hategan (ROU)
      POR-MEX: Al Mirdasi (KSA) - Gassama (GAM) - Irmatov (UZB), Marrufo (USA)
      CMR-CHI: Rocchi (ITA) - Zitouni (TAH) - Turpin (FRA), Diedhiou (SEN)
      AUS-GER: Roldán (COL) - Faghani (IRN) - Caceres (PAR), Dias (POR)

      U21EC: (Referee; Fourth Official)
      SWE-ENG: Gil Manzano (ESP); Hassan (ISR)
      POL-SVK: Mazeika (LTU); Vincic (SVN)
      POR-SRB: Kruzliak (SVK); Borkowski (POL)
      ESP-MKD: Stieler (GER); Germeshko (RUS)
      GER-CZE: Gözübüyük (NED); Madden (SCO)
      DEN-ITA: Lechner (AUT); Obukowicz (POL)

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    3. RUS-NZL: PITANA
      POR-MEX: FAGHANI
      CMR-CHI: GEIGER
      AUS-GER: AL-MIRDASI
      RUS-POR: SKOMINA
      MEX-NZL: ROCCHI
      CMR-AUS: MAZIC
      GER-CHI: GASSAMA
      MEX-RUS: ROLDAN
      NZL-POR: GEIGER
      GER-CMR: FAGHANI
      CHI-AUS: ROCCHI

      Skomina, Mazic, Pitana and one other (really could be anyone depending on matchups) for the last four.

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    4. Mine for U21 (Referee; Fourth Official)
      SWE-ENG: Gil Manzano (ESP); Demeshko (RUS)
      POL-SVK: Gözübüyük (NED); Hassan (ISR)
      POR-SRB: Bastien (FRA); Borkowski (POL)
      ESP-MKD: Mazeika (LTU); Foltyn (GER)
      GER-CZE: Lechner (AUT); Nevado R. (ESP)
      DEN-ITA: Vincic (SVN); Obukowicz (POL)

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    5. My predictions for Confederations Cup :

      RUS-NZL: Alireza Faghani
      POR-MEX: Nestor Pitana
      CMR-CHI: Gianluca Rocchi
      AUS-GER: Wilmar Roldan
      RUS-POR: Damir Skomina
      MEX-NZL: Bakary Gassama
      CMR-AUS: Milorad Mazic
      GER-CHI: Mark Geiger
      MEX-RUS: Fahad Al-Mirdasi
      NZL-POR: Wilmar Roldan
      GER-CMR: Alireza Faghani
      CHI-AUS: Gianluca Rocchi

      Pitana, Skomina/Mazic, Gassama and Geiger for the last 4 games!!

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  6. Any article coming about the appointments on the upcomming european qualiferis?

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    1. WC QF appointments
      09/06
      GIB-CYP Nikola Popov (BUL)
      EST-BEL John Beaton (SCO)
      BHR-GRE Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
      AND-HUN Charalambos Kalogeropuols (GRE)
      LTA-POR István Kovács (ROU)
      FAR-SUI Luca Banti (ITA)
      BLR-BUL Matej Jug (SVN)
      SWE-FRA Martin Atkinson (ENG)
      NED-LUX Bartosz Frankwoski (POL)

      10/06
      SLO-MLT Simon Lee Ewans (WAL)
      SCO-ENG Paolo Tagliavento (ITA)
      AZE-NIR Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
      KAZ-DEN Vladislav Bezbodorov (RUS)
      LTU-SVK Manuel Gräfe (GER)
      NOR-CZE Andre Marriner (ENG)
      GER-SMR Radu Petrescu (ROU)
      MNE-ARM Kevin Blom (NED)
      POL-ROU Ruddy Buquet (FRA)

      11/06
      FIN-UKR Alon Yefet (ISR)
      MDA-GEO Andreas Ekkberg (SWE)
      IRL-AUT David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
      KOS-TUR Miroslav Zelinka (CZE)
      ICE-CRO Alberto Undiano Mallenco (ESP)
      MKD-ESP Pawel Gil (POL)
      ISR-ALB Aleksei Kulbakov (BLR)
      ITA-LIE Kevin Clancy (SCO)
      SRB-WAL Manuel De Sousa (POR)

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  7. Breaking news out of Mexico.
    Two time World Cup referee Arturo Brizio Carter in talks with the Mexican Football Federation.
    Mr. Brizio Carter may be leaving his current position as an analyst with Mexican TV station Televisa to become the new President of the Mexican Referee Commission.

    Me personally, I would be beyond happy to see this actually happen. The level of the Mexican Referee's is already tops in all of CONCACAF and this move would surely only ensure to further improve this.

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    1. Arturo Brizio Carter > Peter Walton and all of "PRO"

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  8. Paolo Silvio Mazzoleni has replaced Luca Banti in Faroe Islands - Switzerland (WC Qualifier, 09/06)

    Nikolay Levnikov will observe Martin Atkinson in Sweden - France (chance for the WC?)

    All games to be played on 09/06 with referee assessors and match commissioners:

    09/06

    Andorra - Hungary
    Referee: Charalambos Kalogeropoulos (Greece)
    Assistant Referee 1: Damianos Efthymiadis (Greece)
    Assistant Referee 2: Lazaros Dimitriadis (Greece)
    Fourth Official: Giorgios Kominis (Greece)
    FIFA Referee Assessor: Terje Hauge (Norway)
    FIFA Match Commissioner: Bujar Kasmi (Albania)

    Belarus - Bulgaria
    Referee: Matej Jug (Slovenia)
    Assistant Referee 1: Matej Žunič (Slovenia)
    Assistant Referee 2: Manuel Vidali (Slovenia)
    Fourth Official: Rade Obrenovič (Slovenia)
    FIFA Referee Assessor: Matteo Simone Trefoloni (Italy)
    FIFA Match Commissioner: William Campbell (Northern Ireland)

    Bosnia and Herzegovina - Greece
    Referee: Nicola Rizzoli (Italy)
    Assistant Referee 1: Riccardo Di Fiore (Italy)
    Assistant Referee 2: Lorenzo Manganelli (Italy)
    Fourth Official: Marco Guida (Italy)
    FIFA Referee Assessor: Miroslav Tulinger (Czech Republic)
    FIFA Match Commissioner: Christian Schmölzer (Austria)

    Estonia - Belgium
    Referee: John Beaton (Scotland)
    Assistant Referee 1: Alan Mulvanny (Scotland)
    Assistant Referee 2: Graeme Stewart (Scotland)
    Fourth Official: Robert Madden (Scotland)
    FIFA Referee Assessor: Sándor Piller (Hungary)
    FIFA Match Commissioner: David McDowell (Slovenia)

    Faroe Islands - Switzerland
    Referee: Paolo Silvio Mazzoleni (Italy)
    Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (Italy)
    Assistant Referee 2: Filippo Meli (Italy)
    Fourth Official: Davide Massa (Italy)
    FIFA Referee Assessor: Leslie Irvine (Northern Ireland)
    FIFA Match Commissioner: Velid Imamović (Bosnia and Herzegovina)

    Gibraltar - Cyprus
    Referee: Nikola Popov (Bulgaria)
    Assistant Referee 1: Ivo Kolev (Bulgaria)
    Assistant Referee 2: Martin Venev (Bulgaria)
    Fourth Official: Georgi Kabakov (Bulgaria)
    FIFA Referee Assessor: Jan Willem Wegereef (Netherlands)
    FIFA Match Commissioner: Claude Runavot (France)

    Latvia - Portugal
    Referee: István Kovács (Romania)
    Assistant Referee 1: Mihai Ovidiu Artene (Romania)
    Assistant Referee 2: Vasile Florin Marinescu (Romania)
    Fourth Official: Horațiu Mircea Feșnic (Romania)
    FIFA Referee Assessor: Sokol Jareci (Albania)
    FIFA Match Commissioner: Emil Ubias (Czech Republic)

    Netherlands - Luxembourg
    Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (Poland)
    Assistant Referee 1: Radosław Siejka (Poland)
    Assistant Referee 2: Michał Obukowicz (Poland)
    Fourth Official: Krzysztof Jakubik (Poland)
    FIFA Referee Assessor: Darko Čeferin (Slovenia)
    FIFA Match Commissioner: Danilo Filacchione (Italy)

    Sweden - France
    Referee: Martin Atkinson (England)
    Assistant Referee 1: Stephen Child (England)
    Assistant Referee 2: Stuart Burt (England)
    Fourth Official: Michael Oliver (England)
    FIFA Referee Assessor: Nikolay Levnikov (Russia)
    FIFA Match Commissioner: David Griffiths (Wales)

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    1. Thank you so much, a post was planned and it will be published tomorrow!

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  9. Ranking of Portugal Referees in the 2016/17 season:

    01. Jorge Sousa (FIFA)
    02. Artur Soares Dias (FIFA)
    03. Carlos Xistra (FIFA)
    04. Bruno Paixão
    05. Nuno Almeida
    06. Hugo Miguel (FIFA)
    07. Fábio Veríssimo (FIFA)
    08. Manuel Oliveira
    09. Hélder Malheiro
    10. João Pinheiro (FIFA)
    11. Rui Costa
    12. Tiago Martins (FIFA)
    13. Bruno Esteves
    14. Vasco Santos
    15. Gonçalo Martins
    16. Manuel Mota
    17. Luís Godinho (FIFA)
    18. Rui Oliveira
    19. Luís Ferreira
    - - - demoted - - -
    20. João Mendes
    21. Tiago Antunes
    22. João Matos
    23. Jorge Ferreira
    - - - - -
    Not classified: João Capela (FIFA)


    Promoted from second category:
    01. Vítor Ferreira
    02. António Nobre

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  10. Any information about promotions and demotions in UEFA's Referee Categories

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    1. Still nothing. It seems as committee's meeting is not planned for now.

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  11. Norbert Hauata has a WC Qualifier on 11/06 so he is out if the last 2 U20 World Cup games!! Really strange from FIFA that they gave him just one single game and have sent him home!!

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    1. Soham, it's becoming common practice for FIFA to screw over (excuse my language) OFC referees. Let us not forget that FIFA took Khader Zitouni (Tahiti) to the 2016 Club Word Cup. And the poor guy never even saw any time on the pitch. Talk about demoralizing for any referee.

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    2. Yes really unfortunate... At least they could've given him 2 group stage matches... He is a good referee and this kind of poor appointing won't do his confidence any good!! :(

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    3. Soham, let's be real. Since Busacca took change. The management of Referee's at all FIFA sanctioned tournaments has been head scratching and at times down right inexcusable. To include the obscure methodology that they employ to assign referees.

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    4. Yeah I do agree... Appointing at times looks really sloppy and logicless... I think Pl Collina did a much better job with the appointing in UEFA circles!!

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  12. @Chefren Do you have any idea which refereeing teams are remaining in South Korea at this moment?? 🤔

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    1. Apart from the officials appointed for semifinals, I don't know. Sorry :)

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    2. Maybe Alioum's trio is still there and they will get third place final.

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    3. Very much possible... Alioum had 2 very good games in the group stage!! :)

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  13. Acceptable caution to the Venezuelan player in the 18th. The major contact to the Uruguayan players face was with the Venezuelans palm and not forearm or elbow. The Venezuelan player was also only using his arm to create space and not as a weapon.

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  14. Correct no-penalty call. Well done!

    https://streamable.com/kec6d

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    1. Other than when the play happened live and in real time. We here in the U.S. were unable to see a replay of the play because the television feed was lost for about a minute. To be honest, the feed going out like it did and when it did. Made me go hmmmm? Lol. But it's good to see that there was nothing there.

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  15. 47': penalty assigned after VAR review.

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    1. supportable decision.

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    2. What was Marciniak's initial call?? 🤔

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    3. Nothing there, play on, get up was his initial decision.

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    4. I'm very sad that Marciniak made a mistake 😭 Heartbreaking moment for me 💔

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    5. It happens. It doesn't look good, but it happens.

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    6. Yes part and parcel of the game... After all Marciniak is a human... But making an error in a crunch Semi-final doesn't make a good impression :(

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    7. I think he just missed a Red Card. Elbow used as a weapon by a Venezuelan player which did indeed make contact with the Uruguayans face.

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    8. No VAR review on that?? 🤔

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    9. Then Marciniak's call is supportable!! 😎

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    10. He showed a caution on the play. Can the VAR intervene and tell the referee to upgrade the card from yellow to red?

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    11. That's a point to find out... I remember VAR intervening in Argentina v England and Abdulla Hassan Mohammed then dished out a red card after VAR review... But in that case Mohammed initially missed the incident completely!!

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  16. Uh oh, VAR intervention.

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  17. After viewing a replay. I think the penalty kick was blown for more because of how the Venezuelan player went into that challenge. Studs first.

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  18. Oh no, that's not at all like the play in the 1st half. In this case the Venezuelan player does indeed use his elbow as a weapon.

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  19. After first replay, my reaction was "why, the hell, did he award that penalty!". Then, after second replay shown later, "oh, well, human's eye is really weak".

    https://streamable.com/91ot4

    https://streamable.com/6wk72

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    1. Your opinion on the Venezuelans use of his elbow as a weapon that makes contact with the Uruguayans players face.

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    2. Very borderline. I would have preferred a red card, but no VAR intervention.

      https://streamable.com/4tsku

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    3. 100% good decision to award a penalty kick

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    4. Like I posted above. Is the VAR empowered to intervene in situations where the the referee shows a yellow card and tell him to upgrade it to a Red Card?

      To me this play in the 60th minute is very different from the play in the 18th minute.

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  20. About the elbow, the last replay says to me that it was a deliberate action.
    I think it was RC, but in this case, having Marciniak decided for YC, VAR should have intervened, inviting referee to watch again the incident, as it happened for the penalty. My sensation is that this was still left to referee's discretion: even though the action of player is quite intentional, maybe VAR officials couldn't be 100% sure that it was done on purpose.

    About the penalty, a replay says a thing, another replay says the contrary. So, very difficult from the pitch. The first remark is that Marciniak was so close, but, despite of that, he wasn't able to assess the challenge. At the end, I think a correct penalty was assigned. VAR is very important in such situations.

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    1. Yes, I wouldn't blame Marciniak for that no-penalty call. I think we all were sure there was nothing after watching only first replay. Then, the replay from another angle was shown and we see there is a foul (reckless?, YC?). That's great help!

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    2. In regards to the plays that involved the arms/elbows. The plays in the 18th minute and in the 60th are very different. One is a yellow and the other is red. The main difference to me is the players intent.

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  21. I'd like to ask everyone's opinion in regards to mass confrontations or a possible mass confrontation. How do you proceed? Do you get involved with your presence and whistle and try to prevent the confrontation from becoming too big? Or do you simply stand back and observe?

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    1. I get involved and user preventive measures. I use my presence and my whistle to prevent the situation from growing. To me, if you simply stand back. You're just allowing the confrontation to grow unnecessarily.

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  22. Correctly spotted penalty kick by the VAR. However I do feel that Marciniak missed a Red Card on a Venezuelan player who used his arm/elbow as a weapon with intent to make contact with the Uruguayan's face. His mistake was to judge the play in the 60th minute as similar to the play in the 18th minute. However as Nando said above. The two plays are very different and two different color should have been shown.

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  23. However, if we go back to Argentina - England in group stage and the RC issued after VAR review for a deliberate elbow, we must say that this one occurred today in Uruguay - Venezuela is absolutely more and more evident than the other one.
    In that case, referee had completely missed the incident, but I think it should be the same even if the referee detects the incident but he issues a wrong disciplinary measure.
    At any rate, we can say there wont be consistency in VAR application, given the fact that we will have always human referees behind it.

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    1. Here's what makes me wonder about that incident. What did Marciniak see? If he saw enough to blow for the foul and caution the player. He had to have seen or noticed the intent.

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    2. Or did Marciniak simply choose to "under-punish" the incident?

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    3. Maybe Marciniak's interpretation was that the action deserves only a YC... Not maybe, I mean that's what must have happened!!!

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  24. It's an absolute card fest at Daejeon!!! Wow 😲

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    1. On the bright side, he's still doing better than Velasco Carballo's Brazil vs Colombia. Lol ;)

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    2. Don't compare Marciniak with Velasco Carballo 😷

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  25. Regardless of how repetitive the fouling becomes by certain already cautioned players. That little red square isn't coming out of it's pocket.

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  26. Time for another ABBA penalty shootout!!!

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    1. Such pointless nonsense. If it isn't broken don't fix it. The process for taking kicks from the mark has worked just fine.

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    2. What is your opinion about ABBA penalties?

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    3. Much like a coin toss decides other things in Football. A coin toss did just fine to decide if you shot first or second. And simply alternating kickers has seemed to work well enough for God knows how long.

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    4. ABBA penalties aren't bad but I don't know what utility does it serve in introducing these?? 🤔🤔

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    5. It just serves to confuse uniformed players, coaches, and fans.

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    6. I heard the reason for the change was that the 60% of teams that started the penalty shoot-out were winners.

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  27. I wonder if anybody can pull up the statistics. The number of times a referee had to be assisted by VAR during the tournament. It'll make for some interesting reading.

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  28. Possible 2nd YC to #20 URU and Venezuela's penalty-appeal (no VAR intervention, but no replay in TV...)

    https://streamable.com/fw1sd


    Possible 2nd YC to #8 VEN (twice)

    https://streamable.com/3wnsc
    https://streamable.com/f360u

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    1. No 2ndYC to #20 URU is supportable. However, #8 VEN was - let's say - very lucky to escape from 2ndYC. The first incident (not necessarily the second one) was quite reckless and therefore a 2ndYC wouldn't be wrong.

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  29. The kind of football Venezuela played and the way Italy has been playing in case of a Venezuela v Italy final I think it will be wise to put an experienced UEFA ref like Kuipers or Çakir in charge of the final because that would be a pretty heated affair I think!!

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  30. Predictions for last 2 games :

    Uruguay v Italy : Sidi Alioum (Cameroon)
    Venezuela v England : Julio Bascunan (Chile)

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    1. Mine are
      Uruguay v Italy: Kim, Yoon, Kim (all KOR), Conger (NZL), Shukralla (BHR), Lount, Waldron (both NZL)
      Venezuela v England: Lopez, Lopez, Leal (all GUA), Ramos, Garcia, Torrentera (all MEX), Montero (CRC)

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  31. Everything was OK in Mateu Lahoz game, just one potential VAR intervention when England scored 2-1. Italy asked for a foul, but in my opinion there wasn't any irregular action.

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  32. URU-VEN
    I'm still wondering why VARs wanted Marciniak to rewatch the penalty incident (in my opinion, no rewatch needed as there was a - when watching the replay - clear contact with studs -> important mistake; penalty should be given by VARs without referee's review). Of course one cannot blame Marciniak for missing the foul - very hard to detect.
    However, VARs did not give the referee the opportunity to rewatch the elbow incident. I'm absolutely no supporter of on-field review, nevertheless, exactly this kind of incidents (very borderline to RC, rather RC and the referee not in best position) should be rewatched by the referee. I'm sure they either didn't want to invite Marciniak once again to rewatch another incident (which could have been avoided if they had given the penalty without on-field review) or they simply may not intervene when the referee decides to only go for a YC.

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  33. This elbow is without a doubt a clear RC for me. I really don't understand why the VAR's didn't intervene to help the referee? You can't say this movement is reckless or unintentional. Now Venezuela kept 11 players on the field and scored just before stopping time the equalizer. To be honest I have seen better performances of Marciniak. It also seems that Marciniak has some difficultys with his runningstyle. It doesn't look very flexibel and always in the same tempo. Perhaps he's doing too much strenght training which has an impact on his ability to sprint and run fast.

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  34. Certain sections in the media are reporting g that Walter Lopez Castellanos has a match U20 match on 11 June... Unfortunately I lost the link and can't find it anymore!! :(

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    1. Well, he already officiated Italy - Uruguay in group stage, difficult to see him again in this clash, so if he is appointed I think it is for the final Venezuela - England.

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    2. @Chefren Yes he indeed seems to be a favourite at the moment... By the way, do you think he deserves a final after having crucial calls overturned in both his group games?? I really feel it should be the best performers who should get the Final!!

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    3. I agree, best performers should get finals. However you know, appointments in FIFA tournaments are very often particular. There are other criteria.
      You perhaps remember that in 2014 Club World Cup López Castellanos was appointed as referee for the final, nobody expected him, and based on what we knew at that time, it was the result of a compromise: Real Madrid wanted Proença, San Lorenzo wanted the CONMEBOL referee... so at the end a referee from a neutral confederation but speaking the same language of both teams was assigned to the game.
      So, if FIFA wants to respect again confederations neutrality, the Guatemalan is a clear candidate.

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    4. Actually the Björn Kuipers - Danny Makkelie combination would have been the best combination for this Final I feel... However Confederations neutrality being maintained two other big candidates might be Sidi Alioum and Abdulrahman Al-Jassim!!! Julio Bascunan is another referee who probably deserves more but like Kuipers ruled out due to Confed neutrality... If I was making the appointment I'd have given the final to Björn Kuipers and the 3rd place match to Julio Bascunan!! :)

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  35. http://www.fifa.com/u20worldcup/news/y=2017/m=6/news=var-progressing-at-u-20-world-cup-2893235.html

    A small article on progress of VAR technology from FIFA with snippets from Björn Kuipers and Nawaf Shukralla being included... Makes for a nice read!! :)

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    1. Nice reading but for sure nothing new in addition to what we already knew.
      It would be nice to read an accurate analysis about the incidents occurred and reviewed by VAR, explaning the reasons of some choices. But perhaps I'm asking too much, "normal fans", who read fifa.com, are surely not interested in that like we are. :)

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    2. Really true :) We are the really rare section of fans who follow refereeing more than anything else :D I'm often ridiculed by my friends for taking so much interest in refereeing and that I practise it at school and district level surprises a lot of people when they hear it for the 1st time :D Sometimes it becomes really difficult to explain my interests to a "normal" football fan :)

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  36. No announcement from FIFA yet about match official appointments for the final 2 U20 WC games... Really excited to find who the 2 gentlemen are going to be!! 😎

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  37. Looking back at (recent) past editions of U20 WC we have:
    2007 Undiano Mallenco
    2009 De Bleeckere
    2011 Geiger
    2013 García Orozco
    2015 Al-Mirdasi
    Undiano Mallenco in 2007 was the last case of broken neutrality, he was assigned to a UEFA - CONMEBOL clash (Czech Republic - Argentina).
    I think that FIFA will keep this rule. However, more than López Castellanos I think an AFC or CAF referee would be the best solution for Venezuela - England.
    It is possible that we will see an unexpected name, it is also possible to se Alioum for the final. Would be another very important step for CAF, after CWC final with Sikazwe.
    In addition to what I said yesterday, one must also think that these tournaments (Under 20 and Under 17 world cups) can be the occasion for different appointments, if the officials deserve the assignment.
    However, I think in a few time we will know everything.

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    1. Any predictions on the FOs??

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    2. I think we could see fourth officials from the same confederation of the main referee appointed.

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    3. Some likely referee - FO combinations :

      Neant Alioum - Janny Sikazwe
      Walter Lopez Castellanos - Cesár Ramos
      Abdulrahman Al-Jassim - Abdulla Hassan Mohammed

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    4. Yes, exactly this was what I had in mind.

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    5. 2 other Platonic combinations would be : (not possible in reality 😟)

      Björn Kuipers - Szymon Marciniak
      Julio Bascunan - Andres Cunha

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  38. On a serious note, I won't be surprised if I read Matt Conger's name somewhere in the appointments for final 2 games!!

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  39. The FIFA scorecard for the final once clearly showed Viktor Kassai as the referee for the final with Björn Kuipers as the FO and Daniele Orsato as VAR but the next time I refreshed it the info was totally gone... Another of those bugs by FIFA??? 😕

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    1. However, about VAR, I think Orsato is the first candidate for the final as VAR1. The same Zwayer, but I think Busacca at moment likes so much the work of the Italian behind monitors.

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    2. Out of all options, Viktor Kassai getting the final and Kuipers FO would be absolutely baffling... I think it's just an error by FIFA!!!

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    3. In case for Kassai, it could be good to recover some self esteem and confidence after the poor performance in CL. However, it would be totally unexpected.

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    4. This would be an "Expect the unexpected" appointment, at least nobody here predicted it.

      Regarding VAR: I would expect a VAR1 from the confederation of the referee (for not UEFA: Garcia, Shukralla, Charef).

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    5. Above all, this UEFAnisation in FIFA club competition refereeing would be really becoming questionable. Since Busacca is in office, most of the important games go to European referees. I know that there is a deep conviction that Europe allegedly has the best referees, but how do you prepare referees from Asia or Northern America for the really big games if they are not tested in the biggest preparatory games possible?

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    6. And the appointment, if real, would be absolutely questionable considering the fact that Kassai's run of form this season has been really poor... Would be an even more undeserved appointment than Walter Lopez Castellanos... I just hope this was an error by FIFA!!

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    7. Another momentary goof-up by FIFA in the scorecard was that the final was shown to be between Venezuela and Uruguay for a moment which has now been corrected... God knows what's happening... There are much late in announcing the names of the match officials as well!!

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  40. The designation for the final when it is announced?

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    1. Should've been announced by now actually... We are waiting for it, there may be information coming about at any moment!!! :)

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  41. César Ramos with third place final Uruguay - Italy.

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  42. Björn Kuipers for the final. Post will follow later!

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    1. Nice appointment for the Dutch crew and also for Orsato, Lount and Makkelie. Collina will be happy :)

      A Mexican for Uruguay-Italy reminds me on something... :) Very deserved for Ramos, nonetheless I am a bit surprised that Grisha and Lopez both stayed without a 3rd game.

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    2. I can't believe my eyes :O Has this really happened? :O And what should this indicate in terms of Kuipers' chances in Russia 2018?? :)

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    3. Good thing, but I think that all the referees of the competition could be European, it is a waste of time to invite from other continents, since they are trash to Busacca.

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    4. But then Kuipers simply deserves it so let's not take anything away from him or his team!!!

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    5. Might deserve it. But did you watch the whole season of Cesar Ramos or Ghead Grisha, just a few examples, to say that Kuipers deserved more than they? Because by the performance in the tournament did not think that Kuipers have made performances superior to some of them, at least equal. But since they are not Europeans, no one cares.

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    6. But Joaquin is simply right... "deserving" is no too relevant category for referee appointments, as there are apparently many officials who would have "deserved" it, such as Ramos or others.

      It also shows FIFA's view on Oceanian refereeing. They are good enough for France-Vietnam, good enough for a VAR spot, but not good enough for Confed Cup. And in the end, probably OFC's officials will handle 1 World Cup game in total next year.

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    7. Cesar Ramos was brilliant and he has got 4 games, the highest for any referee in this tournament!! And as far as Grisha is concerned he might be unlucky to miss out on a SF... A CAF official getting a final was always going to be difficult after Sikazwe got CWC final in December!!

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    8. Yes Niclas Norbert Hauata's treatment was really disappointing in this tournament... That's something which disappointed me the most during the course of the tournament!!! :(

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    9. And it's pretty clear to me that the Confederations​ Cup final won't go to a UEFA referee... Pitana, Geiger, Faghani or maybe even Gassama considering which 2 teams are playing!!

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    10. No, that referee will once again be from UEFA. It goes inline with Busacca's overall plan and agenda to "Euro-wash" international football. It's sad that no matter how well a referee from outside of Europe performs at a competition. He will never be viewed as equal much less better than his Euro colleagues.
      Reading through this bog it strikes me as to how very little most of you know about referees outside of Europe. It may cine as a surprise to most of you. But yes there is football being played outside of Europe. And there are very good referees officiating those matches.
      Kind of hard to say that Ramos is less deserving than Kuipers when you've never even seen Ramos officiate in his country's Liga MX or in the CONCACAF Champions League.
      But I am comforted by the fact that he was the best at this tournament and in the end he was overlooked I favor of a "big name".

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    11. Why are you always into comparisons??? Ramos is an upcoming star who has a very bright future and Kuipers is an experienced campaigner with a huge palmare now in the twilight of his career... Ramos has so many big tournaments ahead of him... There shouldn't be all these petty comparisons!! And also to point out UEFA refs like Kuipers and Çakir are "big names" in their own right because of their good across several reasons and that's how they've earned the respect among refereeing circles all around the world!!

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  43. I'm so happy today... A really nice appointment for Kuipers to cap off an excellent season... Yet another Final added in an Already glittering CV :) Congratulations to Kuipers and team!! 😎

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    1. Soham, a friendly remark: With all respect for you favouring Mr Kuipers and his team (which is a proof of your understanding of refereeing, as obviously the Dutch crew is a doing a very good job for years) - please be reminded that the comments here are no stage to inflationarily express one's personal sentiments on referees :) Thanks.

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    2. Yes, Niclas, I do understand that... Just got a little bit excited... I'll keep a check on this enthusiasm :)

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  44. I was not expecting this appointment. Ofcourse very nice for team Kuipers, but I was expecting Ramos. And why Orasato as VAR1 instead of Makkelie? Who of the two will speak with the referee and will do all the checkings?

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    1. I think it's the VAR1 who does all the communication work with the referee!!

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  45. Really? Isn't that strange Soham? So you have a VAR who is speaking the same language as the referee and who worked many times with him and then you put him in second place? The other way around would have been the same strange thing.

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    1. I can interprete this as Orsato being the most trusted VAR to FIFA currently... I don't have any other explanation really!! With Kuipers in the middle anyone would've predicted Makkelie as the VAR but surely Orsato must have done things right in this tournament to have edged past him :) That said names like Orsato, Zwayer, Makkelie I think are sure names as VAR for Russia 2018!!

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    2. Maybe Busacca and Collina simply favour an Italo referee. Or it was a small compensation for the good UEFA season that could have easily resulted in a bigger UEFA club competition game if he had not spoilt a game in Serie A. Or they are creating facts that might help Collina argue "I want Rocchi as a main referee, and Orsato as VAR in Russia!" in December. Or they just did not want to let Orsato go without one of the last 2 games, maybe because he did a very good job so far, and the final was the only option... many options.

      But without any doubt, the most trained VARs out of all present in Korea are actually Makkelie and Zwayer.

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    3. Yes and also because of the fact Makkelie come from the same national association and have worked so much with Kuipers would've made him the best choice for the VAR1 role... Even in KNVB Cup matches Kuipers and Makkelie have worked together as head referee-VAR duo so yes Orsato ahead of Makkelie was a surprise to me!!

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